AMD Radeon VII 16 GB

[unikin]

AMDs GPU department is in very bad situation right now. I was hoping we would be reading reviews of Navi by now. It looks like 7nm Navi isn't coming till 2H or even 3/4Q of 2019. They have missed opportunity to punish NVidia for overpriced RTX series. NVidia will be close to migrating Turing to 7 nm by the time high end Navi comes out. AMD will stay one gen behind no matter what they do now.

 

[B-Real]

And with the $700 price, don't forget you are getting $180 worth of games, while you get $60 with RTX 2070 and above. It also changes the relative price of the card.

 

[Vya Domus]

Also paging @Vya Domus your dream card is here. Time to show your support for the underdog!

What's with you on every RTG related discussion.

Does that Fury X still torment you ?

 

[londiste]

And with the $700 price, don't forget you are getting $180 worth of games, while you get $60 with RTX 2070 and above. It also changes the relative price of the card.

$120 worth of games with RTX 2080, by the same measure.
And no, included games do not change the relative value of the card.

 

[moproblems99]

What's with you on every RTG related discussion.

Isn't it obvious? You clearly can't bioreplicate red colored transistors. Anyone worth their proteins knows this.

 

[erocker]

How disappointing.

 

[xkm1948]

What's with you on every RTG related discussion.

Does that Fury X still torment you ?

Who decided I cannot comment on AMD GPU thread? Is TPU your site? Just time to support your champion that’s all. I hate seeing people who are just all talks but no action. You are certainly a man of action! So show the support! Snag a Radeon 7

 

[Imsochobo]

And with the $700 price, don't forget you are getting $180 worth of games, while you get $60 with RTX 2070 and above. It also changes the relative price of the card.

It's no better than the argument "v64 vs 1080" back when they came out.
but... I ended up with a V64 at way way lower price than 1080, if not there is no way in hell I'd buy such bad hardware!

Edit:
On another note, it tells us Vega isn't memory starved, no fanboy can complain about anything now cause it couldn't possibly have better a chance!
16gb.
1TB/sec bandwidth.
Great VRM
Cooler that's capable.

Still, cannot compete, I do wonder if they used 100W just in overvolting from factory again.. my vega performs better at 230W total than 300W and I just increased memory clock, undervolted and tuned states....
No need to go up to 1600 mhz when it's there only for microseconds!

 

[EarthDog]

Who decided I cannot comment on AMD GPU thread? Is TPU your site? Just time to support your champion that’s all. I hate seeing people who are just all talks but no action. You are certainly a man of action! So show the support! Snag a Radeon 7

LOL, Quoting > You...

...who are you responding to? LOL

 

[xkm1948]

LOL, Quoting > You...

...who are you responding to? LOL

Vya damous

 

[EarthDog]

Oh so the reality is Ignore list > me.

Most sites with ignore will either still quote the ignored user or show that there is ignored content within a post. hahaha!

 

[Scougar]

This was a stand in halo product whilst waiting for Navi. They needed something to show, and it is very clear they didn't want to do this given they got rid of a guy for trying to release it to start with... but then did so anyway. It is the pinnacle of what can be achieved on Vega right now, and no doubt further drivers will make it better. However... I don't expect the product life to be very long, or them to produce very many. This is AMD's P4, and they are trying to make it work until they can get another architecture out the door.

For the gentleman/lady who won't buy an upcoming Ryzen chip because of this graphics card release, and it being hot and power hungry.... you are about to do the same thing with your intel purchase. Hot and power hungry and performs worse than 'likely' competition. Think about it. Buy what makes sense IMO, not what you feel good. Why get less performance for more money, when the clearly better 3xxx series will be the smarter choice (unless AMD manage to completely hose things).

 

[Metroid]

Holy COW ! 90Mhs

https://cryptomining-blog.com/10628-amd-radeon-vii-gfx906-delivers-90-mhs-ethash-out-of-the-box/

That's a lot.guess it's Frontier edition for gaming but good for Mining.ofc Mining is crashing.

Mining has been dead since last year and if it comes back then best bet is 2020/2021.

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Quit the side discussions.
Stop trying to instigate drama with each other.

Thank You.

 

[Metroid]

$120 worth of games with RTX 2080, by the same measure.
And no, included games do not change the relative value of the card.

It only does if you are about to buy the games, I mean, if there was resident evil 2 included i would save $60. I'm not a fan of any of these games that are included but for those who like those games and are about to buy then nonetheless is a save.

For me those people should had an option to sell those included games they dont want, then the value would be there regardless. Steam gifts should be a choice, not sure if you can still sell steam gift anyway, valve changed it a lot.

 

[ppn]

Is 331 mm² only GPU's die size or the sum of the areas of GPU and HBM2 stacks? If it's only GPU's that's a big failure. 14 nm RX 580 is 232 mm² and Radeon 64 is 495 mm².

CUs occupy less than 200mm². memory and PCIe controllers had to be moved further away from the heat. The thing is that 2080 can and will be shrinked hopefully to 300 and clock 30% higher at under 200 watts. what else is left to do. So VEGA20 will have to match or beat 2080Ti to compete per die area, and it is closely beating 2070OC now. Per watt will be lost no matter what.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's what I've been thinking as well. For example Vega 56 is a monster of a card ONCE you undervolt it... Why AMD doesn't do this by themselves is beyond me. Of course not all chips are equal, and some will undervolt more, some less, but here has to be a sweet spot that could be hit on all cards. This is definitely not it, as clearly nothing was done from AMDs side at all. Again.

It was rushed like vega56/64, no finetuning.

As you said earlier, it is a stop gap card.

Cooler is nicer than the past blowers that both camps use.

 

[looks]

lets not forget that the people critical of this card in the comment section haven't even brought up the horrible noise this card produces yet. red team fans have a lot of fronts to defend.

 

[Scougar]

lets not forget that the people critical of this card in the comment section haven't even brought up the horrible noise this card produces yet. red team fans have a lot of fronts to defend.

The weird thing is, there are some totally different reports on this. Some say it's loud, others say it is very quiet. I think this will come out in the wash...

 

[GoldenX]

I don't understand this, RPM is not something that can be turned off or on.

You can use half float in OpenGL just fine :

https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/AMD/AMD_gpu_shader_half_float.txt

Rapid Packed Math is a new stage on the pipeline, with the idea to improve FP16 performance over just half float. My GCN1.0 can do half float just fine.

 

[EarthDog]

The weird thing is, there are some totally different reports on this. Some say it's loud, others say it is very quiet. I think this will come out in the wash...

Loud/Quiet is subjective. What is seemingly consistent across reviews is that it is 'louder' (by a few/several db) than reference 2080 and 2080Ti. AIC cards (at an additional cost) will likely mitigate that issue.

 

[Captain_Tom]

"At a better price, such as $599, the Radeon VII, despite its shortcomings, could have forced NVIDIA to trim pricing of the RTX 2080 and RTX 2070 "

The era of AMD bending over backwards to offer a wholly better product than Nvidia... only to have its fanboys buy the Nvidia cards anyways, is over. Period.

Enjoy the expensive future you paid for people. This card will simply be produced in lower numbers, and point to its other usecases for sales (Professional Work/Mining/High Memory dependent gaming). AMD no longer cares about winning at everything lol.

 

[W1zzard]

a few/several db

Part of the problem seems to be the non-linearity of the dBA scale. it's perceived at least 2x as loud

 

[JRMBelgium]

"At a better price, such as $599, the Radeon VII, despite its shortcomings, could have forced NVIDIA to trim pricing of the RTX 2080 and RTX 2070 "

The era of AMD bending over backwards to offer a wholly better product than Nvidia... only to have its fanboys buy the Nvidia cards anyways, is over. Period.

Enjoy the expensive future you paid for people. This card will simply be produced in lower numbers, and point to its other usecases for sales (Professional Work/Mining/High Memory dependent gaming). AMD no longer cares about winning at everything lol.

This is true. Many times AMD was faster, but gamers waited for Nvidia to lower prices and bought Nvidia anyways. Personally, I don't see why they would ever start a price/performance war like that again. Not unless they can start a war like that and still make lots of money, wich is clearly not the case with Radeon 7. Who knows, if Navi can replace all RX 5xx and Vega cards with a power consumption and production cost below the Nvidia counterparts, they could start a price war, if not, they should just match Nvidia's prices and fight Intel exclusively.

 

[FYFI13]

Oh, so they made a super power hungry GTX 1070. Where's that guy who says "wow"?