Toms hardware now getting payed by Nvidia?

[John Naylor]

I pretty much stopped looking at THG after they were purchased by Purch Group. It is noted that Purch Group was identified as a "product placement entity" on Wikipedia up until a few months after the acquisition. BTW, if you are / were a member ... and talk negative about them, you can expect to be banned.

When I looked, it had the 570. At its current price of $129, the 570 is the deal, couldn't say that a month ago tho. At the price they list $175 .. no way, the 1060 3 GB at $189-$199 is an easy choice. I can't belive the 580 prcing has dropped to under $180 ... that makes their $175 570 irrelevant... what did they write this article a month ago ? back then they were $80- $100 more.

 

[JRMBelgium]

BTW, if you are / were a member ... and talk negative about them, you can expect to be banned.

That's what I like about TPU. I have disagreed with moderators or admins on this forum before. But never did they abuse their "power" ( if I can call it that ) to shut me up. For me, it increased their credibility. A thrustworty website with quality articles has no need to block visitors that have another opinion about the subject.

At the price they list $175 .. no way, the 1060 3 GB at $189-$199 is an easy choice. I can't belive the 580 prcing has dropped to under $180 ... that makes their $175 570 irrelevant... what did they write this article a month ago ? back then they were $80- $100 more.

At the time I'm viewing it right now they are showcasing an Amazon RX 570 of 254$ while there are RX570 cards that cost 100$ less.
Not only that, with the RTX 1050, they also listed newegg prices, but with the RX 570 they don't.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814930010&Description=rx 570&cm_re=rx_570-_-14-930-010-_-Product

It costs 130$. You would be mentally challenged to spend 254$ on that card. I've found Vega 56 cards for that price in the last month.

 

[SoNic67]

Sadly, THG and Anand were historically between my first sites for PC related information. I had to give up of them after their transformation, mainly because of moderation that silence any "dissidence". More power to them.

Mainly that's how I started coming here more...

 

[las]

THG have been useless for years now

 

[laszlo]

no surprise at all if nvidia pay or maybe "own", even not directly, a specific review site ; maybe amd & intel also is in the same boat but we don't know...

i care less as when is about buying something i don't jump in without a proper research which may take even months...best bang/perf. according to my wallet is 1st ....

 

[notb]

no surprise at all if nvidia pay or maybe "own", even not directly, a specific review site ; maybe amd & intel also is in the same boat but we don't know...

Yes, all 3 companies pay for different forms of advertising.

For example: people don't notice how AdoredTV has often almost insider-quality AMD leaks, being a big supporter of the company at the same time. I find it funny. ;-)

i care less as when is about buying something i don't jump in without a proper research which may take even months...best bang/perf. according to my wallet is 1st ....

Which only means you spend a lot of time choosing parts and less time using them. It's called "transaction cost" in modern economy.
Well... if you like it that way (i.e. you have pleasure from the process of choosing...)

Is this why you still use an FX-8350? Before you decide whether a particular Ryzen is good enough, AMD releases a new one...? ;-)

 

[laszlo]

Yes, all 3 companies pay for different forms of advertising.

For example: people don't notice how AdoredTV has often almost insider-quality AMD leaks, being a big supporter of the company at the same time. I find it funny. ;-)

Which only means you spend a lot of time choosing parts and less time using them. It's called "transaction cost" in modern economy.

Well... if you like it that way (i.e. you have pleasure from the process of choosing...)

Is this why you still use an FX-8350? Before you decide whether a particular Ryzen is good enough, AMD releases a new one...? ;-)

i chose the parts considering available hardware i have to upgrade as long as possible without changing all main components

before the fx-8350 i had x4 ; the fx is a new purchase from 3 months ago when i bought the rx580 (instead of older HD6950) ; i knew i would have a bottleneck with new gpu and old cpu x4 but with fx no bottleneck; i ran all games in 1440p with consistent frames and saw no reason to change mobo+ram also as cpu was under 82$...new

in comparison to change mobo+ram+new ryzen that would cost me at least 500-600$; why to spend now that amount if i can solve all with 82$.....i prefer to wait til current used kit will break/won't be enough and than to buy a used kit(newer generation) for 200-300$; i prefer to buy from people who upgrade and sell away a 2-3 years old used kit which is enough for me another 3 years at least...

even if i would be so rich to afford changing on yearly base all i wouldn't ; investing in pc is among the worse ones...

 

[las]

i chose the parts considering available hardware i have to upgrade as long as possible without changing all main components

before the fx-8350 i had x4 ; the fx is a new purchase from 3 months ago when i bought the rx580 (instead of older HD6950) ; i knew i would have a bottleneck with new gpu and old cpu x4 but with fx no bottleneck; i ran all games in 1440p with consistent frames and saw no reason to change mobo+ram also as cpu was under 82$...new

in comparison to change mobo+ram+new ryzen that would cost me at least 500-600$; why to spend now that amount if i can solve all with 82$.....i prefer to wait til current used kit will break/won't be enough and than to buy a used kit(newer generation) for 200-300$; i prefer to buy from people who upgrade and sell away a 2-3 years old used kit which is enough for me another 3 years at least...

even if i would be so rich to afford changing on yearly base all i wouldn't ; investing in pc is among the worse ones...

Yes you would. If PCs and hardware interrests you and money is not a problem, you would not care. This is why it's nice to have money. Less worries, more fun.

 

[laszlo]

Yes you would. If PCs and hardware interrests you and money is not a problem, you would not care. This is why it's nice to have money. Less worries, more fun.

i disagree; why would i buy latest hardware every year? for e-peen? sorry but i kinda grow-up from this thinking
i still have the fun , no worries, all with with less expenses...

 

[las]

i disagree; why would i buy latest hardware every year? for e-peen? sorry but i kinda grow-up from this thinking
i still have the fun , no worries, all with with less expenses...

You obviously worry about money.

E-peen? Nah, for performance. You are using a FX CPU for gods sake.

Why do you think rich people blows money on cars etc? They can afford it. It does not matter to them.

 

[laszlo]

You obviously worry about money.

E-peen? Nah, for performance. You are using a FX CPU for gods sake.

Why do you think rich people blows money on cars etc? They can afford it. It does not matter to them.

i could afford to buy new kit so money is not a concern as you state it but why?

performance? is subjective as i consider current one is enough for me; i saw an increase from 4 cores to 8 and current games fps's 60-100 are quite decent (i have 62 fps in latest far cry in-game test for ex. and gameplay is smooth) ; i don't have headaches playing with these frames so why invest now to have more fps? who cares how many fps i have ? nobody but me...

reach people can do whatever they want ; some of them don't know how to show-up their wealth so they're buying stuff even they don't need it or ever use it...

 

[las]

i could afford to buy new kit so money is not a concern as you state it but why?

performance? is subjective as i consider current one is enough for me; i saw an increase from 4 cores to 8 and current games fps's 60-100 are quite decent (i have 62 fps in latest far cry in-game test for ex. and gameplay is smooth) ; i don't have headaches playing with these frames so why invest now to have more fps? who cares how many fps i have ? nobody but me...

reach people can do whatever they want ; some of them don't know how to show-up their wealth so they're buying stuff even they don't need it or ever use it...

Not sure why you buy a 144 Hz screen to play at 62 fps average

 

[laszlo]

Not sure why you buy a 144 Hz screen to play at 62 fps average

see i was thinking further...one reason is freesync which works now over 40 fps and other to have it when i'll upgrade the rest...when i'll have need/have more fps...

i didn't want to buy it now but got a super deal 350$ instead of 650$... it was reduced because had soft vers.01 which had nasty bugs(freesync didn't worked when implemented pixel acceleration was enabled) ....guess what i was sure this was the reason of the low price... and knew that producer service (benq) will update the soft , which was done in one week after the purchase,without any question or cost, so is working now like a charm....

 

[notb]

i chose the parts considering available hardware i have to upgrade as long as possible without changing all main components

This I don't neglect. But you said you take your time choosing parts, looking for deals etc.
So when you replace a GPU, how long it takes you to gather all the info and make a decision? I mean all the tasks needed: reading reviews, asking around forums, browsing online stores?
Any guess? It doesn't have to be precise.

even if i would be so rich to afford changing on yearly base all i wouldn't ; investing in pc is among the worse ones...

Unless you're doing work on your PC, spending money on it is not "investing", because it doesn't return a profit. It's just spending.

 

[las]

see i was thinking further...one reason is freesync which works now over 40 fps and other to have it when i'll upgrade the rest...when i'll have need/have more fps...

i didn't want to buy it now but got a super deal 350$ instead of 650$... it was reduced because had soft vers.01 which had nasty bugs(freesync didn't worked when implemented pixel acceleration was enabled) ....guess what i was sure this was the reason of the low price... and knew that producer service (benq) will update the soft , which was done in one week after the purchase,without any question or cost, so is working now like a charm....

It's not like 40-60 fps with Freesync is the same as 100+ fps, your CPU is gimping the experience hard.
You first get the full benefit from a high refresh rate monitor at aprox. 100+ fps/Hz.

 

[laszlo]

This I don't neglect. But you said you take your time choosing parts, looking for deals etc.
So when you replace a GPU, how long it takes you to gather all the info and make a decision? I mean all the tasks needed: reading reviews, asking around forums, browsing online stores?
Any guess? It doesn't have to be precise.

Unless you're doing work on your PC, spending money on it is not "investing", because it doesn't return a profit. It's just spending.

for example when i decided to buy rx580 was too late as after launch the prices had gone wild due the crypto hysteria...than i lost two months just ... but in the end found end of last year with affordable price (new ;used was out of question as market is filled with crypto cards at half price but aged you know why..) is the only part which i prefer new as mobo+cpu i think are not aging so fast than a gpu

I'm not working on the pc at all so it doesn't return anything only consuming ....

 

[notb]

for example when i decided to buy rx580 was too late as after launch the prices had gone wild due the crypto hysteria...than i lost two months just ... but in the end found end of last year with affordable price (new ;used was out of question as market is filled with crypto cards at half price but aged you know why..) is the only part which i prefer new as mobo+cpu i think are not aging so fast than a gpu

Not what I meant. I meant hours you spend doing this. The transaction cost.

Lets say you're already decided on the RX580 8GB and we'll ignore all the review/forum browsing that convinced you to make this huge mistake. ;-)
I don't know where you live, so I'd give an example of Poland (a moderately wealthy country globally). A fairly safe variant of RX580 8GB (MSI Armor) costs 930 PLN (245 USD) + 10 PLN delivery. This is a price in a major, well-known store.

So yes, I could spend a Saturday reading opinions/reviews of XFX or Gigabyte models, I could look for a better deal and so on. After all this, I may have been able to find a card that's almost as good for e.g. 850 PLN.
So how much have I saved? Well, nothing. Because I could have worked on that day for the minimal wage (sorting garbage, painting houses) and earn 12 PLN/h net.
And keep in mind that minimal wage in places like UK, Germany or France is few times higher. So if you're German, a weekend of sorting garbage gives you that RX580 you want so much.

Some people on this forum can't understand why people buy Intel over AMD, OEM over custom built or Apple over anything.
Well, that's simple. During your life you (and most people here) spend many hours on this "PC enthusiast" thingy. They read reviews, they write on forums, they track news. How much time does it consume? 1h a day on average? 2h?
Most people on Earth don't have this "cost", so they can afford more.
And honestly... 1h a day it's a lot. Look at the minimal wage in my country. That's almost $1000 a year. That's more than I spend on my PCs.

I'm not working on the pc at all so it doesn't return anything only consuming ....

So unless you're expecting your FX to gain value as a museum item, there's no "investing" happening. Why not use the word "spend" or "waste"? Why do people like to make their gaming look more serious by "investing" in it? Do you also "invest" in your other hobbies? :-D

 

[dirtyferret]

So how much have I saved? Well, nothing. Because I could have worked on that day for the minimal wage (sorting garbage, painting houses) and earn 12 PLN/h net.

That's an extremely niche example with you needing to already have the job lined up. In reality, if I spend and hour reading web review articles during my lunch at work or in bed before I go to sleep, I'm not losing out on lost income. I'm just not doing something else of a similar nature. On Sundays, If I have four free hours to myself (I wish) so I watch a football game. If no game is on I'm not going to go collect cans out of the trash cans in the park so I can make some money, I will play video games or do some laundry.

 

[notb]

That's an extremely niche example with you needing to already have the job lined up.

Not at all. I precisely mentioned a low-qualification job for minimal wage - something you can get pretty quickly and in very limited hours weekly (so it doesn't collide with your normal job).

In reality, if spend and hour reading web review articles during my lunch at work or in bed before I go to sleep, I'm not losing out on lost income.

You do it because you like it. And you know a lot about current situation, so it's all much easier.
Think about a person who doesn't know much about PCs. Or does know, but is only interested once every 3-4 years when the PC needs replacing.
It'll take them longer.
And if they're not interested? This will be just wasted time, that they could have spent reading a book (or relaxing other way) or learn something useful. So this is also a cost, just slightly harder to quantify.
Instead of spending 1h a day reading about PCs (which is quite useless), you could spend 1h a day learning a language, so you'll reach intermediate level in 2-3 years. And that's something that is both useful and can increase your salary in the future.

 

[dirtyferret]

Not at all. I precisely mentioned a low-qualification job for minimal wage - something you can get pretty quickly and in very limited hours weekly (so it doesn't collide with your normal job).

Still fails to hold up since his issue was not finance but rather personal "is subjective as i consider current one is enough for me "

I can afford a RTX 2080, I'm just not spending $1,300 on a GPU because I presonally find the price outragios for my needs. Big difference.

You do it because you like it. And you know a lot about current situation, so it's all much easier.
Think about a person who doesn't know much about PCs. Or does know, but is only interested once every 3-4 years when the PC needs replacing.
It'll take them longer.
And if they're not interested? This will be just wasted time, that they could have spent reading a book (or relaxing other way) or learn something useful. So this is also a cost, just slightly harder to quantify.
Instead of spending 1h a day reading about PCs (which is quite useless), you could spend 1h a day learning a language, so you'll reach intermediate level in 2-3 years. And that's something that is both useful and can increase your salary in the future.

Bad example again as no one learns a language in one day and there are very few one day skill courses that will increase your salary. You also talk as it's zero sum situation, if you do one you can't do the other. You can research on Saturday and do your one day life changing course on Sunday.

I think you simply created niche examples and are now digging a deeper hole trying to justify them. (and doing so poorly).

 

[JRMBelgium]

Not what I meant. I meant hours you spend doing this. The transaction cost.

Lets say you're already decided on the RX580 8GB and we'll ignore all the review/forum browsing that convinced you to make this huge mistake. ;-)
I don't know where you live, so I'd give an example of Poland (a moderately wealthy country globally). A fairly safe variant of RX580 8GB (MSI Armor) costs 930 PLN (245 USD) + 10 PLN delivery. This is a price in a major, well-known store.

So yes, I could spend a Saturday reading opinions/reviews of XFX or Gigabyte models, I could look for a better deal and so on. After all this, I may have been able to find a card that's almost as good for e.g. 850 PLN.
So how much have I saved? Well, nothing. Because I could have worked on that day for the minimal wage (sorting garbage, painting houses) and earn 12 PLN/h net.
And keep in mind that minimal wage in places like UK, Germany or France is few times higher. So if you're German, a weekend of sorting garbage gives you that RX580 you want so much.

Some people on this forum can't understand why people buy Intel over AMD, OEM over custom built or Apple over anything.
Well, that's simple. During your life you (and most people here) spend many hours on this "PC enthusiast" thingy. They read reviews, they write on forums, they track news. How much time does it consume? 1h a day on average? 2h?
Most people on Earth don't have this "cost", so they can afford more.
And honestly... 1h a day it's a lot. Look at the minimal wage in my country. That's almost $1000 a year. That's more than I spend on my PCs.


So unless you're expecting your FX to gain value as a museum item, there's no "investing" happening. Why not use the word "spend" or "waste"? Why do people like to make their gaming look more serious by "investing" in it? Do you also "invest" in your other hobbies? :-D

You talk as if doing research in your spare time can be concidered as work. If you hate doing research yes, but if you like it just as much as watching tv, reading the newspaper or listening to music, it's just another freetime activity as any other. I can read a review while taking a sh*t. How does this cost me money. I am currently writing this while waiting on my train home from work. How is it costing me money? The more people do research, the more people do quality purchases, the more good companies grow and bad companies go bankrupt.

People that buy a gtx 1050 over an rx 570, basicly trowing away so much performance are just rewarding Nvidia for what reason exactly? You should encourage consumer research, not bash it...

 

[dirtyferret]

You talk as if doing research in your spare time can be concidered as work. If you hate doing research yes, but if you like it just as much as watching tv, reading the newspaper or listening to music, it's just another freetime activity as any other. I can read a review while taking a sh*t. How does this cost me money. I am currently writing this while waiting on my train home from work. How is it costing me money? The more people do research, the more people do quality purchases, the more good companies grow and bad companies go bankrupt.

People that buy a gtx 1050 over an rx 570, basicly trowing away so much performance are just rewarding Nvidia for what reason exactly? You should encourage consumer research, not bash it...

You could be pickpocketing other commuters while you wait for the train. Quick get to work, you are losing thousands of dollars typing!

 

[JRMBelgium]

You could be pickpocketing other commuters while you wait for the train. Quick get to work, you are losing thousands of dollars typing!

Haha

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Not what I meant. I meant hours you spend doing this. The transaction cost.

Lets say you're already decided on the RX580 8GB and we'll ignore all the review/forum browsing that convinced you to make this huge mistake. ;-)
I don't know where you live, so I'd give an example of Poland (a moderately wealthy country globally). A fairly safe variant of RX580 8GB (MSI Armor) costs 930 PLN (245 USD) + 10 PLN delivery. This is a price in a major, well-known store.

So yes, I could spend a Saturday reading opinions/reviews of XFX or Gigabyte models, I could look for a better deal and so on. After all this, I may have been able to find a card that's almost as good for e.g. 850 PLN.
So how much have I saved? Well, nothing. Because I could have worked on that day for the minimal wage (sorting garbage, painting houses) and earn 12 PLN/h net.
And keep in mind that minimal wage in places like UK, Germany or France is few times higher. So if you're German, a weekend of sorting garbage gives you that RX580 you want so much.

Some people on this forum can't understand why people buy Intel over AMD, OEM over custom built or Apple over anything.
Well, that's simple. During your life you (and most people here) spend many hours on this "PC enthusiast" thingy. They read reviews, they write on forums, they track news. How much time does it consume? 1h a day on average? 2h?
Most people on Earth don't have this "cost", so they can afford more.
And honestly... 1h a day it's a lot. Look at the minimal wage in my country. That's almost $1000 a year. That's more than I spend on my PCs.


So unless you're expecting your FX to gain value as a museum item, there's no "investing" happening. Why not use the word "spend" or "waste"? Why do people like to make their gaming look more serious by "investing" in it? Do you also "invest" in your other hobbies? :-D

You invest more time writing slabs of text then anyone here , usually about some way in which someone else is not as smart as you perceive yourself to be , yet often off topic , and it's him who's wasting time and money.

You

Now on topic.

Toms is was and has been an Nvidia shell Pr puppet for a while, Ngreedias ,shill and review puppet spending plus forum shill puppet fund must be massive.

 

[notb]

You invest more time writing slabs of text then anyone here , usually about some way in which someone else is not as smart as you perceive yourself to be , yet often off topic , and it's him who's wasting time and money.

I just write fast. And with rare mistakes, despite English being a second language.

You're giving us by far the sloppiest posts on this forum (among the worst I see anywhere). Maybe you should consider spending a bit more time writing? And maybe read once afterwards? Just in case...

Toms is was and has been an Nvidia shell Pr puppet for a while, Ngreedias ,shill and review puppet spending plus forum shill puppet fund must be massive.

If only there was a similar place sponsored by AMD, where you could finally find some friends... ;-)