About to go all out on a "24TB ssd" hence 3x seagate archive 8TB SMR hdd drives in raid 0

[kapqa]

Short digression here, i have NVME 500 GB and here is a benchmark (running Windows 7).
But when used the caching software, it really becomes a lot quicker, atleast in benchmark.
I have a second m.2 slot and would like to Raid0 2 nvme with windows 7, but it seems that the Raid Features from AMD (running a X470) are only supported with Windows 10.

 

[er557]

would you make a screenshot of your primo cache settings, incl. level 1 and level 2, also, how large is your cache?
I feel your results are a bit exagerated, although mine are slower- they might represent real world data a bit better?
Also, the version of primo cache might be at play, or the OS type- win 7 vs. win 10, and of course the nvme driver. Mind you, I also have advanced write cache in device manager enabled as well

 

[kapqa]

4 to 6 gb as i have only 16gb RAM available, but now the demo is over. I am still thinking if activating the software or not. It seems quite fast, but don't know enough of the risks involved.

EDIT: What do you mean with "Advanced Write Cache" in Device Manager? Is this a feature of Windows 10? I have already tried to upgrade Windows 10 several times but always reverted back to Windows 7 as it felt more "sober" to me. The Benchmarks with Windows 10 (geekbenche 4) are normally quite substantially higher, but browsing seems alot quicker here on Windows 7 (but maybe i am just illuding myself

 

[er557]

You might try a torrent for that...


funny tidbit: this is the benchmark with caching on, of a regular sata ssd 500gb, very impressive, however this is a separate cache task than the OS drive:

 

[phill]

In ways this thread has been pretty decent and informative, I just wanted to say a thank you to anyone that's took time to run some tests on their hardware to show others what they are getting

At least I know if I felt like it, I could raid some newer drives and get fairly decent results with them for my Steam library.. 2Tb is a right pain of a library... I'm seriously tempted to do something else but I digress

Side point, I thought HD Tach did come with a write test as well or was that for registered versions only??

I do, which is why I invest in 100GB MDisc Bluray and 8TB HDD's myself. And that isn't mentioning my audio and video collection which takes up an equal amount of space. Your needs and usage model does not apply to everyone and just because you don't see the need for something doesn't mean that the something in question is not needed by others for their own purposes and usage scenario.

And for the record, "spinning rust" still accounts for more than 60% of all storage drives sold in the world last quarter. So clearly much of the world still see's need for that technology. Inexpensive high capacity storage to suppliment my boot drive? Yes please!

I can't find 100Gb discs very easily but instead use a few 25Gb or 50Gb discs instead I think it's a little cheaper that way

 

[lexluthermiester]

I can't find 100Gb discs very easily but instead use a few 25Gb or 50Gb discs instead I think it's a little cheaper that way

True, and I'm not denying they're pricey. They only get used for projects that need more than 50GB of data space on a single disc, which isn't very often. Otherwise, like you I use 25's and 50's.

 

[er557]

I snagged these packs from japan, a pack of five 128GB(!) discs for 50$, you do need a compatible pioneer drive or newer firmware installed to support them though, that's bd-xl or higher

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edit: this guy seems to have made only one sell, better go to someone more reputable like so:

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[lexluthermiester]

I snagged these packs from japan, a pack of five 128GB(!) discs for 50$, you do need a compatible pioneer drive or newer firmware installed to support them though, that's bd-xl or higher

5pack Sony Bd-r Printable HD Blu-ray 4x Blank Disc Media BDR 128gb Japan for sale online | eBay

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I usually get these or something similar;

M DISC VERBATIM BDXL 100GB 4X Branded Logo 10 pk Disc - Jewel Case | eBay

Type: BDXL. Compatible with BDXL optical drives. 100GB storage capacity -allowing you to use fewer discs while archiving your files. Up to 4X recording speed. Picture of Spindle Cake Box is just for reference.

www.ebay.com

 

[phill]

Wow they are expensive!! Buy a USB pen drive, might save you a load of cash but get an encrypted model lol Could just buy hard drives for that price for the discs as well lol

 

[er557]

Yeah but he gets them for long term archiving, these are M DISCs, what are known to last 1000 years, made of specific materials. That's why they're pricy. I dont invest so much as i trust the blue ray xl technology enough and intend to save them in a comfortable environment.
What's more, even hard drives and thumb drives are not forever.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Wow they are expensive!!

Um true, but there is a reason I use them...

Yeah but he gets them for long term archiving, these are M DISCs, what are known to last 1000 years, made of specific materials. That's why they're pricey.

^This. I can afford them and what I'm backing up needs dependable long term viability. Most stuff I backup goes on 25GB or 50GB standard discs record at the lowest possible speed for a rock solid burn.

 

[phill]

Yeah but he gets them for long term archiving, these are M DISCs, what are known to last 1000 years, made of specific materials. That's why they're pricy. I dont invest so much as i trust the blue ray xl technology enough and intend to save them in a comfortable environment.
What's more, even hard drives and thumb drives are not forever.

Um true, but there is a reason I use them...
^This. I can afford them and what I'm backing up needs dependable long term viability. Most stuff I backup goes on 25GB or 50GB standard discs record at the lowest possible speed for a rock solid burn.

I can understand why you use them and see that they have their advantages but whatever data you have on the discs, it must be very important to be on that as a backup medium...

With a 100GB+ to burn, I take it @lexluthermiester, it takes a few hours to burn a disc?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I can understand why you use them and see that they have their advantages but whatever data you have on the discs, it must be very important to be on that as a backup medium...

Indeed. Business documents and records, family photo's and video's for examples.

With a 100GB+ to burn, I take it @lexluthermiester, it takes a few hours to burn a disc?

Depending on the speed selected, 50 to 70 minutes.

 

[er557]

I feel with today's burners, that have multiple protections, it is ok to burn at recommended speed(x4, x8), especially if it's M DISC, having by this cut the burning time by four or six times over

 

[EarthDog]

You've got a dual socket 36c/72t system... and you are worried about CPU overhead?

 

[er557]

where did i say that???

 

[EarthDog]

Post 24.

However, I was concerned regarding cpu overhead,

 

[er557]

The 16tb 2x drive array seems to run trouble free. However, I was concerned regarding cpu overhead, wondering whether it matters if I use intel RST suite/bios/ for the raid setup, or as current config, via windows disk management. Will using the bios mean hardware raid, also what is more fault tolerant towards the drives?

I know I have 72 threads, I was still asking whether windows disk management is a software raid and intel board RST is hardware, it's still a legitimate question. You know, despite 72 threads, my AIO still roars from time to time, temps go up and I have no idea what the hell is taxing it so much sometimes.

 

[EarthDog]

You asked where you said it, like you never did. Just pointing it out since you asked!

I know I have 72 threads, I was still asking whether windows disk management is a software raid and intel board RST is hardware, it's still a legitimate question. You know, despite 72 threads, my AIO still roars from time to time, temps go up and I have no idea what the hell is taxing it so much sometimes.

Hardware RAID is through an add in card. Anything through your motherboard and not a card on the motherboard is software RAID.

Regardless of the amount of threads available temperatures will go up on use... hence why the AIO 'roars'.

 

[Nater]

We often stay after hours in the office and play games together. Since our main app is CAD, every box is a great gaming box (and no ... 2D / 3D CAD does not benefit from workstation cards, they are actually slower). Every box has an SSD + SSHD with a backup OS on the SSHD also. You might see a difference if you sit there with a stopwatch but having done blind tests when we swith the boot drive from SSD to SSHD without telling anyone, nobody notices.

I literally just made an account to comment on something and backed out, because I didn't want to make someone feel stupid. I couldn't leave this one alone.

2D/3D CAD does not benefit from workstation cards? What CAD software are you using?

 

[er557]

First of all, welcome to TPU, but starting with your first ever post with a critique to a 2000 post user, and as such anyone can make subjective mistakes, as it is about card performance, You'd be better off with a more subtle approach...

edit: nevermind, you edited your post, so all is good

 

[Nater]

That was subtle for me. Sorry to go off topic. Thread caught my eye being what the OP was up to...I've got some older spinners piling up, be nice to RAID them up in an extra box, and then he started talking SSD cache and this Primo...I'm at work atm, but I've got a lot of research to do now to see if what's he's up to would be worth it for me.

 

[er557]

yeah , i will see if what he's up to is worth it to me either,.... wait- i'm the OP

 

[kapqa]

would you make a screenshot of your primo cache settings, incl. level 1 and level 2, also, how large is your cache?
I feel your results are a bit exagerated, although mine are slower- they might represent real world data a bit better?
Also, the version of primo cache might be at play, or the OS type- win 7 vs. win 10, and of course the nvme driver. Mind you, I also have advanced write cache in device manager enabled as well

i used this primo cache software only on demo, so the above screenshots are probably 1nvme + 1tb hdd togethter with 4-6gb ram + defer write (the third screenshot).
dont remember any other settings , besides the ticking of deferwrite and setting the proper amount of ram cache.

the below screenshot is with 1 nvme and primo cache around 6gb ram and defer write on windows 7
the sata ssd keeps up very well.