Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

Not 50%, but you can squeeze a 30% with a bit of luck out of that 1200. It's not hard to do 4GHz.

Installed the "lite" UEFI on my board, I love it, feels like a proper, old BIOS, fast and debloated.
Now I don't want the old interface.

not all of them will do 4ghz, my 1400 would seem stable at 3.9 but i had to drop to 3.7 to avoid random crashes and freezes that would only happen under certain heavy loads (VR games, for me)

 

[biffzinker]

not all of them will do 4ghz, my 1400 would seem stable at 3.9 but i had to drop to 3.7 to avoid random crashes and freezes that would only happen under certain heavy loads (VR games, for me)

The Ryzen 3 1200 I still have only overclocked to 3.7 GHz.

 

[GamerGuy]

Hoping to finally join the Zen club in August when I get back home, right now, I have ordered 4x8GB of DDR4 3200 c16 RAM, and sourcing a 3900X. Hope to snag one soon, I will know by Monday.....

 

[Mussels]

looking at boards for people to upgrade for ryzen 3000 is a nightmare, with all these problems due to too small BIOS chips...

... and all the cheaper x570 just look like shit. i swear its deliberate, i dont like the looks of any of them.

 

[biffzinker]

with all these problems due to too small BIOS chips...

The throwback GUI MSI used I prefer over the flashy interface so the constraints of to small BIOS worked in my favor.

Screenshots of the stripped down Click BIOS interface.

BIOS ROM Size Limitations Almost Derail AMD's Zen2 Backwards Compatibility Promise

I would assume so evilhf. It was a beta bios, which was removed, right? A buddy of mine saw that as well for a B350 board from MSI. Just checked the MSI website, the latest bios for this board is from January 23rd of 2019...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Mussels]

i had a buyer for my x370 board and ryzen 1400, tempted to just tell him to buy a b350 and upgrade only the CPU, until the boards improve
while there are $250Au boards out, they just look terrible to me and i dont need PCI-E 4 or faster M.2 slots yet

(i'm selling the 1400, and moving my 2700x to the ITX rig)

 

[Xzibit]

looking at boards for people to upgrade for ryzen 3000 is a nightmare, with all these problems due to too small BIOS chips...

... and all the cheaper x570 just look like shit. i swear its deliberate, i dont like the looks of any of them.

If small bioses is a issue avoid X570 Gigabytes. They all have 128/16 bioses. They are the only X570 maker that stuck to small bios.

Sell them a PC case with solid panels. Should be looking at the screen not the inside of the PC anyways

 

[tabascosauz]

The throwback GUI MSI used I prefer over the flashy interface so the constraints of to small BIOS worked in my favor.

Yeah, I might also be in the minority here; I prefer stuff that's laid out into the classic tabbed lists where I can easily find it. It's BIOS, I couldn't care less if they tried to make it look like Windows. I'm here to get stuff done and get out. I've gotten so used to the H97N-WIFI's old BIOS that I was very grateful that Gigabyte still kept the design as default view on the B350I Aorus that I built for a friend last month.

That said, it might be early, but I'm not liking the prices and availability I'm seeing for R7 3700X and X570 ITX here in Canada. $459 for the CPU and $289 for the X570 Aorus, the only X570 ITX board right now whereas there should be Asus and ASRock ones too.

Does anyone know if the X570 consumption is going to be a problem? I don't like the looks of the tiny fan on the Aorus, but if that means it won't burn up the M.2 sitting on top of it like the fan-less Strix, then I might just have to go for it......1TB TLC NVMe M.2s aren't cheap...

I'm definitely making the switch though; it's been a hell of an entertaining ride watching Intel's slide into Pentium hell again, but they'll be smoking something crazy if they think rumors for 10-core 14+++ is going to keep peoples' money with Intel.

 

[Mussels]

If small bioses is a issue avoid X570 Gigabytes. They all have 128/16 bioses

Sell them a PC case with solid panels. Should be looking at the screen not the inside of the PC anyways

It'll be me with the lack of RGB, and i have a very bling PC that doubles as advertising since i sell/repair/upgrade PC's as a profitable hobby

 

[Athlonite]

i had a buyer for my x370 board and ryzen 1400, tempted to just tell him to buy a b350 and upgrade only the CPU, until the boards improve
while there are $250Au boards out, they just look terrible to me and i dont need PCI-E 4 or faster M.2 slots yet

(i'm selling the 1400, and moving my 2700x to the ITX rig)

If PCIe 4.0 and faster M.2 isn't a needed thing then why not just go for a nice X470 mobo instead

 

[GoldenX]

Looks like I got a good one, the only thing limiting me to keep the 4GHzs is the size of the stock heatsink.

The throwback GUI MSI used I prefer over the flashy interface so the constraints of to small BIOS worked in my favor.

Screenshots of the stripped down Click BIOS interface.

BIOS ROM Size Limitations Almost Derail AMD's Zen2 Backwards Compatibility Promise

I would assume so evilhf. It was a beta bios, which was removed, right? A buddy of mine saw that as well for a B350 board from MSI. Just checked the MSI website, the latest bios for this board is from January 23rd of 2019...

www.techpowerup.com

To add more fuel to the fire, I had problems suspending with any BIOS that wasn't the original 1.0 one thanks in part for my old GPU, this "lite" version fixed that.

 

[GoldenX]

Managed 3333MHz CL16 with 1usmus DRAM Calculator, amazing software.
3400 booted but crashed, oh well.

 

[Mussels]

I'm tempted to grab a 3600 to sidegrade from my 2700x, moving the 2700x to the VR system and selling the 1400

this makes logical sense for a bunch of reasons (lower wattage, better game perf, VR system can do video encodes fine for me)... but i dont actually need faster performance on either system :/

 

[biffzinker]

I'm tempted to grab a 3600 to sidegrade from my 2700x

Do it! At least you won't be sorry you did. I'm sure not feeling any remorse for what amounts to a upgrade/sidegrade from the 2600X.

Although:

One other thing, don't forget to uninstall reboot then reinstall the AMD chipset drivers for the AMD power plan profiles.

 

[Mussels]

part of me says to at least maintain the core count for a 3700x, but they're pricey af right now

Kinda want the wraith prism as well, for the VR system... it'd look pretty

 

[Wavetrex]

Oh, I forgot about this thread









<--- Feeling relaxed in the 3rd gen garden

 

[biffzinker]

part of me says to at least maintain the core count for a 3700x, but they're pricey af right now

Kinda want the wraith prism as well, for the VR system... it'd look pretty

Not sure if it's worth it at those prices even though your in Australia. You and @Athlonite sure have it rough down their.

 

[GamerGuy]

Looking forward to getting back home next week, I plan to go to the local tech mall for:
1. An X570 mobo (Aorus Master?)
2. 360mm AIO wtaer cooler for the CPU (Corsair or Thermaltake, or even ID-cooling)
3. Case (probably the Cooler Master Mastercase H500M)

 

[biffzinker]

Finally hitting some of that sweet 4.4 GHz PBO.

 

[Mussels]

i dont think i have PBO on my x370, am i gunna get lower boost clocks compared to higher gen boards?

 

[biffzinker]

i dont think i have PBO on my x370, am i gunna get lower boost clocks compared to higher gen boards?

XFR should still allow for boosting to 4.2 GHz. Originally this board didn't have PBO it only later showed up during Zen+ as a firmware update. Seems it's included in AGESA microcode now. I'm guessing this is PBO 2?

It's gotta somewhere in the BIOS for your board.

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[Mussels]

XFR should still allow for boosting to 4.2 GHz. Originally this board didn't have PBO it only later showed up during Zen+ as a firmware update. Seems it's included in AGESA microcode now. I'm guessing this is PBO 2?

maybe its there and just has no options for it, or its invisible on my zen+, i was mostly wondering if i'll take a G/Mhz hit for running zen2 on x370

 

[biffzinker]

maybe its there and just has no options for it, or its invisible on my zen+, i was mostly wondering if i'll take a G/Mhz hit for running zen2 on x370

PBO goes above XFR so 4.2 GHz would be it for you. My 2600X when it didn't have PBO in the BIOS still boosted to 4,250 MHz with XFR.

XFR is the advertised boost of 4.2 GHz you see next to the base clock speed of 3.6 GHz for the Ryzen 5 3600. Precision Boost Overdrive is overclocking above the advertised boost.

 

[HTC]

PBO goes above XFR so 4.2 GHz would be it for you. My 2600X when it didn't have PBO in the BIOS still boosted to 4,250 MHz with XFR.

XFR is the advertised boost of 4.2 GHz you see next to the base clock speed of 3.6 GHz for the Ryzen 5 3600. Precision Boost Overdrive is overclocking above the advertised boost.

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't it supposed to have PBO in B450 / X470 or newer only? You were replying to @Mussels and he was referring to a X370.

PBO shouldn't be available with B350 / X370 boards: you'd need B450 / X470 or newer for that: i'm in this situation myself, with my 2600X paired with my X370 Taichi.

What you get is XFR 2, but not PBO.

 

[biffzinker]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't it supposed to have PBO in B450 / X470 or newer only? You were replying to @Mussels and he was referring to a X370.

Yes but some of the mobo manufacturers for the B350/X370 updated their firmware with support for PBO. There's some posts here in this thread from me, and @GoldenX when it started showing up on our two MSI B350 mobo.

PBO shouldn't be available with B350 / X370 boards: you'd need B450 / X470 or newer for that

I think AMD left it up to the mobo manufacturers to add in support if they wanted.