Ryzen 3950X Build Help

[erek]

Someone over here is mentioning the B-die :

Ryzen 3950X Build Help

I'm going to do a new build around the 3950X on the X570 Platform. What motherboards do you recommend? So far i'm looking at the ASUS X570 Crosshair VIII Hero. I also need RAM recommendations. So far i've already got the following components: RTX 2080 Ti FE Inland 1TB NVMe M.2...

hardforum.com

In roughly ascending order of B-die bin quality but also accounting for ~3600 being a great speed to optimize timings and keep 1:1 ratio on Zen2:
3200C14-14-14 8GB
3600C16-16-16 8GB
3200C14-14-14 16GB
3600C15-15-15 8GB

Non B-die will have inferior timings (this is an objective fact despite people wanting other ram IC to be "as good", they are not) but will be cheaper. You don't seem to be doing a budget build though

also E-die mentioned

r/Amd -How does micron E-die fare for memory overclocking?

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes, Samsung B-die has been good with Ryzen 1000 and 2000, but it seems like people are having a bit more hit and miss luck with it, so far, on Ryzen 3000.
I got the Hynix CJR by chance, but it has worked out well.
You can also have a look here at some Kingston modules with Hynix CJR. Might need some Google translate help though.

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Someone in another thread were having major issues with Micron E-die memory, with 3600MHz rated modules that are having none of it with his 3900X.

Also, keep in mind that anything above 3600MHz 1:1 with the IF bus, might not work. It will depend on the board and your luck in the silicon lottery. Apparently I lucked out as far as the IF bus on my CPU goes.

 

[moproblems99]

More like 1-5% improvement by the review I linked. I personally bought fast memory because cpu speed is important to the workloads I do. I bought a 3600mhz Cas 18 kit and overclocked it to Cas 16.

Take a look at the 720 gaming benchmarks where cpu and ram become more important.

Another $100 could be a month of food for someone. It just depends.

If people are concerned that $100 spent on a ram upgrade will prevent them from eating for a month, perhaps a 3950X and 2080TI build wasn't the most prudent thing, eh? I doubt this build would help their situation in that regard would it?

That $100 is a fraction of the build cost.

 

[Nordic]

$100 here and there adds up.

 

[Toothless]

Take a look at the 720 gaming benchmarks where cpu and ram become more important.

Who is gonna game at 720p with a build that has a 38xx/39xx in it?

 

[erek]

Seems to be more than $100 difference ...

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[Toothless]

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Could probably get it to 3400mhz.

 

[moproblems99]

Who is gonna game at 720p with a build that has a 38xx/39xx in it?

Clearly nobody. But that isn't the point of the benchmark.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Clearly nobody. But that isn't the point of the benchmark.

Heres a set of 720p gaming benchmarks... BUT....... that's not the point of them.... muahaha (evil laugh) bonus points if you can work out what they really mean?

 

[moproblems99]

Heres a set of 720p gaming benchmarks... BUT....... that's not the point of them.... muahaha (evil laugh) bonus points if you can work out what they really mean?

Cheese and rice. Right from the article initially linked:

Game Tests: 720p
The low resolution of 720p serves to highlight memory performance differences because games are extremely CPU/memory-limited at this resolution. The CPU will run as fast as it can, and will almost never have to wait on the GPU to complete a frame.

Don't like the test? Take it up with @W1zzard

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Cheese and rice. Right from the article initially linked:



Don't like the test? Take it up with @W1zzard

I've no issue with what is written, however it is still at the end of the day 720p gaming benchmarks and real world benches for other applications don't behave this way so who gives a flying hoot if AMD is slower at 720p gaming I understand what W1zzard wrote, it still doesnt represent any other real world scenario other than 720p gaming, I think it highlights more if anything that most games are/were written or perform better on Intel CPU's/compilers and nothing else. Go look at the other tests and aside from a few that favour Intel it's fairly balanced and representitive of real world usage. It is still only representitive of 720p gaming and you said it wasn't? I know I have repeated myself a few times, hopefully it sinks in, the point that I'm trying to make though and it's not just me being douchey for the sake of it

 

[moproblems99]

I've no issue with what is written, however it is still at the end of the day 720p gaming benchmarks and real world benches for other applications don't behave this way so who gives a flying hoot if AMD is slower at 720p gaming I understand what W1zzard wrote, it still doesnt represent any other real world scenario other than 720p gaming, I think it highlights more if anything that most games are/were written geared towards Intel CPU's/compilers and nothing else. Go look at the other tests and aside from a few that favour Intel it's fairly balanced and representitive of real world usage. It is still only representitive of 720p gaming and you said it wasn't? I know I have repeated myself a few times, hopefully it sinks in, the point that I'm trying to make though and it's not just me being douchey for the sake of it

Again, the point of the test is not 720P gaming. The point is to create massive amounts of work for the cpu and memory. You can pick any other workload you want that is not dependent on storage or gpu. 720P gaming tests easy to generate and reproduce, especially games with repeatable benchmarks.

Forget about 720P Gaming in the headline and read it for what it is.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Again, the point of the test is not 720P gaming. The point is to create massive amounts of work for the cpu and memory. You can pick any other workload you want that is not dependent on storage or gpu. 720P gaming tests easy to generate and reproduce, especially games with repeatable benchmarks.

Forget about 720P Gaming in the headline and read it for what it is.

real world tests that are not gaming dont do this was my point, they dont show the same discrepencies, this is a limited scenario so it doesnt really matter unless of course you are gaming on a $600 CPU with $60 RAM on a 2007 monitor

 

[moproblems99]

unless of course you are gaming on a $600 CPU with $60 RAM

My my, isn't that exactly what the OP intends to do?

Edit:

Not sure where the OP is, but here is cl14 3200 for $240: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232218

Edit 2:

Or cl16 3600 for $210: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861?Item=N82E16820232861

Edit 3:

The cheapest 3600 (cl19) is on sale for $140. So for $70 more you can get a good set of memory. Considering the OP will have about $2000 in CPU/GPU alone, I fail to see the reasoning not to do it.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

My my, isn't that exactly what the OP intends to do?

Edit:

Not sure where the OP is, but here is cl14 3200 for $240: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232218

no iirc it was 3000/3200 CL16 RAM that for all you know can run CL 14 and maybe clock up to 3400/3600, I bought 3000mhz CL16 RAM that overclocked to 3333 CL14 for $75, he simply stated native CL14 RAM was twice as expensive where he is from for very little benefit according to W1zzards review also, nowhere was it mentioned he planned to game on a 720p monitor considering he has a 2080 Ti as well, well done for part editing my quote to make yourself look good though

 

[moproblems99]

no iirc it was 3000/3200 CL16 RAM that for all you know can run CL 14 and maybe clock up to 3400/3600, I bought 3000mhz CL16 RAM that overclocked to 3333 CL14 for $75, he simply stated native CL14 RAM was twice as expensive where he is from for very little benefit according to W1zzards review also, nowhere was it mentioned he planned to game on a 720p monitor considering he has a 2080 Ti as well, well done for part editing my quote to make yourself look good though

Good lord. What is it with the 720P? The OP isn't likely to game on a 1080P monitor with that 2080ti either. If they did, it would be an epic waste of money all the way around.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Good lord. What is it with the 720P? The OP isn't likely to game on a 1080P monitor with that 2080ti either. If they did, it would be an epic waste of money all the way around.

Nothing. Apart from that was whole basis of your so-called point

Again, the point of the test is not 720P gaming. The point is to create massive amounts of work for the cpu and memory. You can pick any other workload you want that is not dependent on storage or gpu. 720P gaming tests easy to generate and reproduce, especially games with repeatable benchmarks.

Forget about 720P Gaming in the headline and read it for what it is.

Clearly nobody. But that isn't the point of the benchmark.

Take a look at the 720 gaming benchmarks where cpu and ram become more important.

 

[Nordic]

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Could probably get it to 3400mhz.

Corsair ram is not recommended for ryzen systems. I did not know this when I got mine.

 

[moproblems99]

Nothing. Apart from that was whole basis of your so-called point

Are you purposefully being thick? The whole basis of my point has nothing to do with gaming on a 720P monitor. It was all about memory limited applications. I fail to see the reason to spend about $3000 on a build and then complain about less than $100.

In any point, this is going no where. The OP can buy top shelf components everywhere else and skimp on the memory all the OP wants. For $70, they can guarantee good specs and be done with it. It doesn't affect my gaming from here so have a nice day.

 

[Nordic]

Are you purposefully being thick? The whole basis of my point has nothing to do with gaming on a 720P monitor. It was all about memory limited applications. I fail to see the reason to spend about $3000 on a build and then complain about less than $100.

In any point, this is going no where. The OP can buy top shelf components everywhere else and skimp on the memory all the OP wants. For $70, they can guarantee good specs and be done with it. It doesn't affect my gaming from here so have a nice day.

How many people frequently use programs that are limited by memory performance? It isn't a common problem.

I think it is entirely justifiable to skimp on memory. Those $100 additions add up over time, and maybe that $100 would better serve you in a retirement portfolio. Whatever his reason, he has made that decision.

 

[SL2]

I find it surprising that the 3950X have been listed for a while at AMD.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/processors

 

[erek]

I find it surprising that the 3950X have been listed for a while at AMD.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/processors

Yeah, been known for a September release

i'm just looking for motherboard / ram advice toward the build at the moment. Considering the Crosshair VIII Hero for the motherboard, but up for any recommendations

 

[Eskimonster]

Im gonna buy this for my 3950x

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[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, been known for a September release

i'm just looking for motherboard / ram advice toward the build at the moment. Considering the Crosshair VIII Hero for the motherboard, but up for any recommendations

Unless you plan on keeping your current system up and running I would try the ram you already have first and see if you can tighten the timings up with the Dram Calculator.

And if that doesn't work out only then would I grab something like this.

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I think sticking with 2 dimms is your best bet as the majority of people I see having issues with memory on ryzen 3000 have 4 dimms.

 

[GamerGuy]

Aw shoot! When I'd read the thread title, I'd thought the 3950X was already released! My philosophy is, IF you're willing to pony up all that cash for a high end CPU, why scrimp on everything else? IF OP wanna build a kickbutt rig and go all out, why not? I'm always willing to help others spend an inordinate amount of dinero on their builds.