What are good B450 MOBO for Ryzen 5 3600?

[Akruze]

For up to 100$.
Anything besides the Tomahawk and PRO-VDH.
I heard that ASRock are crap in general and that Gigabyte are kind of faulty.
How are Asus and other MSI MOBOs?

Edit:
For a new build.
Planning on buying the MOBO from a shop although not ruling out Amazon or Newegg.
No intentions on OC.
I live in Israel and the verity is crap.

 

[mstenholm]

For up to 100$.
Anything besides the Tomahawk and PRO-VDH.
I heard that ASRock are crap in general and that Gigabyte are kind of faulty.
How are Asus and other MSI MOBOs?

Somebody did this. That could be your starting point. It seems like, as with all PC related brands, people have their more or less biased views on things so be prepared. This only evaluates power supply but list the possibilities, well not the newest MSI. I guess it it wasted on you to point out that if you buy cheap then....

 

[silentbogo]

Depends on where you are from. Locally I can snag something decent, like Gigabyte B450 AORUS M in the ballpark of $90-95, and as far as I know that's the best bang for the buck.
Another few notable low-budget candidates are AsRock B450 Fatal1ty Gaming K4 and Gigabyte B450 Gaming X. Both are full-size ATX, if you need more I/O.
Some X470 boards are also getting cheaper, but I haven't seen anything decent in this price range yet.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

I have no issues with my b450 aorus elite. Even updating the bios is painless

 

[mstenholm]

Updating your specs. seems at bit more troublesome....

 

[AlienIsGOD]

Updating your specs. seems at bit more troublesome....

What you mean

 

[mstenholm]

What you mean

If you run a B450 with a 3600 then it fail to show in your spec. If you don't then your advice is misplaced.....

 

[Akruze]

Somebody did this. That could be your starting point. It seems like, as with all PC related brands, people have their more or less biased views on things so be prepared. This only evaluates power supply but list the possibilities, well not the newest MSI. I guess it it wasted on you to point out that if you buy cheap then....

Thanks! I'll iterate over this list to whittle out options.
I know that the opinions are biased but if something has a bad reputation its for a reason I guess

Depends on where you are from. Locally I can snag something decent, like Gigabyte B450 AORUS M in the ballpark of $90-95, and as far as I know that's the best bang for the buck.
Another few notable low-budget candidates are AsRock B450 Fatal1ty Gaming K4 and Gigabyte B450 Gaming X. Both are full-size ATX, if you need more I/O.
Some X470 boards are also getting cheaper, but I haven't seen anything decent in this price range yet.

I live in Israel. I can try to compile a list of the selection we have here but it's mostly Gigabyte and Asus
I'll look into those options, thanks!

 

[AlienIsGOD]

If you run a B450 with a 3600 then it fail to show in your spec. If you don't then your advice is misplaced.....

I'm saying a gb board isn't as bad as ppl say. Not once did I infer I had a 3600... He asked what a good 450 board was...

I mean you did post in the ryzen club so you KNOW I have a 2700... Lol at some ppl

 

[MrPotatoHead]

if this is a new build a B450 Max board is needed as Ryzen 3000 need a bios update on B450 chipsets, alternatively any b450 board with USB bios write back will also work out of the box, asrock are actually one of the better board vendors for 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen boards, not sure where you heard they are "crap"

 

[AlienIsGOD]

if this is a new build a B450 Max board is needed as Ryzen 3000 need a bios update on B450 chipsets, alternatively any b450 board with USB bios write back will also work out of the box, asrock are actually one of the better board vendors for 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen boards, not sure where you heard they are "crap"

One can ask a local pc shop to update bios, a MAX board isn't needed. I was reading another ryzen thread and it obky cost them $5 for the PC shop to put a ryzen 3000 compatible bios on the board.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

One can ask a local pc shop to update bios, a MAX board isn't needed. I was reading another ryzen thread and it obky cost them $5 for the PC shop to put a ryzen 3000 compatible bios on the board.

This is true, and there are other variables but the jist of it is it needs a bios update, he could buy max, have a 1st or 2nd gen, buy max, buy a write back enabled mobo, either way b450 needs to be able to have a bios update, be max or have a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to hand beforehand..

 

[Deleted member 185158]

For up to 100$.
Anything besides the Tomahawk and PRO-VDH.
I heard that ASRock are crap in general and that Gigabyte are kind of faulty.
How are Asus and other MSI MOBOs?

Not sure what is available in Israel for purchase, but from choosing MSI or Asus, best to get an Asus board.

I have 2 B450 boards both have run a 2700X, but one of the two is significantly better.
Asus Strix B450-I Gaming
Asus B450M-A. (run of the mill meh board)
By far the B450-I gaming board is better. Tons of options, built in wifi and bluetooth. OCs very well.
These are the only 2 B450 boards I've experienced, and both are mATX so if you need more than one PCI-E slot, these boards are not for you.

Also, if you purchase a used board, please be sure the seller updates the bios to the latest version to be sure support for your 3600 processor.
Generally, when purchasing new, the bios will be up to date for supported latest gen processors, but will not be at the newest latest bios.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

when purchasing new, the bios will be up to date for supported latest gen processors, but will not be at the newest latest bios

Huh? hardly any retailer supplying new boards will do this, they come as stock from the mfr, if there is a newer revision from the factory it might have a newer bios sure but retailers dont tend to update the bios

 

[Akruze]

if this is a new build a B450 Max board is needed as Ryzen 3000 need a bios update on B450 chipsets, alternatively any b450 board with USB bios write back will also work out of the box, asrock are actually one of the better board vendors for 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen boards, not sure where you heard they are "crap"

It is a new build. Isn't Max only msi?
Anyway, as @AlienIsGOD pointed out its less important to me for it to be flashed out of the box, I'd rather pay a bit more at the shop and let them do it.
Regarding the ASRock thing, it was on reddit's BAPC discord channel.
I'm not really educated with whos and what's good and not so I usually belive opinion on forums like this and reddit

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Huh? hardly any retailer supplying new boards will do this, they come as stock from the mfr, if there is a newer revision from the factory it might have a newer bios sure but retailers dont tend to update the bios

Never had an issue yet, but I shop generally from newegg. Almost any board this many months after new cpus are released the bios is updated to support. (yes by manufacturer)

I could be wrong for sure, but generally this is how it's worked... at least for me. Just exclaiming by experience. (I've built more than a single system in my Ryzen adventure time....)

 

[MrPotatoHead]

It is a new build. Isn't Max only msi?
Anyway, as @AlienIsGOD pointed out its less important to me for it to be flashed out of the box, I'd rather pay a bit more at the shop and let them do it.
Regarding the ASRock thing, it was on reddit's BAPC discord channel.
I'm not really educated with whos and what's good and not so I usually belive opinion on forums like this and reddit

Well if you have a shop who is willing to do that for you for a low price that's a plus, though you didnt specify that in your original post, I was merely pointing out the issues you face building a new 3600 build with a B450 motherboard. Asrock are not crap in general though, they had some solid boards for 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen and better than a lot of the competition regarding VRMs

 

[Akruze]

Not sure what is available in Israel for purchase, but from choosing MSI or Asus, best to get an Asus board.

I have 2 B450 boards both have run a 2700X, but one of the two is significantly better.
Asus Strix B450-I Gaming
Asus B450M-A. (run of the mill meh board)
By far the B450-I gaming board is better. Tons of options, built in wifi and bluetooth. OCs very well.
These are the only 2 B450 boards I've experienced, and both are mATX so if you need more than one PCI-E slot, these boards are not for you.

Also, if you purchase a used board, please be sure the seller updates the bios to the latest version to be sure support for your 3600 processor.
Generally, when purchasing new, the bios will be up to date for supported latest gen processors, but will not be at the newest latest bios.

That's reassuring about Asus! I'll look more at their boards now. Although I don't need WiFi or Bluetooth nor do I intent on overclocking anything.
I'm definitely not going to buy used parts. I find it hard to trust sellers that everything is good.

Well if you have a shop who is willing to do that for you for a low price that's a plus, though you didnt specify that in your original post, I was merely pointing out the issues you face building a new 3600 build with a B450 motherboard. Asrock are not crap in general though, they had some solid boards for 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen and better than a lot of the competition regarding VRMs

True, my fault. I'll edit the post and add that I don't intend on doing OC.
Well that's good to hear. Are there specific models of the b450 you can recommend for 3600?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

That's reassuring about Asus! I'll look more at their boards now. Although I don't need WiFi or Bluetooth nor do I intent on overclocking anything.
I'm definitely not going to buy used parts. I find it hard to trust sellers that everything is good.


True, my fault. I'll edit the post and add that I don't intend on doing OC.
Well that's good to hear. Are there specific models of the b450 you can recommend for 3600?

It won't matter. The Ryzen series processors overclock themselves. It's litterally plug and play, manual overclocking is about dead.

 

[refillable]

The only good B450 line up is from MSI. This doesn't apply to other chipsets. They have the best CPU VRMs on the market and the rest falls way behind.

In the lower end, you have the Gaming Plus. The Tomahawk takes the crown for best mid-range boards. Going up a step you have the Gaming Pro Carbon. I have the Gaming Plus non-Max, with the updated BIOS. Beware that it's a bit buggy. Though, every B450 boards are buggy with Ryzen 3000 CPUs anyway.

Asrock and Gigabyte are not crap. Gigabyte makes the best high-end X570 boards. FYI, the Asrock B450 Pro 4 is the only comparable board to MSI's B450 line up on the same price.

 

[biffzinker]

I can vouch for the MSI B450 Tomahawk paired with a Ryzen 5 3600. It's been an excellent board for me. Although you want the B450 Tomahawk MAX unless a text based interface doesn't bother you.

 

[Akruze]

I can vouch for the MSI B450 Tomahawk paired with a Ryzen 5 3600. It's been an excellent board for me. Although you want the B450 Tomahawk MAX unless a text based interface doesn't bother you.

It's simply not sold by any retailer in Israel unfortunately.. I do really want this MOBO but I'm afraid to order a MOBO online. Also, I add 40$ for shipment and taxes

The only good B450 line up is from MSI. This doesn't apply to other chipsets. They have the best CPU VRMs on the market and the rest falls way behind.

In the lower end, you have the Gaming Plus. The Tomahawk takes the crown for best mid-range boards. Going up a step you have the Gaming Pro Carbon. I have the Gaming Plus non-Max, with the updated BIOS. Beware that it's a bit buggy. Though, every B450 boards are buggy with Ryzen 3000 CPUs anyway.

Asrock and Gigabyte are not crap. Gigabyte makes the best high-end X570 boards. FYI, the Asrock B450 Pro 4 is the only comparable board to MSI's B450 line up on the same price.

Really?? Didn't know msi were that good.
I think that specific module is sold around here so that's good to hear.
Thanks!

 

[refillable]

Only for B450. For X570 it's a whole different story. MSI is generally the worst there.

 

[Vya Domus]

I have a AsRock 450M pro4 so I can vouch for it. I can OC an 8 core 1700X to 4Ghz just fine on it, it's pretty solid.

A 3600 isn't a particularly demanding CPU so you'll probably fine with whatever you choose.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

VRM wise the 3600 is not going to be a problem at all...

A couple of my friends have had trouble with MSI B450 BIOSes though (post by one of them: https://forums.thefpsreview.com/threads/editorial-are-socket-amd-bioss-too-fat.525/page-2#post-2988)

I haven't really had much trouble with my Asus X470 prime pro, but it's definitely no memory OCing champion (at least as far as timings are concerned) and has doesn't like me plugging in timings on my rev E kit without first applying XMP profile and rebooting.