Thermal Grizzly Scratching

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

Hi,

i make a follow on that thread : https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...y-kryonaut-psa-nasty-scratching.261985/page-3

Today i was O/C again a bit more my 6700k, youhou, nice, rockstable @ 4.7/4.6 - 1.285v LLC5 ! BUT ! My core 1 is perm 5°C hotter than the others core, so i decided to check my thermal paste, repaste with my thermal grizzly kryonaut, but i saw (big?) i guess that nicely big scratch on the copper plate (eisbear 280 aio, brought last month!!!!) so i see only on answer : the thermal paste.
for thoose who think it can be caused by dust or alien, no, not with me.

check out the photo, its the same on the IHS, just a bit less. I did the same on my GPU, should i go disassembly to cry or i keep the mistery ....

BTW i dont know how that can happen, the little mouvement the waterblock is making while screwing ? there is almost no pressure at this moment...i guess its a bit abrasive too.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 12, 2019

You should contact their customer support

dorsetknob · Dec 12, 2019

calling @Thermal-Grizzly

those expected

After we admitted of having a bad batch, we received several "fake problems and requests"

Time for a PM consult

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

Well, its not a fake, and iam waiting for nothing, its just another information for the next who will have a same problem, but well, what iam supposed to do know...i put that on my NVME, GPU, cpu die...i have to redelid, with a normal paste! or maybe a non defective kryonaut...? its the best :s sad!

FreedomEclipse · Dec 12, 2019

But why would you put it on your NvMe drive??

Werent planning to OC it were you?? thermal paste on NvME drives are pointless.

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

its on old 960evo, without any cooling system, so i just took my TG tube, an old VRM cooler, and i attached them = -15°C but now with zinc oxyde xD

dorsetknob · Dec 12, 2019

If you have read that previous thread (as you said you had) you can see its where i quoted from.

@Thermal-Grizzly is a New member (from company) and i tagged him for you so you and he could discuss your problem

Either give him time to check in and contact you or email the company

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

thank you Knob !

RealNeil · Dec 12, 2019

ssk said:
BUT ! My core 1 is perm 5°C hotter than the others core

Same here. I have one, and sometimes two cores that run hotter than the others do. These temps right after a benchmark run. I'm using Thermal Grizzly paste on an 8700K system.
So small temperature variances between core is probably not something to be concerned about.
Thermal Grizzly has never scratched any of my heatsinks before.

It is now the only paste I use.

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

Yep, its not thermal paste manufacturer fault, maybe more homogeneity of the paste on the die, maybe pressure related not exactly the same everywhere...test on direct die and tell me

Tatty_Two · Dec 12, 2019

Yep, same for me, in my experience it is rare NOT to have one or two cores with different temps...…………………...

On the desktop all 4 cores, 8 threads may not be needed to do any work, so just one or two are working hence the temp difference.

ssk · Dec 12, 2019

i talked about 5°C idle, 9°C burn, so

atm for exemple = 20-24-20-20 , burning = 61-69-58-60

a few differences are ok yes

freeagent · Dec 12, 2019

On my 3770K I have 1 core that loads 10-12c lower than the other 3. Nothing I can do except delid it and hope for the best. It has nothing to do with my TIM. Which happens to be TF8, slightly better performance than Kryonaut, at least on paper.

Doesn’t Kryonaut get hard when you get up to 80c? Not sure where I saw that. It’s the only reason why I haven’t used it. That may or may not play a role in the damage being done here in these two threads.

robot zombie · Dec 12, 2019

freeagent said:
On my 3770K I have 1 core that loads 10-12c lower than the other 3. Nothing I can do except delid it and hope for the best. It has nothing to do with my TIM. Which happens to be TF8, slightly better performance than Kryonaut, at least on paper.

Doesn’t Kryonaut get hard when you get up to 80c? Not sure where I saw that. It’s the only reason why I haven’t used it. That may or may not play a role in the damage being done here in these two threads.

Not IME... I was using it under a Mugen MAX when I put my Ryzen 2600 through the ringer trying for a 4.3ghz OC. I was playing with it for a month solid... often with extended periods in the mid to upper 80s. 8 months later when I popped the cooler off it was still moist and tacky.

I always thought it was a non-curing paste.

EarthDog · Dec 12, 2019

ssk said:
Well, its not a fake, and iam waiting for nothing, its just another information for the next who will have a same problem, but well, what iam supposed to do know..

I would have added to the other thread (instead of a dupe on the same subjec) and like the advice there, contacted support or that rep in the thread...

Solaris17 · Dec 12, 2019

EarthDog said:
I would have added to the other thread (instead of a dupe on the same subjec) and like the advice there, contacted support or that rep in the thread...

But then we wouldn't be able to pressure the manufacturer into giving stuff by creating a thread for maximum effect.

EarthDog · Dec 12, 2019

Solaris17 said:
But then we wouldn't be able to pressure the manufacturer into giving stuff by creating a thread for maximum effect.

Lol I guess. If that's why you feel this thread exists, to extort something from them, why not merge it and prevent it?

Solaris17 · Dec 12, 2019

EarthDog said:
Lol I guess. If that's why you feel this thread exists, to extort something from them, why not merge it and prevent it?

I can have an opinion about something without pressing my beliefs on the OP. Or taking moderation advice from members.

robot zombie · Dec 12, 2019

I don't even get the big deal. My Mugen has the same pits and I never thought anything of it. Just kinda like "huh. That's new." Maybe I got lucky but the performance was still great. Kinda wrote it off on cosmetic damage that nobody ever sees.

Maybe I'm getting too old. I don't have the energy to get active about something like that.

Sithaer · Dec 12, 2019

robot zombie said:
I don't even get the big deal. My Mugen has the same pits and I never thought anything of it. Just kinda like "huh. That's new." Maybe I got lucky but the performance was still great. Kinda wrote it off on cosmetic damage that nobody ever sees.

Maybe I'm getting too old. I don't have the energy to get active about something like that.

Same here.
Thats something I jus can't be bothered with,I re paste once a year 'MX 4' if that and the temps are still more than fine so what do I care if there are some scratches or whatever.

ssk · Dec 13, 2019

My temp with that defective paste are pretty the same than with generic bequiet paste (the one from cooler package) So my real concern after a night with a few dreams, is the damage on the DIE, still work but are the thermal performance remain the same ?
As i said i saw the scratch while i was investigating about an anormal core temp (core #1) ...
I dont care about cosmetic !

freeagent said:
Doesn’t Kryonaut get hard when you get up to 80c?

i dont reach 80c :s

micropage7 · Dec 13, 2019

ssk said:
Yep, its not thermal paste manufacturer fault, maybe more homogeneity of the paste on the die, maybe pressure related not exactly the same everywhere...test on direct die and tell me

I wonder how you applied them on the processor

ssk · Dec 13, 2019

not with sand paper if you wanna know xD but with the little spatula TG provide, uniformaly

Thermal-Grizzly · Dec 13, 2019

Hey, i saw the Thread now

Can you e-mail me the proof of purchase (receipt), and tell me the verification code if there was one inside?
I would have answered your e-mail earlier, but we have no one who speaks french at thermal grizzly

ssk · Dec 13, 2019

thanks for the answer,
i am sending you that atm!

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