Microsoft's Windows 7 Reaches End-Of-Life

Keullo-e · Jan 14, 2020

Not going to miss it. Moved to 8.1 Pro about 5 years ago, and upgraded to 10 Pro on the release date.

7 is going to have the same thing XP had, some will use it years after years..

Dave65 · Jan 14, 2020

Switched to 10 pro long will ago on all our PC's and don't regret it one bit.

newtekie1 · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
7 is going to have the same thing XP had, some will use it years after years..

There are still some people using XP...

Keullo-e · Jan 14, 2020

newtekie1 said:
There are still some people using XP...

So some people don't need over 3.5GB* RAM and they don't care about security :/

* 64-bit XP was always so niche that I doubt many ever used that.

P4-630 · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
64-bit XP

I have used it in the past, had a 32/64 bit XP dual boot.

Keullo-e · Jan 14, 2020

P4-630 said:
I have used it in the past, had a 32/64 bit XP dual boot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC it had pretty crappy driver support after all?

64K · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
So some people don't need over 3.5GB* RAM and they don't care about security :/

* 64-bit XP was always so niche that I doubt many ever used that.

Even back in the day I don't recall hardly anyone using 64 bit XP. Back in the early 2000s to mid 2000s 4 GB (3.5 available to use) was plenty anyway for most people. Hell, I was using 2 GB and that was plenty for me for gaming and general use.

Keullo-e · Jan 14, 2020

64K said:
Even back in the day I don't recall hardly anyone using 64 bit XP. Back in the early 2000s to mid 2000s 4 GB (3.5 available to use) was plenty anyway for most people. Hell, I was using 2 GB and that was plenty for me for gaming and general use.

IIRC 512MB was fine in 2005, people started upgrading to 768MB/1GB/1.5GB in 2006 and some enthusiasts had 2GB. When Vista was released in 2007, then many upgraded to 4GB, partially because they moved to 64-bit and wanted also the whole 4GB to be usable. Vista did run with 2GB after all though.

newtekie1 · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
Vista did run with 2GB after all though.

Vista would run on 512MB or less.

P4-630 · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC it had pretty crappy driver support after all?

Yeah there wasn't much you could do with it at the time.
I used it for SolidWorks back then.

64K · Jan 14, 2020

Chloe Price said:
IIRC 512MB was fine in 2005, people started upgrading to 768MB/1GB/1.5GB in 2006 and some enthusiasts had 2GB. When Vista was released in 2007, then many upgraded to 4GB, partially because they moved to 64-bit and wanted also the whole 4GB to be usable. Vista did run with 2GB after all though.

I built my first gaming rig in 2007 and put in 2 X 1 GB sticks. A family member build my rigs before that so I don't know what he was using. iirc I think he mentioned with one of them either 2001 or 2002 that had 256 MB. XP wasn't a memory hog like Vista.

newtekie1 said:
Vista would run on 512MB or less.

But didn't Vista run slow on less than 1 GB?

newtekie1 · Jan 14, 2020

64K said:
But didn't Vista run slow on less than 1 GB?

Yeah, it ran like garbage. That's why people got so pissed off at the whole Vista Ready/Vista Capable thing. Vista Capable just barely met the minimum requirements, so 512MB of RAM, and Vista ran like garbage on the system. Though it did technically run it. While Vista Ready met the recommended requirements and Vista ran much better.

Bones · Jan 14, 2020

Easo said:
Oh people, when will you ever stop using the crap like M@ or WinSpy 10? It got old long time ago.
And seriously, which games don't work OK on W10 and why you keep blaming MS for everything in that regard?

When they stop doing crap like this.... Which we know will never in itself happen.

How Google and Amazon are ‘spying’ on you | Consumer Watchdog

You would be forgiven for thinking that your private conversations were just that, but two leading voice assistants are listening to everything you say, a new report claims. Patent applications from Amazon and Google revealed how their Alexa and Voice Assistant powered smart speakers are...

www.consumerwatchdog.org

Turning an Echo Into a Spy Device Only Took Some Clever Coding

Researchers didn't have to hack Amazon's Alexa voice assistant to use it for eavesdropping. They just took advantage of the system in place.

www.wired.com

The Terrible Truth About Alexa

This week, I read through a history of everything I’ve said to Alexa, and it felt a little bit like reading an old diary. Until I remembered that the things I’ve told Alexa in private are stored on an Amazon server and have possibly been read by an Amazon employee. This is all to make Alexa...

gizmodo.com

And the fact for years Alexa was indeed classified as Spyware because that's what it did period. Proggys such as Spybot Search and Destroy didn't have it named as a positive for no reason, that I can promise you.

So - In short, it's WinSpy 10 and won't be on my machine by my hand.
~The end.

64K · Jan 14, 2020

Bones said:
When they stop doing crap like this.... Which we know will never in itself happen.

How Google and Amazon are ‘spying’ on you | Consumer Watchdog

You would be forgiven for thinking that your private conversations were just that, but two leading voice assistants are listening to everything you say, a new report claims. Patent applications from Amazon and Google revealed how their Alexa and Voice Assistant powered smart speakers are...

www.consumerwatchdog.org

Turning an Echo Into a Spy Device Only Took Some Clever Coding

Researchers didn't have to hack Amazon's Alexa voice assistant to use it for eavesdropping. They just took advantage of the system in place.

www.wired.com

The Terrible Truth About Alexa

This week, I read through a history of everything I’ve said to Alexa, and it felt a little bit like reading an old diary. Until I remembered that the things I’ve told Alexa in private are stored on an Amazon server and have possibly been read by an Amazon employee. This is all to make Alexa...

gizmodo.com

And the fact for years Alexa was indeed classified as Spyware because that's what it did period. Proggys such as Spybot Search and Destroy didn't have it named as a positive for no reason, that I can promise you.

So - In short, it's WinSpy 10 and won't be on my machine by my hand.
~The end.

I remember a time when some tech people swore that they would never give up their Windows XP but they did eventually. They will give up their Windows 7 eventually as well.

Easo · Jan 14, 2020

64K said:
I remember a time when some tech people swore that they would never give up their Windows XP but they did eventually. They will give up their Windows 7 eventually as well.

Yep. This all gets quite ridiculous because all the previous arguments back then were exactly the same as they are now. People just pretend that 10 years ago it was somehow different - it was not, "XP is the best, I will never change, damn M$, yada yada yada".

Arct1c0n · Jan 14, 2020

Khanivore said:
I for one will not give up on Windows 7. I shall continue to use it for as long as possible - updates or no updates.

Long live Windows 7!
Down with Windows 10!!

Ooooh, what a rebel! You turn me on so much you naughty boy!

windwhirl · Jan 14, 2020

Khanivore said:
I for one will not give up on Windows 7. I shall continue to use it for as long as possible - updates or no updates.

Long live Windows 7!
Down with Windows 10!!

It's not like the government is shoving Windows 10 down your throat...

Chloe Price said:
So some people don't need over 3.5GB* RAM and they don't care about security :/

* 64-bit XP was always so niche that I doubt many ever used that.

On top of that, I think most 64-bit software of the era just outright didn't plan on working with it. No hard data here, but every time I saw some 64-bit software, I never saw XP's 64-bit edition mentioned...

Bones · Jan 15, 2020

64K said:
I remember a time when some tech people swore that they would never give up their Windows XP but they did eventually. They will give up their Windows 7 eventually as well.

That's what Linux is for, was created by species 8472 as a means of resistance to aid Win 7 of 8 against the Win 10 collective.
Works for me too.

Fouquin · Jan 15, 2020

nickbaldwin86 said:
Any time I have to work on a Win7 PC I feel like my life and time is being taken away by how slow it is, (same hardware and everything else being equal)

That should never be an issue, honestly. Both should be practically the same in general UI response. I've got a test bench with ME, XP, 7 and 10 on it. Going between 7 and 10, even on old Ceder Mill P4s, has never felt any different. Hell there was a period of time after Ryzen's launch where 7 was actually the faster OS across the board.

Windows 10 search still sucks though, and slows me down daily. Like trying to find legacy software on an indexed storage drive just shits the bed every single time, all while refreshing the search with "here's some unrelated bullshit we found on Bing!"

windwhirl · Jan 15, 2020

Fouquin said:
That should never be an issue, honestly. Both should be practically the same in general UI response. I've got a test bench with ME, XP, 7 and 10 on it. Going between 7 and 10, even on old Ceder Mill P4s, has never felt any different. Hell there was a period of time after Ryzen's launch where 7 was actually the faster OS across the board.

Windows 10 search still sucks though, and slows me down daily. Like trying to find legacy software on an indexed storage drive just shits the bed every single time, all while refreshing the search with "here's some unrelated bullshit we found on Bing!"

You have a test bench with Windows ME, as in Millennium Edition? Full respect for that :respect:

And yeah, Windows 10 search is slow. I miss how fast the search function was on XP.

And the Bing search tagging along, I don't know what to think. Guess someone at Microsoft thought that I don't use browsers for that...

Jism · Jan 15, 2020

If my motherboard and all things would work on 7 i'd do that in a heartbeat. There's too much clumsy things going on with W10 that even all the telemetry in the world coud'nt fix still.

Melvis · Jan 15, 2020

Basard said:
I just recently upgraded an in-law's PC to 10 from 7, using the media creation tool.... Surprisingly, Windows stayed activated. Used the 'keep everything' option. FFS, it took an eternity on an old spinning disk, dual core Phenom, with 4 gigs of RAM. But it worked and stayed activated. Hundred bucks saved!

Yep you could always upgrade any Windows 7 machine to 10 still for free, I have been doing this ever since they said they stopped it, which never actually happened and I will be getting plenty of business this yr from doing just that, offering a free upgrade to 10 if your still on 7.

Windows 10 is a very slow OS when its run on an old Mechanical HDD, this has always been the case, its complete snail compared to 7 in this regard, this is why every PC I build or upgrade to 10 I insist putting a SSD in for the OS to make it feel snappy again.

I will move to 10 once its out of Beta and I 7 becomes unusable till then Ill stick with 7 and there will be updates just gotta know where to look

R-T-B · Jan 15, 2020

Khanivore said:
I for one will not give up on Windows 7. I shall continue to use it for as long as possible - updates or no updates.

Long live Windows 7!
Down with Windows 10!!

Good luck... you'll need it.

Bones said:
When they stop doing crap like this.... Which we know will never in itself happen.

How Google and Amazon are ‘spying’ on you | Consumer Watchdog

You would be forgiven for thinking that your private conversations were just that, but two leading voice assistants are listening to everything you say, a new report claims. Patent applications from Amazon and Google revealed how their Alexa and Voice Assistant powered smart speakers are...

www.consumerwatchdog.org

Turning an Echo Into a Spy Device Only Took Some Clever Coding

Researchers didn't have to hack Amazon's Alexa voice assistant to use it for eavesdropping. They just took advantage of the system in place.

www.wired.com

The Terrible Truth About Alexa

This week, I read through a history of everything I’ve said to Alexa, and it felt a little bit like reading an old diary. Until I remembered that the things I’ve told Alexa in private are stored on an Amazon server and have possibly been read by an Amazon employee. This is all to make Alexa...

gizmodo.com

And the fact for years Alexa was indeed classified as Spyware because that's what it did period. Proggys such as Spybot Search and Destroy didn't have it named as a positive for no reason, that I can promise you.

So - In short, it's WinSpy 10 and won't be on my machine by my hand.
~The end.

Alexa the spyware program was not made by Amazon and has no relation to the modern voice assistant, but cool conspiracy bro.

Prima.Vera · Jan 15, 2020

Easo said:
Yep. This all gets quite ridiculous because all the previous arguments back then were exactly the same as they are now. People just pretend that 10 years ago it was somehow different - it was not, "XP is the best, I will never change, damn M$, yada yada yada".

To be honest, Vista was a complete and utter garbage when it was first release. Resource hug, sluggish as hell, took a lot of space, full of bugs, complete junk.

Bones · Jan 15, 2020

R-T-B said:
Alexa the spyware program was not made by Amazon and has no relation to the modern voice assistant, but cool conspiracy bro.

I don't believe it's coincidence that they happen to share the same name and perform the same basic function by design too.
Nope - Not buying it.

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