BIOS reset when active XMP

[Master_Cyber]

Hello, now in January I bought a new PC, but I have a problem, when raising the frequency or activating XMP, a few days later the BIOS is reset.
I did stress tests with AIDA and I had no problem. My memory is Samsung B-die.

I configured the timings manually and I also had the same problem.

The BIOS is updated to the latest version (2.90). I put the memories in slots A2-B2.

My setup:
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X | Asrock B450M Steel Legend | Adata XPG Spectrix D41 TUF 2x8GB DDR4 3000Mhz | MSI GTX 1050 AERO ITX | Corsair CX-430W | DeepCool Gammaxx GTE

can you help me?

Sorry for my poor English.

 

[basco]

are you aware that you run the ram at cl14 as to specs its a cl16 kit?
i dont think so because of the voltage used?

 

[Master_Cyber]

are you aware that you run the ram at cl14 as to specs its a cl16 kit?
i dont think so because of the voltage used?

Yes, I was unable to go up with CL14, I used the same frequencies as XMP 16-18-18-38, but the problem of resetting the BIOS also happens.
Voltage 1.35.
(I didn't use the Dram Calculator frequencies, sorry, I updated the image.)

 

[basco]

did ya try with lower frequenzy at 2933mhz?

 

[Master_Cyber]

did ya try with lower frequenzy at 2933mhz?

I did this yesterday, activated the XMP and lowered the frequency to 2933.
Now it's a few days to wait.
But I find that strange, because my memories are Samsung B-die and are theoretically good for OC.

Yesterday when I went to turn off the PC, it took about 2 minutes to turn it off, and when I went to turn it on again about 2 hours later the BIOS had been reset.

Is it a problem with my memories? or compatibility with the motherboard?

Very sad = /

 

[basco]

you have b-die with the newer layout A2 thats more friendly to high mhz then tight timings
i think on your mainboard everything above 2933 is overclocking so no guarantee
but if ya get 2933 with cl14 i would not call it so bad

 

[Master_Cyber]

you have b-die with the newer layout A2 thats more friendly to high mhz then tight timings
i think on your mainboard everything above 2933 is overclocking so no guarantee
but if ya get 2933 with cl14 i would not call it so bad

It is running at 2933, I will test it for a few days, if the problem doesn't come back again, for me it's great.

Minimum loss of 3000.

 

[basco]

what i forgot to say is that not all B-die is the same and 3000mhz cl16-18-18 is considered a lower bin so maybe ya have to give them more volts for your goal.(thats why ya pay more for 3200cl14 sticks)
up to 1,40volts should be no prob.
and loosening up the 2nd +3rd timing can help too like 14-15-15 or 14-16-16 with minimum performance loss.

for E.x I have 3200c16-16-16 dual rank sticks and they need around 1,40+volt for 3200cl14 which i only use for benchmarks.
daily i run them at 2666mhz cl12 at 1,30volt

 

[Master_Cyber]

what i forgot to say is that not all B-die is the same and 3000mhz cl16-18-18 is considered a lower bin so maybe ya have to give them more volts for your goal.(thats why ya pay more for 3200cl14 sticks)
up to 1,40volts should be no prob.
and loosening up the 2nd +3rd timing can help too like 14-15-15 or 14-16-16 with minimum performance loss.

for E.x I have 3200c16-16-16 dual rank sticks and they need around 1,40+volt for 3200cl14 which i only use for benchmarks.
daily i run them at 2666mhz cl12 at 1,30volt

Understand.
I bought a new battery (CR2032) and I'm going to change it today. And I will increase the voltage to 1.40V.
Do you think 3000mhz with 16-18-18-38 is a problem?

 

[P4-630]

E.x I have 3200c16-16-16 dual rank sticks

Update your system specs!

 

[basco]

yes good sir P4-630 will do !

normal timings should run with normal voltage so 1,35 or 1,36 but yes you can try more too
2933 cl14 or 15 should be equal or better to 3000 cl16 but sometimes if 3000 does not boot try 3200.-but dont start with 3200mhz cl14 but with your norm timings.

first we have to look that your system is stable + does not take so much time to reboot .
if ya can get 2933 with 16-18-18 try using it for a few days,then try 16-16-16 and then we go from this onward-you know the drill now.

but i hope someone with more knowledge on new amd systems could chime in and help please

 

[Master_Cyber]

yes good sir P4-630 will do !

normal timings should run with normal voltage so 1,35 or 1,36 but yes you can try more too
2933 cl14 or 15 should be equal or better to 3000 cl16 but sometimes if 3000 does not boot try 3200.-but dont start with 3200mhz cl14 but with your norm timings.

first we have to look that your system is stable + does not take so much time to reboot .
if ya can get 2933 with 16-18-18 try using it for a few days,then try 16-16-16 and then we go from this onward-you know the drill now.

but i hope someone with more knowledge on new amd systems could chime in and help please

Okay, I’m going to do all those tests you said and I’ll be back to give you feedback.
Thank you for your help.

 

[basco]

no prob hope it helps-if ya got questions just ask

i dont like to run stress test instead i just play a game i like.

Q: you wrote:when raising the frequency or activating XMP, a few days later the BIOS is reset.
does it say reset because of overclocking failed or just resets? new batterie is good+cheap idea

 

[Master_Cyber]

no prob hope it helps-if ya got questions just ask

i dont like to run stress test instead i just play a game i like.

Q: you wrote:when raising the frequency or activating XMP, a few days later the BIOS is reset.
does it say reset because of overclocking failed or just resets? new batterie is good+cheap idea

Just resets.

I had increased the frequency to 3000mhz and the bios reset 4 days later. = /

I can activate XMP or increase the frequency.
The PC turns on normally, I can play games, do stress tests without problems.

But a few days later, the BIOS inexplicably resets.

Perhaps the problem is not even the XMP or frequency increase.

But I already bought a new battery and I'm going to change it today.

 

[basco]

then try 2933 with 16-18-18 1,35 volt and see if it fails again after bios batterie change.

plz look after your SoC voltage too-some xmp can boost this to high levels

good read: page 12 is about soc volt

https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia/sys_master/productcontent/Ryzen3000_MemoryOverclockingGuide.pdf

and this if ya want to look deeper in memory:

MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at master · integralfx/MemTestHelper

C# WPF to automate HCI MemTest. Contribute to integralfx/MemTestHelper development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

a quote from this guide:
All of the tested samples illustrated negative scaling (i.e. more errors or failures to train) when higher than 1.150V SoC was used. In all cases the maximum memory frequency was achieved at =< 1.100V SoC voltage.
~ The Stilt

3000 15-16-16 is a tighter bin than 3200 16-18-18. This means that a kit rated for 3000 15-16-16 will probably be able to do 3200 16-18-18 but a kit rated for 3200 16-18-18 might not be able to do 3000 15-16-16.

 

[Master_Cyber]

then try 2933 with 16-18-18 1,35 volt and see if it fails again after bios batterie change.

plz look after your SoC voltage too-some xmp can boost this to high levels

good read: page 12 is about soc volt

https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia/sys_master/productcontent/Ryzen3000_MemoryOverclockingGuide.pdf

Nice. I will do this.
Thank you very much again =)

 

[Master_Cyber]

@basco
Hello friend, on Tuesday I changed the battery and activated the XMP for 3000 with 16-18-18.
And last night (two days later) reset again.
Sad = /

Do you think I should leave XMP off for a few days to test?
Or do I increase the voltage to 1.4V?

is it a defect on my motherboard?

 

[TheLostSwede]

For crying out loud, it's not that hard to set the memory settings manually.
XMP doesn't seem to work well in some cases on Ryzen, so it's easier to do it manually and there are no problems.

 

[Master_Cyber]

For crying out loud, it's not that hard to set the memory settings manually.
XMP doesn't seem to work well in some cases on Ryzen, so it's easier to do it manually and there are no problems.

I had already set the timings (16-18-18-36) and the frequency manually to 3000. And it also reset after a few days.

Bios is up to date (2.90) and I gave a clear cmos as well.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I had already set the timings (16-18-18-36) and the frequency manually to 3000. And it also reset after a few days.

Bios is up to date (2.90) and I gave a clear cmos as well.

That suggests that there's something wrong with your board, as you've replaced the CMOS battery and tried every option under the sun. Updating the UEFI normally means a reset of the settings. RMA the board.

 

[basco]

can ya plz tell me what soc volts ya have during load ?

and ya can try with just a little bit more volts like 1,370

and if all fails try 2933mhz

 

[Master_Cyber]

can ya plz tell me what soc volts ya have during load ?

and ya can try with just a little bit more volts like 1,370

and if all fails try 2933mhz

Soc Voltage: 1.025
I can't set 1.37, it automatically goes up to 1.40

 

[basco]

puuh thats some overvolt- so we know that the volt is not the problem. 1,37 should be enough for further testing
is soc volt on auto or did ya set it ? if not auto try 1,10 or 1,125-keep care if your are not on high performance mode in windows some voltages go down with energy saving so plz look at the volts only at load

we are going to find that sweet spot for your ram

could ya post a pic with your ram timings and plz with the subtimings if its possible

 

[Tatty_Two]

I have just read a review on that memory, XMP @ 3000mhz would not boot even though it was to spec, they had to either manually input timings with XMP disabled or run XMP but with 1.4V in order for it to work at 3000mhz.

 

[Master_Cyber]

puuh thats some overvolt- so we know that the volt is not the problem. 1,37 should be enough for further testing
is soc volt on auto or did ya set it ? if not auto try 1,10 or 1,125-keep care if your are not on high performance mode in windows some voltages go down with energy saving so plz look at the volts only at load

we are going to find that sweet spot for your ram

could ya post a pic with your ram timings and plz with the subtimings if its possible

Okay, tonight I'm sending you a full photo of the timings.

I have just read a review on that memory, XMP @ 3000mhz would not boot even though it was to spec, they had to either manually input timings with XMP disabled or run XMP but with 1.4V in order for it to work at 3000mhz.

Last night after the bios reset, I activated the XMP again and increased the voltage to 1.4V. Now it's waiting again = /