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Current problem? My friend, this blew over a year ago. If this was still an issue, surely youd see fanboys/the whole amd crew still out in force over it. If their Bulldogs arent chomping at the bit...


@Ryzen_7 - Nvidia was proven not to gimp performance on older cards.. please stop with that FUD.
a whole seriers abou that (pu it i n google translate if you need but the numbers speak for themselves)

babeltech also did their

But it's such a nice story... And a hate one at that.
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Ironically the (somewhat recent) card for which this counted most was the high end HD7970 with its 3GB which lasted exceptionally long, compared to high end Kepler cards. Most of the time though, the card's performance goes obsolete right along with its VRAM. You're not wrong though, Nvidia is definitely tight on their VRAM balance and especially in the mid range you do find shitty capacities. The 1060 3GB is such an example, being rather similar to a 7970 but merely 2,5-3 years ago and not seven. Meanwhile, VRAM capacity requirements have soared. In some ways the 1050 with its 4GB is a more future proof choice.

The 970 was actually quite ahead of its time with the 4GB VRAM, albeit only 3.5GB was practically usable, it was still 'enough' for the card's performance. Until you really stretch it on SLI, but even then, Nvidia can play smart driver tricks, the card remained a decent performer post launch.

But its not just 'business practice' in the sense of business and money. The tight VRAM constraints of Nvidia cards have positive side effects: VRAM needs to be handled efficiently so you get a tighter driver regime (the response to VRAM problems is extremely quick most of the time, Nvidia knows its walking a fine line, clearly) because otherwise products simply don't work as advertised, which is a problem. You also get more and earlier progress on compression tech. Delta compression is still ahead of the curve @ green. And the result of thát is that they can make do with a smaller bus which leaves a bigger power budget for the core.

I'm not so sure one or the other approach is 'better', really. But yes, in the lower half of the midrange, you really gotta be careful with Nvidia cards. Not in the least because they have all sorts of memory across the stack, and its definitely a way to cap the performance for cheaper cards.

Some 7970s have 6G.
 
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the "open source" one is much worse…

Not in my experience, but I was treating it as a gamer, not a dev. It was a lot faster.
 
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Some 7970s have 6G.

Yeah but how many actually are out in the wild. Its the same as that rare GTX 670 4GB... that virtually no one has. And they're all still stuck to the same bus width anyway. Which was the main limiter at that time. NOW, that same card might actually perform better than its half VRAM counterpart.

The point with the 3GB 7970 is that the bus width was also scaled to that capacity, so it had a lot of headroom on the VRAM, and it came into good use.
 
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why are we talking about vram 8 years old cards in a thread about navi drivers ?
 
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a whole seriers abou that (pu it i n google translate if you need but the numbers speak for themselves)

babeltech also did their


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Because irrelevant nonsense , is so so often important to those that have no coin in the debate besides liking an argument, or winding up others.

Many should learn how to make their own thread's.
 

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Ditched 2 AMD cards in the past 5 years.

In 2015, bought R9 280X, was unhappy with the drivers and length of the card (less airflow in the case). Replaced it the next day with the more expensive GTX 970.

Last year, bought RX 580, drivers sucked, there were electrical issues with the card, replaced it twice, and then went with GTX 1070 for a bargain (40% off) after 5700 was annouced.
 
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Ditched 2 AMD cards in the past 5 years.

In 2015, bought R9 280X, was unhappy with the drivers and length of the card (less airflow in the case). Replaced it the next day with a GTX 970.

Last year, bought RX 580, drivers sucked, there were electrical issues with the card, replaced it twice, and then went with GTX 1070.
I actually loved the price/performance on my 7870GHz and 290 trix (had two in CF for a brief while),but DX11 cpu overhead was absolutely killing the performance in some games and that was with 2500K at 5GHz and DDR3 @2GHz.I don't think they ever fixed that.
Got rid of the second 290 quickly and the first one went when gtx 980 came out.Not looking back at amd since then - all nvidia cards I had were rock solid experience.

Sorry,but nvidia's running circles around amd driver team atm,how do you get rtx and dlss to work without crashing on launch but amd's navi still struggles with black screens since july.
 
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I'm of the opinion there's an on silicon bug of some kind with the power management. It seems to affect certain revisions and not others. At the moment I think the 5700 non-XT is harder hit.

If anyone is running a reference RX 5700 (non-XT), having issues, and wants to help prove that with me, please see here:


I mean, a bug is understandable, but if we can identify where it occurs and why, maybe we can at least provide a workaround for the affected cards and/or a justification for some RMA's. I just sorta wish AMD would do this on it's own, but meh, this is kinda how their cards work. Tweakfest it seems.
 
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I just got my 5700XT today and so far I am very pleased with it so far for the performance uplift from Vega
 

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When it works well, which we'd all assume is the majority of the time, it's a solid card for sure. Enjoy!
Yeah well I also have the advantage of being in the loop for fixes so I don't have many concerns at this point
 
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One thing I do love about AMD cards is man do they open the tweaking doors. SoftPowerPlay tables are just as powerful as bios editing, basically.

But yeah, pros and cons gents. Like anything. I'd say overall I got exactly what I wanted, and am pleased.

but DX11 cpu overhead was absolutely killing the performance in some games and that was with 2500K at 5GHz and DDR3 @2GHz.I don't think they ever fixed that.

I did an analysis of it then and repeated it without making charts recently.

At the time, I found overhead was not the issue, but rather that the driver was singlethreaded.

Fortunately, it does not appear to be strictly singlethreaded anymore, though it still scales rather poorly in DX11/OpenGL. That's the takeaway.
 
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One thing I do love about AMD cards is man do they open the tweaking doors. SoftPowerPlay tables are just as powerful as bios editing, basically.

But yeah, pros and cons gents. Like anything. I'd say overall I got exactly what I wanted, and am pleased.



I did an analysis of it then and repeated it without making charts recently.

At the time, I found overhead was not the issue, but rather that the driver was singlethreaded.

Fortunately, it does not appear to be strictly singlethreaded anymore, though it still scales rather poorly in DX11/OpenGL. That's the takeaway.
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I'm of the opinion there's an on silicon bug of some kind with the power management. It seems to affect certain revisions and not others.

There are numerous bugs in Navi10 as with most silicon. Some almost showstoppers. IIRC, A0/B0 steppings haven't been respun. I assume these are addressed in Navi12. Navi1x has an updated single cycle CU block & ISA on basically Vega setup.
 
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One thing I do love about AMD cards is man do they open the tweaking doors. SoftPowerPlay tables are just as powerful as bios editing, basically.

Still you cannot clock it more than is... they are software limited now, because it would brake their tier offerings... and that's utterly bad.
 
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My dear 5700XT... AMAZING when it works, annoying when the driver crashed, and it crashed a lot. I'm actually window shopping for 2070S and got my eye on Zotac or Inno3D solution, but leaning towards Zotac.

FYI, I just migrate my system from MSI B450 Tomahawk Max to Gigabyte B450-I with all components intact (3700X and 5700XT). So I did a clean install using Radeon drive 20.1.4 which I had downloaded a few weeks back, and holy [expletive]! I experienced major crashes. If I'm lucky I will get atikmdag.sys BSOD or Thread Exception Not Handled, some times, hard lock, but I know it's the GPU driver crash because every time, my Windows 10 spotlight lock screen resets to the default. I tried running stock, I even try underclocking + undervolting... No dice, crashed all the same.

BUT

If you guys notice, driver 20.1.4... You can't find it on AMD.com download page anymore...

Now I'm using the WHQL version which is the 20.1.3, so far one BSOD on cold boot and no other problem (yet). Played games, running stress test on 3Dmark, leaving torrent on for 24 hours.

However, should removing driver from the download page is already a sign something bad happened? I wish AMD would communicate with their customer better. I support a fair market to keep Nvidia in check or they will just up prices like they did with the 2000 series willy nilly.

My friend works for AMD country branch. He did remind to always use WHQL drivers, and I didn't follow through as I downloaded every driver revision from AMD like a hungry hippo. Now I'm sticking with 20.1.3 and so far with just one BSOD after a cold boot, looks good.... I hope I don't jinx it and crash my PC after this post. LOL.

So far I'm sticking with my 5700XT... That, and I'm helping a friend selling his 5700XT, damn hard to sell. So maybe for economic reason as well.
 

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There are numerous bugs in Navi10 as with most silicon. Some almost showstoppers. IIRC, A0/B0 steppings haven't been respun. I assume these are addressed in Navi12. Navi1x has an updated single cycle CU block & ISA on basically Vega setup.
Source? That’s a pretty bold claim to make without having some proof to back it up ...

My dear 5700XT... AMAZING when it works, annoying when the driver crashed, and it crashed a lot. I'm actually window shopping for 2070S and got my eye on Zotac or Inno3D solution, but leaning towards Zotac.

FYI, I just migrate my system from MSI B450 Tomahawk Max to Gigabyte B450-I with all components intact (3700X and 5700XT). So I did a clean install using Radeon drive 20.1.4 which I had downloaded a few weeks back, and holy [expletive]! I experienced major crashes. If I'm lucky I will get atikmdag.sys BSOD or Thread Exception Not Handled, some times, hard lock, but I know it's the GPU driver crash because every time, my Windows 10 spotlight lock screen resets to the default. I tried running stock, I even try underclocking + undervolting... No dice, crashed all the same.

BUT

If you guys notice, driver 20.1.4... You can't find it on AMD.com download page anymore...

Now I'm using the WHQL version which is the 20.1.3, so far one BSOD on cold boot and no other problem (yet). Played games, running stress test on 3Dmark, leaving torrent on for 24 hours.

However, should removing driver from the download page is already a sign something bad happened? I wish AMD would communicate with their customer better. I support a fair market to keep Nvidia in check or they will just up prices like they did with the 2000 series willy nilly.

My friend works for AMD country branch. He did remind to always use WHQL drivers, and I didn't follow through as I downloaded every driver revision from AMD like a hungry hippo. Now I'm sticking with 20.1.3 and so far with just one BSOD after a cold boot, looks good.... I hope I don't jinx it and crash my PC after this post. LOL.

So far I'm sticking with my 5700XT... That, and I'm helping a friend selling his 5700XT, damn hard to sell. So maybe for economic reason as well.
I think I can say this without getting into trouble but getting these driver fixed it of that absolute highest priority tight now.
 
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I think I can say this without getting into trouble but getting these driver fixed it of that absolute highest priority tight now.
I concur, I don't need all these fancy recording/streaming features, or even performance uptick, just a solid driver for every update and if possible a fix for maxed out VRAM clock for differing multi monitor refresh rate.

UPDATE... Well... Just got dxgmm2.sys BSOD... For crying out loud.
 
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I concur, I don't need all these fancy recording/streaming features, or even performance uptick, just a solid driver for every update and if possible a fix for maxed out VRAM clock for differing multi monitor refresh rate.

UPDATE... Well... Just got dxgmm2.sys BSOD... For crying out loud.
Hold on just awhile longer it should pay off when it all gets sorted. I’m really enjoying my experience so far and you should too
 
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@Midiamp have you tried older drivers? Like 19.x ?
 
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I wonder why some people bother posting so much profoundly fake news in such an experienced members forum.
 
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@Midiamp have you tried older drivers? Like 19.x ?
I'm downloading 19.12.3 (last WHQL 2019 Adrenalin) as I'm typing this. Let's see how it goes.

Hold on just awhile longer it should pay off when it all gets sorted. I’m really enjoying my experience so far and you should too
I'm very patient about this, however I'm between semester (am a lecturer) so I have free time to tinker, but comes new semester next week, my PC needs to be steadfast as I am. I hope AMD can update its driver soon.
 
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I'm downloading 19.12.3 (last WHQL 2019 Adrenali) as I'm typing this. Let's see how it goes.
Yeah for now that's honestly not a bad idea right now..
 
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