Corsair LPX 4600 on a MSI x570 board cant hit out of box

[Holdyn]

I just recently did a complete upgrade. only things the same are the drives. I'm on a MSI MEG x570 ACE latest bios update 1.92 ? beta, but was just on rev1.80 no change. Corsair Vengence LPX 4600 8x2 CMK16GX4M2K4600C19. No matter what I do in the bios the XMP profile shows what should be base timings but regardless of which profile loaded the PC wont post. Honestly the more Ive read into this the less I understood. Mostly there is not much on exact steps taken to get this memory even to the basic out of the box speed. At least that I've read. I really don't want to fry anything and although I am not exactly a rookie this is leaving me dumbfounded and completely at a loss. Ran Typhoon for the specs as shown but they seem to be conflicting, 1st run with typhoon so probably operator error, attached the txt. tried a few different calculators but just couldn't get them working, again operator error. Too many long nights trying to figure this out. I'm actually starting to wonder if I didn't maybe get a pair of bogus sticks currently I have gotten top speed right around 2000mhz that's it any changes to anything much outside of what the bios tries to do auto fails to boot. . Right now clear instructions on what to put where would be great ive fried my brain so bad on this I surprised I can still tie my shoes

 

[Regeneration]

Look for reviews of Corsair LPX 4600 on Ryzen 3000 and try to use their configuration.

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-4600 CL19 im Test

RAM kann man übertakten oder gleich ab Werk mit sehr hohen Taktraten kaufen. Corsairs Vengeance LPX DDR4-4600 beweist sich im Test.

www.computerbase.de

Are you using a profile from X-AMP?

 

[TheLostSwede]

Maybe try using the DRAM Calculator and enter the settings manually?

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For one, you're not in coupled mode for the Infinity Fabric which means lower performance and higher memory latency.
You don't want your RAM at anything over 3800MHz on AMD, as you'll just lose performance, since the IF is running at half speed.
As long as you don't play with memory Voltages over 1.4V, you're not likely to fry anything. Maybe not poke around too much with other Voltages if that's your main concern. Your modules require 1.5V at 4600MHz which is a bit insane imho.
You really bought too high-spec memory, but on the plus side, you might be able to run CAS14 at 3600 or 3800MHz, or something in-between.

 

[XL-R8R]

The only advise worth giving (at least from a logical standpoint) in a case like this, is to return the kit - purchasing something known to work well with this platform and not above IF 1:1 ratio - and save a bucket load of money and headache in the process.



Anyone purchasing sticks above 4000mhz for AMD builds are crazy.

 

[Holdyn]

Look for reviews of Corsair LPX 4600 on Ryzen 3000 and try to use their configuration.

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-4600 CL19 im Test

RAM kann man übertakten oder gleich ab Werk mit sehr hohen Taktraten kaufen. Corsairs Vengeance LPX DDR4-4600 beweist sich im Test.

www.computerbase.de

Are you using a profile from X-AMP?

Won't post on profile 2 for some reason and profile 1 is only 1833mhz all the timings get changed to the 15-15-15 set in the original post.

Maybe try using the DRAM Calculator and enter the settings manually?

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For one, you're not in coupled mode for the Infinity Fabric which means lower performance and higher memory latency.
You don't want your RAM at anything over 3800MHz on AMD, as you'll just lose performance, since the IF is running at half speed.
As long as you don't play with memory Voltages over 1.4V, you're not likely to fry anything. Maybe not poke around too much with other Voltages if that's your main concern. Your modules require 1.5V at 4600MHz which is a bit insane imho.
You really bought too high-spec memory, but on the plus side, you might be able to run CAS14 at 3600 or 3800MHz, or something in-between.

But the xmp profile calls for a 1.51 voltage and i think that's why it won't post. It's reading as a voltage anomoly

I've read a ton of reviews over the past 5 days 6 days none of them explained just what the times are or just what needs to be done with this particular board to get it to even gas Post at more than 2,000 megahertz because of the voltage I'm thinking honestly I'm at a complete loss here.

I tried to do around calculator he said it's not supported will says it's only supported on fast and 82 setting should I do that is not supported so that didn't work. Operator error I'm sure

Sorry talk to text. Please forgive any typos or grammitcal errors. Driving into work.

 

[XL-R8R]

Return this Intel kit and buy something that works with your AMD build...... @Holdyn


1.5v on the RAM is gonna kill the IMC in the 3700x.

 

[Bones]

Some sets just don't work with certain boards and Corsair is one that has been known to have compatability issues at times. It's fair to say they all do because it's true but for some reason Corsair comes up way too often.

I'd return those and grab a set of G.Skills instead.
G.Skill sets tend to do well overall - I've rarely heard anything about compatability issues with them vs what I've seen about sets of Corsair sticks.

As an example of what your board should be capable of:

This is the set of G.Skills I use: G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Intel Z170 / Z270 / Z370 / X299 Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-16GTZSW - Newegg.com
Here's what my set did: Bones`s Memory Frequency score: 2232.8 MHz with a DDR4 SDRAM

Be aware I wasn't laying back with the voltage doing this.

Your board has the capability to push a set so I doubt it's the board itself aside from the BETA BIOS you flashed in.
I'd go back to the latest non-BETA version and work it from there at least and stay away from those in the future - Although they could unlock alot of performance BETA can also mean alot of headaches.

 

[Cranky5150]

I have always had B die corsair and have never had a problem with any kit from the, With that being said anything is possible when it comes to ram from anybody. Why such high speed also ?

 

[basco]

in the linked review at computerbase they say:
they could not boot with xmp profile. highest booted was 3533mhz
very hard walls are:
over 3800mhz no matter the volts tRCDRD could not be lowered under 17 and tRP not under 16.
over 4400mhz even more relaxed tRCD (RD und WR) + tRP

Highest stable config:
DDR4-4400 16-22-24-23-40-56-352-1T with 1,51 Volt

if ya need something translated from the review just ask

 

[Holdyn]

The only advise worth giving (at least from a logical standpoint) in a case like this, is to return the kit - purchasing something known to work well with this platform and not above IF 1:1 ratio - and save a bucket load of money and headache in the process.



Anyone purchasing sticks above 4000mhz for AMD builds are crazy.

Strange when I started planning this and began looking at the AMD lineups for this or

Some sets just don't work with certain boards and Corsair is one that has been known to have compatability issues at times. It's fair to say they all do because it's true but for some reason Corsair comes up way too often.

I'd return those and grab a set of G.Skills instead.
G.Skill sets tend to do well overall - I've rarely heard anything about compatability issues with them vs what I've seen about sets of Corsair sticks.

As an example of what your board should be capable of:

This is the set of G.Skills I use: G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Intel Z170 / Z270 / Z370 / X299 Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-16GTZSW - Newegg.com
Here's what my set did: Bones`s Memory Frequency score: 2232.8 MHz with a DDR4 SDRAM

Be aware I wasn't laying back with the voltage doing this.

Your board has the capability to push a set so I doubt it's the board itself aside from the BETA BIOS you flashed in.
I'd go back to the latest non-BETA version and work it from there at least and stay away from those in the future - Although they could unlock alot of performance BETA can also mean alot of headaches.

I had same problems with the older bios and can't return them, so I'm stuck I guess for the moment. What I can't understand is multie articles say it was done but they just don't say how

in the linked review at computerbase they say:
they could not boot with xmp profile. highest booted was 3533mhz
very hard walls are:
over 3800mhz no matter the volts tRCDRD could not be lowered under 17 and tRP not under 16.
over 4400mhz even more relaxed tRCD (RD und WR) + tRP

Highest stable config:
DDR4-4400 16-22-24-23-40-56-352-1T with 1,51 Volt

if ya need something translated from the review just ask

that you I appreciate it, that will help tremedously, as soon as I figure out how to disable the board protection against over voltage because anything over 1.49 wont post I do believe

I have always had B die corsair and have never had a problem with any kit from the, With that being said anything is possible when it comes to ram from anybody. Why such high speed also ?

because I got a screaming deal on them and sorta planning for whatever comes down the slide in the way of the upgraded PCI-e formats, really looking for screaming access times with the nvm's

 

[sneekypeet]

Corsair told me most times it take CAS20 for them to run with AMD, and that is hoping your IMC is good enough to do it.

 

[Holdyn]

Strange when I started planning this and began looking at the AMD lineups for this or

I had same problems with the older bios and can't return them, so I'm stuck I guess for the moment. What I can't understand is multiple articles say it was done but they just don't say how

that you I appreciate it, that will help tremendously, as soon as I figure out how to disable the board protection against over voltage because anything over 1.49 wont post I do believe


because I got a screaming deal on them and sorta planning for whatever comes down the slide in the way of the upgraded PCI-e formats, really looking for screaming access times with the nvm's

plus MSI was claiming even higher, which seemed to be corroborated in other articles. and Im an architect by trade high speed 3d rendering is a definite draw

 

[nguyen]

plus MSI was claiming even higher, which seemed to be corroborated in other articles. and Im an architect by trade high speed 3d rendering is a definite draw

Your memory kit is not listed in the Memory QVL, can you blame MSI ?

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Also in the QVL there are the G.SKill 4600 Cas18 and 4800 Cas18, a Galax 4600 kits but your particular kit is not there, maybe settle at a lower frequency for now and wait for a new bios ?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Return this Intel kit and buy something that works with your AMD build...... @Holdyn


1.5v on the RAM is gonna kill the IMC in the 3700x.

1.5v on RAM would kill the IMC in an Intel chip too. Hell even 1.4v could do it too. (24/7)

 

[thesmokingman]

Corsair ram...

And ofc

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[MxPhenom 216]

Corsair ram...

And ofc

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The latency introduced at 4000 destroys any benefit of that clock speed. I havent looked into RAM performance with Ryzen much, but that graph shows a pretty clean cut conclusion. Ryzen architecture also has considerable amount of latency within the cores, so tighter RAM timing can make up for that a little bit.

 

[Caring1]

currently I have gotten top speed right around 2000mhz that's it any changes to anything much outside of what the bios tries to do auto fails to boot.

It shows 2133MHz which is fall back default after failing to boot.

 

[Holdyn]

It shows 2133MHz which is fall back default after failing to boot.

right but thats the highest itll go both XMP profiles wont post, reolled back to previous bios and now 2nd xmp profile is gone. But this is certainly operator error. According to what I read earlier The MSI x570 ACE is compatible with Corsair LPX 4600's but the RGB variance apparently because I didnt go the pretty lights I am SOL, but on the bright side found a local set of gskill 3600's so just go that route.... Anybody have an intel board?

That's a joke

 

[Woomack]

On X570 is much easier to set 4600+ using Hynix or Micron based RAM than anything on Samsung. My Samsung B kits usually give up at ~4600 while multiple Micron/Hynix kits went easily up to 4800-5000, where the limit caused the IMC. This is one of the reasons why all new Corsair and any other brand 4600+ kits are dedicated for Ryzen 3000/X570 and are based on Micron E (maybe some on new Hynix but I haven't seen anything yet).

For Samsung B the best are settings up to 3800 and tight timings like CL14, or at 1:2 IF ratio something like 4133-4266 and as tight timings as you can. Usually something like CL14-16. I have no idea how it looks like in MSI X570 but ASUS boards have profiles that are ending at 4133 CL13 for Samsung RAM and up to 5000 for Hynix/Micron.

You can check something like 4600 18-24-24 ~1.50-1.60V and if you make it run like that then try tightening the timings and lowering voltages. More likely you will be able to stabilize it at ~4400 16-18-18 or something near that.