AMD's next-gen RDNA 2 rumor: 40-50% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

[Kanan]

AMD has a lot of ground to make up. If they can release a new GPU with great drivers from day 1, THIS would show people that things have changed. Or will it be faulty again, for experts and tweakers, but not for everyday people, who just wanna install and play? RDNA 2 has the potential to be great, but drivers are the main thing, when it comes to GPUs, that's the funny thing about it. And then there is to hope the reference design coolers are well made, and not subpar again. Nvidia is reckless, if AMD can't be comparable to their high quality level, they will stay at their low percentage market share forever. The literal reason why Nvidia has won, even in desperate times, is marketing and good drivers, but it all started with the reckless marketing. They also more or less always delivered, had great products, especially since GTX 600 series. No loud and hot memes anymore, well balanced products. AMD has to be like Nvidia or better, in order to win. Ryzen is a great product, that's why it is winning. Can Radeon be like Ryzen? That is what waits to be seen.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I just pointed out to someone which openly admitted that they were

I never said that I was. I said that I just favored one brand over the other. That's not being blind. If that's the case that can be used in an example if you like Charmin toilet paper over Angel soft. One's not being blind to the other. It's just down to personal preference. Stop confusing the two.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I never said that I was. I said that I just favored one brand over the other. That's not being blind. If that's the case that can be used in an example if you like Charmin toilet paper over Angel soft. One's not being blind to the other. It's just down to personal preference. Stop confusing the two.

this is very fair.

you know what is not - a clown who preaches how good the other brand is and how people are not objective not buying it but he himself has a history of buying the other one only.

 

[Frick]

I never said that I was. I said that I just favored one brand over the other. That's not being blind. If that's the case that can be used in an example if you like Charmin toilet paper over Angel soft. One's not being blind to the other. It's just down to personal preference. Stop confusing the two.

This is nitpicking, and you have a decent point, but toilet paper definitely is preference only. GPUs have clear performance/price ratios (X is %faster than Y but uses %more power than Y).

 

[Calmmo]

Can we please stop calling rumours fake news? The two aren't related and shouldn't be used interchangeably.

When it comes to radeon performance - rumours have been proven to be fake. At least my memory doesnt go back enough to recall a point in time when they were true.
They boil down to "radeon amazing otherworldly performance incoming" only to be proven false.

I'll believe it when i see it.
(it'd be great if it does to be clear)

 

[Lindatje]

Do you believe what you just said, apple owners frequently say the same things, then always buy apple, does it really matter what reviews say at that point, no.

The Apple comparison does not hold. Only Apple has MacOS / IOS.
With Nvidia you can play games and with AMD you can play the same games so that's something different.

But the AMD drivers are still bad.

 

[Kanan]

But the AMD drivers are still bad.

People will never stop to say this, even if drivers are fine. Endless meme achieved.

 

[Vya Domus]

People will never stop to say this, even if drivers are fine. Endless meme achieved.

Don't forget the hot and loud meme.

 

[Kanan]

Don't forget the hot and loud meme.

Well but that's AMDs own fault again, the ref cooler of 5700 series wasn't exactly good. That's why I hope the new coolers will be better. I think they will have 2 normal fans, no blower anymore.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The Apple comparison does not hold. Only Apple has MacOS / IOS.
With Nvidia you can play games and with AMD you can play the same games so that's something different.

But the AMD drivers are still bad.

The guy I was talking to highlighted Nvidia's features like Ansel, shadow play.

I was talking about brand loyalty, so it was the same.

Nice baiting though I chuckled.

 

[kapone32]

"They don't have a competitive sub $200 GPU". Show me a competitive sub $200 from anybody. There is something most people are forgetting in this debate. After Tahiti AMD had no money to create a new node as the R9 380 shows. Polaris was a financial success for AMD and gave them (and the consoles) enough money to totally develop a new node in the form of Navi, as evidenced by the teething issues that any new node has (X299 anyone). The fact that AMD trades at $48 to $50 a share also has relevance in the theory that a 900% increase in share price should allow for a lot more R&D. 1st gen Ryzen had some memory compatibility issues. 2nd Gen Ryzen solved all the memory issues. I see 2nd Gen Navi being rock solid because it will not just be in PCs but also consoles so you know it's been tested thoroughly. The elephant in the room is that Nvidia has increased the price of it's entire stack. As they are the leader in the space it means AMD too has to increase the price of their stack. As an example I can buy a Ryzen4 laptop with a 2060M for less than a 2080Ti. Much less I can buy prebuilts with 2070 or 5700XT for less money than a 2080TI. The 5700XT is around $700 here in Canada. I expect big Navi to start at $799 US or $1100 Canadian. If it is is as fast or faster than a 2080TI at that price point it will make sense from an objective standpoint.

 

[Kanan]

The guy I was talking to highlighted Nvidia's features like Ansel, shadow play.

I was talking about brand loyalty, so it was the same.

Nice baiting though I chuckled.

Ansel is meaningless, Shadowplay is nothing special. 780 Ti 980 Ti 1080 Ti owner here. I had 2 Radeons and both were great, second card was even Crossfire (HD 5970) and only 1 F2P game didn't work properly (Path of Exile). Everything else was great. I bet I could've bought RX 5700 XT on day one and it would've been fine, I just didn't want to take the risk back then. But if you're experienced user it will all work out anyway. What i want for AMD is rock solid drivers, idiot-proof, and more people helping AMD to break the fanboy powered mindshare nvidia has. It will benefit everyone if we have a more balanced market for GPUs.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

This is nitpicking, and you have a decent point, but toilet paper definitely is preference only. GPUs have clear performance/price ratios (X is %faster than Y but uses %more power than Y).

Ok bad example. But you get my point.

 

[Lindatje]

[/QUOTE[/QUOTE]

The guy I was talking to highlighted Nvidia's features like Ansel, shadow play.

I was talking about brand loyalty, so it was the same.

Nice baiting though I chuckled.

No it’s not the same. Where can you buy a smartphone/tablet with IOS that is not from Apple? Same with MacOS.

People will never stop to say this, even if drivers are fine. Endless meme achieved.

I have used AMD GPU’s for many years now, 2020
is the year I bought Nvidia because I started getting tired of driver problems at AMD.
If there is someone who has almost only used AMD GPUs, it is me.

 

[wickerman]

The gpu market is littered with examples of giant leaps in performance over a companies previous gen products, and it's also full of titanic failures where one competitor fell behind for generations at a time. So really nothing should come as a surprise to us anymore, regardless of which side of that line RDNA 2 lands. But, AMD has had massive success with Ryzen and AMD knew what it had on its hands long before we did. If they chose to dump the fruits of that success (money, talent, R&D, etc) into the graphics division we really should be expecting that to pay off right about now. So maybe big RDNA 2 gpus will actually manage to something we havn't seen in a while - a clear win for AMDs graphics division... outside of APUs of course, where AMD really has done well to make integrated graphics more than just the most basic tech capable of animated UIs and video playback.

When its time to upgrade my 2080, I'll still be reading the reviews to determine the best card for my needs. I really don't see a downside to getting to read deep dives and extensive testing to make that choice, so I'd like these rumors to come true.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Oh good, it's time to spin up the "2x faster than NVIDIA" rumour again. This one seems to come up every year and it never turns out to be true, yet people are happy to parrot it relentlessly regardless. Even better when it comes from an arbitrary YouTube personality with zero credibility!

To be accurate, the rumor is that Navi2x means 2X the performance of Navi 10, so the 5700XT, not the 2080Ti.

You can infer what that would mean for the 208TI, but it's definitely not 2X.

To the OT, I would expect Big Navi to have 2X the performance, it's really easy, given that Navi10 is only 40CU and that they are moving to a better node.
Does that mean that it will be better than Nvidia 3080 Ti? No idea, Nvidia is not wasting time either. What matters in the end for most people is how much these cards will cost, and that is decided at the last minute.

Should be people selling their 2080TI now? Yes, they should, I hear they still can get a great price right now due to shortages and I bet in 6 months they will be worth half as much.

 

[Divide Overflow]

I'll wait for the hand's on reviews and advise everyone else to do the same. You are responsible for managing your own expectations.
I do hope that AMD has finally caught up to Nvidia in the performance GPU market. Healthy competition is a win for consumers!

 

[Kanan]

The gpu market is littered with examples of giant leaps in performance over a companies previous gen products, and it's also full of titanic failures where one competitor fell behind for generations at a time. So really nothing should come as a surprise to us anymore, regardless of which side of that line RDNA 2 lands. But, AMD has had massive success with Ryzen and AMD knew what it had on its hands long before we did. If they chose to dump the fruits of that success (money, talent, R&D, etc) into the graphics division we really should be expecting that to pay off right about now. So maybe big RDNA 2 gpus will actually manage to something we havn't seen in a while - a clear win for AMDs graphics division... outside of APUs of course, where AMD really has done well to make integrated graphics more than just the most basic tech capable of animated UIs and video playback.

When its time to upgrade my 2080, I'll still be reading the reviews to determine the best card for my needs. I really don't see a downside to getting to read deep dives and extensive testing to make that choice, so I'd like these rumors to come true.

RDNA 2 will be good, because it is the now finished RDNA architecure, or what RDNA should've been from the start. The GCN elements are gone, it will be completely new, so big improvements are to be expected, just how big, is what is to be awaited.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm still sticking with my initial guess that big navi/rdna2 will fall somewhere between a 2080ti and Ampre's flagship (non titan). My biggest question is power use to get there on the same process...

Whereas on the NV side, its a new arch plus a die shrink.

 

[BoboOOZ]

I'm still sticking with my initial guess that big navi/rdna2 will fall somewhere between a 2080ti and Ampre's flagship (non titan). My biggest question is power use to get there on the same process...

Whereas on the NV side, its a new arch plus a die shrink.

7nm EUV is 20% denser than 7nm, so there is a gain for RDNA2, too

7 nm lithography process - WikiChip

The 7 nanometer (7 nm) lithography process is a technology node semiconductor manufacturing process following the 10 nm process node. Mass production of integrated circuit fabricated using a 7 nm process began in 2018. The process technology will be phased out by leading-edge foundries by...

en.wikichip.org

 

[EarthDog]

7nm EUV is 20% denser than 7nm, so there is a gain for RDNA2, too

7 nm lithography process - WikiChip

The 7 nanometer (7 nm) lithography process is a technology node semiconductor manufacturing process following the 10 nm process node. Mass production of integrated circuit fabricated using a 7 nm process began in 2018. The process technology will be phased out by leading-edge foundries by...

en.wikichip.org

That's good. They'll need it.

 

[BoboOOZ]

That's good. They'll need it.

We need it, we are the ones who want moar performance

 

[EarthDog]

We need it, we are the ones who want moar performance

I'm not worried about them being in the ball park for flagship performance, more so the power it takes to get there comparitively. We see how the reference 5700XT seemed to be using more power (at least 10% more) than a FE (faster than reference) 2070 and just as fast (that changed down low with 5500XT IIRC). While that isn't a deal breaker for many, that was at 7nm vs 12nm(?) for Nvidia. Now NV is shrinking and AMD is tweaking...I worry that gap will grow which could turn off some users.

 

[BoboOOZ]

I'm not worried about them being in the ball park for flagship performance, more so the power it takes to get there comparitively. We see how the reference 5700XT seemed to be using more power (at least 10% more) than a FE (faster than reference) 2070 and just as fast (that changed down low with 5500XT IIRC). While that isn't a deal breaker for many, that was at 7nm vs 12nm(?) for Nvidia. Now NV is shrinking and AMD is tweaking...I worry that gap will grow which could turn off some users.

Well, AMD really OC'd the crap out of the 5700XT, I guess it was their strategy to make some money after selling the Radeon VII at a loss.

If competition remains high, I imagine both AMD and Nvidia will leave less and less performance on the table, so we will see TDP's going higher and higher.
Personally I don't mind having a 350W card, I just need to read the reviews to make sure the cooling solution is adequate. In practice, I tend to restrict the TDP of my card depending on the game I play, with the option of having the full performance only for when it's truly needed.

 

[bug]

Have said months ago that if Navi21 has 80CUs it will end up being 30-40% faster than stock 2080Ti while consuming ~250W. If clocks are pushed higher it will get ~10% more performance and will consume 300W. Maybe a limited WC and more expensive model will be made to reach max clockspeeds.

Wow, you're so good you actually know the power draw. Kudos, dude.

I, for one, hope the rumor is true (yeah, yeah, I know better), because we really need more HP in the mid-range for 4k gaming to actually become mainstream.