MSI allegedly attempts to pay off a Youtuber not to post a negative review

[EarthDog]

Can't say we've (my site and who I work for currently) have run into this over the last 10 years from anyone. When there is something wrong with a product, I reach out (as this dude did) and ask to work it out. If we can't, a fix usually happens or admitting that is the way it should work. Out of the hundreds of reviews I've written or edited and published, we haven't seen this.

I dont buy the msi is shady crap from some of the shoddy evidence posted here, thats for sure.

MSi used to be right up there with chaintech, ecs, and pcchips. To me they are still junk, just lipstick on a pig. But I haven't used anything from them in years.. So I could be wrong. ASRock should be in that list too, but I am using one right now.. and its a bit of a beast

MSI was never considered that tier of partner. Sorry.

ASRock also makes some good shiza...and has for a few/several years at this point.

The market is not totay dominated by Asus and Gigabyte.

 

[Chomiq]

Where's the evidence? Does the video include anything like that or is it "I'm going to tell you a story... Don't forget to like share and subscribe!"?

 

[EarthDog]

Where's the evidence? Does the video include anything like that or is it "I'm going to tell you a story... Don't forget to like share and subscribe!"?

Your forgot...

If you dont subscribe right now, all your fortnite skins will disappear.

 

[Kanan]

I dont buy the msi is shady crap from some of the shoddy evidence posted here, thats for sure.

Sometimes people can't even see the most obvious things, when they simply don't want to. There are countless news sites which reported malbehavior of MSI, also youtubers who worked with MSI. I would say you lack information. Then there are thousands of people who reported bad support practices of MSI. It is rather a fact that MSI is dubious, than it is to be questioned if the company is not.

As a counter example: Gigabyte was never involved in these dubious things. Neither was Asus or any other similar company, it is just MSI with these sorts of scandals. Things are more than obvious.

 

[EarthDog]

Sometimes people can't even see the most obvious things, when they simply don't want to. There are countless news sites which reported malbehavior of MSI, also youtubers who worked with MSI. I would say you lack information. Then there are thousands of people who reported bad support practices of MSI. It is rather a fact that MSI is dubious, than it is to be questioned if the company is not.

As a counter example: Gigabyte was never involved in these dubious things. Neither was Asus or any other similar company, it is just MSI with these sorts of scandals. Things are more than obvious.

Let me clarify... i don't think it is a systemic problem within MSI. Shiza happens. Ive had companies ask me not to publish negative things, but never bribed us.

Edit: I take that back... do you consider it to be bribery to withhold further samples? That has happened in the past...and not with MSI...

 

[kapone32]

The only thing I know for sure is that I would buy an MSI product before Gigabyte and that is based on experience. I just built a budget system using a Gigabyte Rx 570 and the card would run for about 15 minutes in a game and then shut down. I removed the 6 screws that hold the card together and lo and behold not enough TP on the chip.

 

[Kanan]

Edit: I take that back... do you consider it to be bribery to withhold further samples? That has happened in the past...and not with MSI...

Bribery is always, if someone is giving you something, not if they don't do it. Of course it is shady, and that is exactly why a good reviewer or news site has to be independent, and never accept things. Either that, or he accepts things, and if one company doesn't send things, what then? He has to buy it then. HWUB the youtube channel, does not get things from Asus for example, and had to buy multiple things in the past, does it influence reviews? Yes. Apparently they get items from every important company but not Asus, and that leads them to be more critical with them. That's why i say, independence is very important. Humans are not neutral, they can only try to be as neutral as possible. If someone lays stones in front of you, you don't take it lightly, you will at least notice it.

Let me clarify... i don't think it is a systemic problem within MSI.

And I think the contrary. My belief is, that MSI is lead by people that let negative things happen because they don't care, or even incenting their co workers to do it. If so much misbehavior is reported about one company, you can downplay it one time, two times, but it happened too often now with MSI.

 

[EarthDog]

We'll agree to disagree.

The only thing I know for sure is that I would buy an MSI product before Gigabyte and that is based on experience.

Don't let a bad experience scare you off of an entire brand. You've been around here and posted enough to know every single user here has a horror story from [insert brand here] but the reality is quite high that you won't see the same issue.... look at the AMD black screen thing that has plagued Navi since release... it's bad that it still exists after so much time... but is it effecting 2.5 of every 100 which is how many more times normal problems (made up numbers there...note... just trying to say while the issue is real and effects a lot of people, % wise it is very little - but in this case, can be concerning).

 

[Kanan]

The only thing I know for sure is that I would buy an MSI product before Gigabyte and that is based on experience. I just built a budget system using a Gigabyte Rx 570 and the card would run for about 15 minutes in a game and then shut down. I removed the 6 screws that hold the card together and lo and behold not enough TP on the chip.

Gigabyte now has a premium sub brand called Aorus, this is where their quality stuff is now, and everything else is possibly sub-par. Just saying.

 

[EarthDog]

Gigabyte now has a premium sub brand called Aorus, this is where their quality stuff is now, and everything else is possibly sub-par. Just saying.

By their marketing... Aorus is a premium Gaming brand of Giga. Like ROG, yep.

 

[Kanan]

By their marketing... Aorus is a premium Gaming brand of Giga. Like ROG, yep.

Not only that, it is their best stuff now. It is situated a tier above everything they release as Gigabyte. Aorus is the equivalent to ROG or TUF.

 

[EarthDog]

Not only that, it is their best stuff now. It is situated a tier above everything they release as Gigabyte. Aorus is the equivalent to ROG or TUF.

TUF took a dump, bud.... they are now on the low end the last couple of gens.

EDIT: Remember when TUF meant shrouds and armor and more robust power delivery, etc? It isn't that now.

 

[Kanan]

TUF took a dump, bud.... they are now on the low end the last couple of gens.

Not anymore, I have read numerous reviews about the mainboard I'm using atm, and it was analysed being high quality and having better power stages than everything else at the ~200 € mark, comparable to 250€ boards. @buildzoid did a proper analysis for example, if you are interested. On the other hand, they released a 5700 XT model which was garbage, but then re-released it, after it was much criticized by various outlets. This re-release was tested to be good. You could say TUF is a mess, but the quality, at least in these two examples, is good.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was just watching the video, the criticism seems valid, and not unreasonable too me at least.

I have no problem with the review. I have a problem with the claims made on twitter. I have a VERY hard time believing that MSI would attempt to bribe anyone(for fear of this kind of crap if nothing else) and I have an equally hard time believing that AMD would be a party to it on any level. I'm calling BS on those claims.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

seems like he later clarified that amd were on his side.his initial comment was ambiguous.sounded like msi had amd take care of it.

tbh thats what it sounded like on the techspot article. It sounded like MSI got AMD involved and tried to make AMD do the dirty work and make the guy take down the review when their bribe failed but AMD sided with the reviewer after watching the review...

 

[lexluthermiester]

It sounded like MSI got AMD involved and tried to make AMD do the dirty work and make the guy take down the review when their bribe failed but AMD sided with the reviewer after watching the review...

That sounds so unlikely as to seem absurd(not you personally, just the notion of those events actually taking place). What I think is far more likely is that the Youtuber in question is over-exaggerating to stir the pot, making something out of nothing to get views and channel exposure.

 

[cucker tarlson]

TUF took a dump, bud.... they are now on the low end the last couple of gens.

EDIT: Remember when TUF meant shrouds and armor and more robust power delivery, etc? It isn't that now.

he is actually right
aorus is equivalent to rog or tuf
and to strix
it's a gaming brand.and it's anywhere from mid-range to ultra high end.

but yeah,aorus stuff is better than tuf.

 

[EarthDog]

Not anymore, I have read numerous reviews about the mainboard I'm using atm, and it was analysed being high quality and having better power stages than everything else at the ~200 € mark, comparable to 250€ boards. @buildzoid did a proper analysis for example, if you are interested. On the other hand, they released a 5700 XT model which was garbage, but then re-released it, after it was much criticized by various outlets. This re-release was tested to be good. You could say TUF is a mess, but the quality, at least in these two examples, is good.

You misiunderstood, I think. Now they are pushed down the product stack than they were a few years ago. Don't mistake more robust VRMs on a platform (X570/B550) a mark of where a specific motherboard stands in the product stack. Even the low end boards should support 3900x+ and more robust power delivery is required for such support.

Low-end may be a bit harsh... mid-range at best? I don't know.. either way the TUF brand isn't what it used to be.

EDIT: ROG Maximus, ROG Strix, Prime/TUF, no?

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he is actually right
aorus is equivalent to rog or tuf
and to strix
it's a gaming brand.and it's anywhere from mid-range to ultra high end.

but yeah,aorus stuff is better than tuf.

I said exactly that already...

...or are you supporting me? lol

 

[cucker tarlson]

You misiunderstood, I think. Now they are pushed down the product stack than they were a few years ago. Don't mistake more robust VRMs on a platform (X570/B550) a mark of where a specific motherboard stands in the product stack. Even the low end boards should support 3900x+ and more robust power delivery is required for such support.

Low-end may be a bit harsh... mid-range at best? I don't know.. either way the TUF brand isn't what it used to be.

I said exactly that already...

tuf was pushed down cause the space it occupied was more suitable for fancier looks that don't go well with tuf branding
strix is the new tuf

 

[Kanan]

You misiunderstood, I think. Now they are pushed down the product stack then they were a few years ago. Don't mistake more robust VRMs on a platform (X570/B550) a mark of where a specific motherboard stands in the product stack.

You are wrong again. TUF is directly situated under the ROG boards, and directly above the PRIME boards of Asus. As GPU stuff, there is not much and it is second tier again to ROG. And with monitors, it is the second highest as well. They have a great IPS 165 Hz Gsync monitor which is named TUF. I know it is hard for you to be wrong, but that shit can happen when you talk to someone who really knows his stuff.

 

[EarthDog]

You are wrong again. TUF is directly situated under the ROG boards, and directly above the PRIME boards of Asus. As GPU stuff, there is not much and it is second tier again to ROG. And with monitors, it is the second highest as well. They have a great IPS 165 Hz Gsync monitor which is named TUF. I know it is hard for you to be wrong, but that shit can happen when you talk to someone who really knows his stuff.

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Looks to me that the Prime and TUF boards are the least expensive, no? Sure some Strix mix in, but, my point remains.

EDIT: Note I'm only talking motherboards...

Gaming = Strix line... yes. lol. Strix isn't the TUF line though... not at all. TUF was more of a gimmick when it started, really and had one or two boards per chipset. TUF now is just...... mid-range at best.

 

[Kanan]

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Meaningless, we talk about quality here and pricing is different everywhere. TUF as of late, has great quality. End of story.

 

[Kanan]

no way strix is there

Can you formulate a coherent sentence?

 

[cucker tarlson]

You are wrong again. TUF is directly situated under the ROG boards, and directly above the PRIME boards of Asus. As GPU stuff, there is not much and it is second tier again to ROG. And with monitors, it is the second highest as well. They have a great IPS 165 Hz Gsync monitor which is named TUF. I know it is hard for you to be wrong, but that shit can happen when you talk to someone who really knows his stuff.

no way,strix is there

Meaningless, we talk about quality here and pricing is different everywhere. TUF as of late, has great quality. End of story.

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tuf - B quality vrm and B quality overall.strix's are A/B+
aorus elite is A-quality vrm and A-quality overall

 

[EarthDog]

no way strix is there

Strix has several boards... it's for 'gaming'. Some are cheap, others cross into the high-end territory.

Can you formulate a coherent sentence?

Weren't you banned for quite a while for things like this... let's stick to facts and a discussion instead of throwing out barbs....