1st AMD build: Trouble finding compatible RAM Kit for ASUS X570 mobo

[jmsalal]

Hi all,

I'm having a really difficult time locating compatible RAM for an ASUS TUF X570-plus (Wi-Fi) motherboard.

I'm wanting to install a 64Gb/3200MHz kit, either 2 or 4 DIMMs, without overclocking. My overall issue is finding such a kit on the ASUS QVL. The only kit I can find in stock is 3600MHz, which I'd rather not pay for if the CPU (3900X) only handles 3200MHz. I've found some others, but most are Hynix chips, which I hear gives Ryzen builds grief. Corsair shows compatible kits, but every one has a specific Version #. I've also heard anecdotally that there's no way to know what version you'll get when you order, and I don't want to have to RMA.

Since this is my first AMD build, I'm apprehensive about choosing the right hardware. This may just be the nature of AMD vs Intel. My goal is to buy something that runs at advertised speeds at stock with a minimum of configuring (basic BIOS only). I have no experience with XMP or DOCP, and I'm not comfortable adjusting timings, latencies, or voltages. Will this be a major issue?

If anyone could offer advice on a good compatible "out-of-the-box" kit, I would be most grateful.

Thanks in advance!

 

[JustAnEngineer]

DDR4-3600 is a good match for Ryzen 3000. Enable DOCP to use the XMP profile and it should run fine with a 1:1 infinity fabric ratio.

Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

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Crucial Ballistix 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

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[mtcn77]

Also, AMD's specification which is not available in motherboard dram configuration lists, can be found on memory vendors. The actual designation is 'AMP' contemporary to Intel's 'XMP', but you may find them enlisted for "memory for AMD systems".

Another point is that dram has seperate profiles, it will get you the same if not better better performance at faster timings. One distinct tertiary timing that really benefits system performance is tRFC.

What Are Memory Timings? CAS Latency, tRCD, tRP, & tRAS (Pt 1) | GamersNexus

stub Frequency is the most advertised spec of RAM. As anyone who’s dug a little deeper knows, memory performance depends on timings as well--and not just the primary ones. We found this out the hard way while doing comparative testing for an article on extremely high frequency memory which...

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[jmsalal]

DDR4-3600 is a good match for Ryzen 3000. Enable DOCP to use the XMP profile and it should run fine with a 1:1 infinity fabric ratio.

Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Crucial Ballistix 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Thank you very much! I did a QVL check on the ASUS list but didn't see these listed. Is it as huge a consequence as what most reviewers make it out to be?

Looks like I need to research a bit more on RAM in general. Thanks again!

 

[8BitZ80]

If you check the QVL for 32GB and 16GB kits of the same RAM, you should find them listed there. They rarely test the large-capacity kits.

 

[GLD]

Check my specs. Same board as yours, running 3600 ram nicely.

 

[jmsalal]

Also, AMD's specification which is not available in motherboard dram configuration lists, can be found on memory vendors. The actual designation is 'AMP' contemporary to Intel's 'XMP', but you may find them enlisted for "memory for AMD systems".

Another point is that dram has seperate profiles, it will get you the same if not better better performance at faster timings. One distinct tertiary timing that really benefits system performance is tRFC.

What Are Memory Timings? CAS Latency, tRCD, tRP, & tRAS (Pt 1) | GamersNexus

stub Frequency is the most advertised spec of RAM. As anyone who’s dug a little deeper knows, memory performance depends on timings as well--and not just the primary ones. We found this out the hard way while doing comparative testing for an article on extremely high frequency memory which...

www.gamersnexus.net

Wow! So I should hypothetically be able to visit Corsair, Crucial, G. Skill, etc, and find out if a specific kit is compatible with the motherboard (like a reverse QVL)? I've always taken the mobo QVLs as gospel with my Intel builds and never had an issue. To compound things more, I've heard that AMD-based setups are much pickier than Intel ones. I have much to learn lol. Thanks for the info!

If you check the QVL for 32GB and 16GB kits of the same RAM, you should find them listed there. They rarely test the large-capacity kits.

Ah, I see. That explains why so few were on the list. My understanding has been that it's a big gamble if a kit deviates from the QVL and want to have as few headaches and snags as possible. But, you're saying that if a 32 Gb kit of the same frequency and # of DIMMs is supported that a 64 Gb kit of the same brand and specs should work as well?

DDR4-3600 is a good match for Ryzen 3000. Enable DOCP to use the XMP profile and it should run fine with a 1:1 infinity fabric ratio.

Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Crucial Ballistix 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

I need to familiarize myself with an infinity fabric ratio. Thanks for the info!

 

[Caring1]

Ah, I see. That explains why so few were on the list. My understanding has been that it's a big gamble if a kit deviates from the QVL and want to have as few headaches and snags as possible. But, you're saying that if a 32 Gb kit of the same frequency and # of DIMMs is supported that a 64 Gb kit of the same brand and specs should work as well?


I need to familiarize myself with an infinity fabric ratio. Thanks for the info!

A kit of 2 sticks is likely to be less hassle to set up than a set of 4.

 

[8BitZ80]

Ah, I see. That explains why so few were on the list. My understanding has been that it's a big gamble if a kit deviates from the QVL and want to have as few headaches and snags as possible. But, you're saying that if a 32 Gb kit of the same frequency and # of DIMMs is supported that a 64 Gb kit of the same brand and specs should work as well?

Take it with a grain of salt, but from my research the RAM capacity is inconsequential in terms of compatibility (provided that your motherboard can accept the RAM capacity and speed). It hasn't affected my Ryzen build. When I got my 32GB kit it wasn't listed on the B550-F QVL, but they did list the 16GB version of the same memory. My preference was the 3600MHz 32GB kit and so I just went for it anyway. Haven't had a single hiccup in the week or so that I've been running it. If in doubt you could always double check with the RAM manufacturer.

Everyone recommends going with the 3600MHz memory and running the Infinity Fabric clock (FCLK) at a 50% ratio to the memory (i.e. 1800MHz). That's what I did too. In terms of latency, CL16 is preferable but I personally found that CL18 was much cheaper and only sacrifices a tiny performance margin.

 

[jmsalal]

Take it with a grain of salt, but from my research the RAM capacity is inconsequential in terms of compatibility (provided that your motherboard can accept the RAM capacity and speed). It hasn't affected my Ryzen build. When I got my 32GB kit it wasn't listed on the B550-F QVL, but they did list the 16GB version of the same memory. My preference was the 3600MHz 32GB kit and so I just went for it anyway. Haven't had a single hiccup in the week or so that I've been running it. If in doubt you could always double check with the RAM manufacturer.

Everyone recommends going with the 3600MHz memory and running the Infinity Fabric clock (FCLK) at a 50% ratio to the memory (i.e. 1800MHz). That's what I did too. In terms of latency, CL16 is preferable but I personally found that CL18 was much cheaper and only sacrifices a tiny performance margin.

Ah, ok. Sounds like a bit of a gamble may be in order, regardless. The info on Infinity Fabric makes sense. Sounds like the FLCK to memory speed ratio is the reverse of what my Intel BIOS had me do by setting the ULCK to 2x the RAM clock speed. Thanks!

A kit of 2 sticks is likely to be less hassle to set up than a set of 4.

I've seen mention of that: theoretically better to have 32x2 than 16x4. If that's the case, I may want to saturate the mobo to 128gb capacity with matching kits to help future-proof

Take it with a grain of salt, but from my research the RAM capacity is inconsequential in terms of compatibility (provided that your motherboard can accept the RAM capacity and speed). It hasn't affected my Ryzen build. When I got my 32GB kit it wasn't listed on the B550-F QVL, but they did list the 16GB version of the same memory. My preference was the 3600MHz 32GB kit and so I just went for it anyway. Haven't had a single hiccup in the week or so that I've been running it. If in doubt you could always double check with the RAM manufacturer.

Everyone recommends going with the 3600MHz memory and running the Infinity Fabric clock (FCLK) at a 50% ratio to the memory (i.e. 1800MHz). That's what I did too. In terms of latency, CL16 is preferable but I personally found that CL18 was much cheaper and only sacrifices a tiny performance margin.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the company "nomenclature" logic and how different companies bake the specs into the part numbers. Corsair is especially confusing, with reports of matching part numbers but different versions than those listed on the QVL. It seems impossible to know if a vendor will send the correct version, as it isn't typically listed online.

DDR4-3600 is a good match for Ryzen 3000. Enable DOCP to use the XMP profile and it should run fine with a 1:1 infinity fabric ratio.

Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

Crucial Ballistix 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

pcpartpicker.com

I need to familiarize myself with an infinity fabric ratio. Thanks for the info!

Hi all,

I'm having a really difficult time locating compatible RAM for an ASUS TUF X570-plus (Wi-Fi) motherboard.

I'm wanting to install a 64Gb/3200MHz kit, either 2 or 4 DIMMs, without overclocking. My overall issue is finding such a kit on the ASUS QVL. The only kit I can find in stock is 3600MHz, which I'd rather not pay for if the CPU (3900X) only handles 3200MHz. I've found some others, but most are Hynix chips, which I hear gives Ryzen builds grief. Corsair shows compatible kits, but every one has a specific Version #. I've also heard anecdotally that there's no way to know what version you'll get when you order, and I don't want to have to RMA.

Since this is my first AMD build, I'm apprehensive about choosing the right hardware. This may just be the nature of AMD vs Intel. My goal is to buy something that runs at advertised speeds at stock with a minimum of configuring (basic BIOS only). I have no experience with XMP or DOCP, and I'm not comfortable adjusting timings, latencies, or voltages. Will this be a major issue?

If anyone could offer advice on a good compatible "out-of-the-box" kit, I would be most grateful.

Thanks in advance!

Does this look like a good safe bet?:

 

[mtcn77]

So I should hypothetically be able to visit Corsair, Crucial, G. Skill, etc, and find out if a specific kit is compatible with the motherboard

Not with a motherboard, with Intel, or AMD system validation.

 

[Calmmo]

That's a lot of ram my dude, just don't go in expecting to just toggle XMP and forget. You might have to do manual tunning, and not necessarily for timings, but for memory/controller voltages to achieve the desired results.

 

[Caring1]

Does this look like a good safe bet?:

Sure does.
G.Skill are pretty safe with AMD, Neo is even better as they are meant to be designed for AMD systems.

 

[basco]

if ya can get some patriot viper steel - yes they are most times a steal. ok ya have more options then we in europe so there maybe cheaper ones.
good info here.
quote:
One remark though: as was the case with some Patriot, Apacer and Corsair kits, there is no QVL list on the manufacturer’s website this time as well. However, we haven’t encountered any problems, and the system booted with the memory running at 3600 MHz without any issues.

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 3600 MHz (64GB) review (Page 7)

Today, we are looking at Patriot Viper Steel 3600 MHz CL18 memory in a 64 GB set consisting of two 32 GB modules. At the beginning of 2019, we had an opportunity to check a higher-clocked kit from that series (4000 MHz), but the capacity was 2 x 8 GB. Patriot’s Viper Steel Series is offered at...

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[Bones]

I'd avoid Corsair - It just seems everytime someone is having an issue with RAM they say "Corsair" is what they've got. I don't know what's up with that but I've seen alot of folks running Corsair sticks and having problems.

The G. Skill sticks shown (Trident Z Neo) are fine for what you have and should be good to go.
Patriot is a good choice as well, with either one of those you should be able to round out a nice build.

Your 3900x should be more than capable of handling 3600 sticks, probrably up to a set of 4000's at their rated speed TBH about it but also know the board plays a part in that to.
One I've got won't allow for higher RAM speeds, another board will let me crank them as high as I'd dare go (Or so it seems) so the board used will have a big impact on final RAM speeds seen.
The differences I've seen are with the same CPU and RAM sticks used between the two boards (ASRock X470 Tachi Ultimate - MSI X570 MEG ACE) with the MSI being the better of the two.

 

[jmsalal]

Sure does.
G.Skill are pretty safe with AMD, Neo is even better as they are meant to be designed for AMD systems.

Awesome! Thanks!

I'd avoid Corsair - It just seems everytime someone is having an issue with RAM they say "Corsair" is what they've got. I don't know what's up with that but I've seen alot of folks running Corsair sticks and having problems.

The G. Skill sticks shown (Trident Z Neo) are fine for what you have and should be good to go.
Patriot is a good choice as well, with either one of those you should be able to round out a nice build.

Your 3900x should be more than capable of handling 3600 sticks, probrably up to a set of 4000's at their rated speed TBH about it but also know the board plays a part in that to.
One I've got won't allow for higher RAM speeds, another board will let me crank them as high as I'd dare go (Or so it seems) so the board used will have a big impact on final RAM speeds seen.
The differences I've seen are with the same CPU and RAM sticks used between the two boards (ASRock X470 Tachi Ultimate - MSI X570 MEG ACE) with the MSI being the better of the two.

Fascinating that Corsair seems to have so much trouble. My Intel builds have done well with their RAM. Then again, AMD is a different animal from what I'm learning. I definitely want it jive with the hardware I put into the build.

if ya can get some patriot viper steel - yes they are most times a steal. ok ya have more options then we in europe so there maybe cheaper ones.
good info here.
quote:
One remark though: as was the case with some Patriot, Apacer and Corsair kits, there is no QVL list on the manufacturer’s website this time as well. However, we haven’t encountered any problems, and the system booted with the memory running at 3600 MHz without any issues.

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 3600 MHz (64GB) review (Page 7)

Today, we are looking at Patriot Viper Steel 3600 MHz CL18 memory in a 64 GB set consisting of two 32 GB modules. At the beginning of 2019, we had an opportunity to check a higher-clocked kit from that series (4000 MHz), but the capacity was 2 x 8 GB. Patriot’s Viper Steel Series is offered at...

www.guru3d.com

Nice! Thanks for the recs!

That's a lot of ram my dude, just don't go in expecting to just toggle XMP and forget. You might have to do manual tunning, and not necessarily for timings, but for memory/controller voltages to achieve the desired results.

Ugh, sounds like a major headache waiting to happen.

 

[Icon Charlie]

Hi all,

I'm having a really difficult time locating compatible RAM for an ASUS TUF X570-plus (Wi-Fi) motherboard.

I'm wanting to install a 64Gb/3200MHz kit, either 2 or 4 DIMMs, without overclocking. My overall issue is finding such a kit on the ASUS QVL. The only kit I can find in stock is 3600MHz, which I'd rather not pay for if the CPU (3900X) only handles 3200MHz. I've found some others, but most are Hynix chips, which I hear gives Ryzen builds grief. Corsair shows compatible kits, but every one has a specific Version #. I've also heard anecdotally that there's no way to know what version you'll get when you order, and I don't want to have to RMA.

Since this is my first AMD build, I'm apprehensive about choosing the right hardware. This may just be the nature of AMD vs Intel. My goal is to buy something that runs at advertised speeds at stock with a minimum of configuring (basic BIOS only). I have no experience with XMP or DOCP, and I'm not comfortable adjusting timings, latencies, or voltages. Will this be a major issue?

If anyone could offer advice on a good compatible "out-of-the-box" kit, I would be most grateful.

Thanks in advance!

This has been posted before so...

I Use G.skill Flair X for my MSI A-PRO X570 motherboard.

I specifically went with 32 gigs G.Skill Flair X PC 3200, CL14 Ram because it equals in overall performance to PC 3600 CL 16 Memory and is slightly superior to PC 3600 CL18 ram

As far as I know, they are Samsung Chips are on the Flair X Ram and not the Hynix ones.

As I always stated.... check your motherboard for memory specs, but I had no issues with these sticks of ram. They were just plug and play for me. They should work for you.

 

[AsRock]

I am using some Patriot Vipers 32GB ( PVS432G320C6K ), have worked flawlessly at 3200 and been able to push the too 3600 but i did notice they were getting a little on the warm side.

 

[jmsalal]

I am using some Patriot Vipers 32GB ( PVS432G320C6K ), have worked flawlessly at 3200 and been able to push the too 3600 but i did notice they were getting a little on the warm side.

Is that with the ASUS TUF 570x plus?

 

[AsRock]

All i was saying was my cheap ass ASRock X570 board ( same CPU ) runs above memory without a hitch. Although it is double sided and don't know if my motherboard would handle 64GB.

 

[jmsalal]

All i was saying was my cheap ass ASRock X570 board ( same CPU ) runs above memory without a hitch. Although it is double sided and don't know if my motherboard would handle 64GB.

Ah, got it. Thanks!

 

[silkstone]

No problems with Hynix chips on my B450 board. Crucial, on the other hand, only likes to run in single channel. Though on my x370, I can get the crucial to 3600 no problem.

 

[moproblems99]

My overall issue is finding such a kit on the ASUS QVL.

Just buy a kit that you want. It will work.

 

[jmsalal]

Not with a motherboard, with Intel, or AMD system validation.

So, as long as AMD validates a kit, the QVL isn't so important?

 

[mtcn77]

So, as long as AMD validates a kit, the QVL isn't so important?

They probably are validated on either one of the test systems. I'll give an example, you'll select a FlareX model for an AMD build, and TridentX for an Intel build. Memory makers take you through those pages when you look for ram on their websites. That is what it is for.

When you match the model, all associated kits will work, but your motherboard may still not be strong enough since they have seperate vrms for ram. It might require a higher dram voltage, or a higher grade motherboard per se.