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Can't run DDR4 at 3600Mhz on X570-F (Solved)

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RAM: F4-3600C16D-16GVK
Ripjaws V DDR4-3600MHz CL16-16-16-36 1.35V 16GB (2x8GB)
Mainboard: Asus X570-F
CPU: 3900x
RAM is on Asus X570-F QVL list.

First, I tried the XMP/DOCP and changed the volt to 1.35 but that didn’t work.
Then I ran the THAIPHOON BURNER to find out my speed and timings on the RAM.

Thaiphoon_Burner_F4_3600C16_8GVK.jpg


Made an export so I could use it in DRAM-Calculator-for-Ryzen-1.7.3.
This is what Ryzen calculator comes up with for fast.

Fast.png

I manually tried 3600, FCLK 1800, 16-16-16-36-52 volt 1.35 that didn't work so I tried 1.45 volt that didn't work either.
Then 3600, FCLK 1800, 22-22-22-36-52 volt 1.45 volt that didn't work either.

Now I'm using 3200, FCLK 1600, 14-15-15-30-48, tRFC 288, procODT 60, volt 1.45.

CPU_Z.jpg


It works and is stable but I can't use them in 3600 any advice on how to run RAM in 3600Mhz for Ryzen?
 
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What BIOS version are you using ?
I would check the Asus ROG forums and see what BIOS version is working best with Ryzen 3000 CP{Us and RAM OCing.
It seems that is a common issue for your MB.
 
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I would update to latest BIOS if you don`t have it already. Have you put RAM in the A2-B2-slots? A common mistake is putting the RAM in A1-B1-slots which run quite a bit slower on most MBs.
 

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I'm using Version 2608 but I see that they released a new version yesterday 2609. But I don't think that will help me.
Yes, they are in A2 and B2.

EDIT: Before these RAM I used 3200 on those there was no problem using the XMP profile but 3600 seems like a magic barrier :)
 
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I'm using Version 2608 but I see that they released a new version yesterday 2609. But I don't think that will help me.
Yes, they are in A2 and B2.
In that case try the ryzen safe preset, try going slightly higher. Try 3266, if it works, try 3333 etc. how far can you go? I bet it is either ProcODT or some timing that gives you trouble. Have you reset BIOS after upgrading RAM? Sometimes hidden settings from previous RAM sticks and makes DCOP impossible. A friend of mine experienced that, changed RAM, nothing worked, did a jumper-reset and DCOP wnet fine.
 

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In that case try the ryzen safe preset, try going slightly higher. Try 3266, if it works, try 3333 etc. how far can you go? I bet it is either ProcODT or some timing that gives you trouble. Have you reset BIOS after upgrading RAM? Sometimes hidden settings from previous RAM sticks and makes DCOP impossible. A friend of mine experienced that, changed RAM, nothing worked, did a jumper-reset and DCOP wnet fine.
Yes, I had to do a BIOS reset actually a few times but I can't remember if I ever tried DCOP after the reset.
But I put in all the values manually that should work also.
I will install yesterday's BIOS update then try DCOP if that doesn't work try step to step up from 3200 but even if 3266 works and 3333 doesn't I will still be in the same spot right?
 
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I have similar problem, Asus motherboard with X570 and QVL G.Skill RAM (DDR4-3600MHz CL16-16-16-36 1.35V). I moved back to BIOS with AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.0.0.2 (BIOS from 2020/06). Last BIOS where only BIOS DOCP and 1,35V was sufficient to boot every time. Three newer BIOS skipped already, the same problem. Tired already to tune QVL RAM in BIOS after every BIOS update.
 
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It could also be your memory controller on the CPU. Try giving it 1.2 V.
 
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dont use xmp
set 3600 manually in bios
 

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I have similar problem, Asus motherboard with X570 and QVL G.Skill RAM (DDR4-3600MHz CL16-16-16-36 1.35V). I moved back to BIOS with AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.0.0.2 (BIOS from 2020/06). Last BIOS where only BIOS DOCP and 1,35V was sufficient to boot every time. Three newer BIOS skipped already, the same problem. Tired already to tune QVL RAM in BIOS after every BIOS update.
I will try this!
But it is stable also right? I can boot into Windows now with BIOS 2609, 3600 but it will crash after 30 sec or something.

It could also be your memory controller on the CPU. Try giving it 1.2 V.
That didn't work but I manage to get back to BIOS and change it back.

dont use xmp
set 3600 manually in bios
Tried that, Then I tried it with Ryzen calculator timings and some other slower timings.
 

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I have similar problem, Asus motherboard with X570 and QVL G.Skill RAM (DDR4-3600MHz CL16-16-16-36 1.35V). I moved back to BIOS with AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.0.0.2 (BIOS from 2020/06). Last BIOS where only BIOS DOCP and 1,35V was sufficient to boot every time. Three newer BIOS skipped already, the same problem. Tired already to tune QVL RAM in BIOS after every BIOS update.
Cant move back to that BIOS version 2203 (2020/06) it says something like not a correct BIOS file.
I have BIOS 2609 now the latest version do I need to downgrade in steps or?
 
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Are you adjusting soc voltage and vddg/vddp according to Dram calculator info?
 
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Then you're f'd because you need to adjust both.
 
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Yes, I had to do a BIOS reset actually a few times but I can't remember if I ever tried DCOP after the reset.
But I put in all the values manually that should work also.
I will install yesterday's BIOS update then try DCOP if that doesn't work try step to step up from 3200 but even if 3266 works and 3333 doesn't I will still be in the same spot right?
If the problem is related to a spesific timing, procODT etc you might notice instability when you get closer to 3600. for instane 3400 might work fine but 3466 is a bit unstable. Often raising timings like tRFC, tRC, tRCDRD og tRP might fix instability. Or you might get 100% stability by raising or lowering procODT a notch.
 
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I can boot into Windows now with BIOS 2609, 3600 but it will crash after 30 sec or something.
You can have quick screenshot of ZenTimings before it crash and share here.
 

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I was finally able to downgrade BIOS to 2203.
Now I just used DOCP profile and changed fclk nothing else.

CPU_Z 3600.jpg


Running Karhu memtest now and so far no error count.
If it's stable now I will reinstall Windows and just leave everything like this.
Thanks for all the information and advice.
 
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You might want to try setting the memory to jedec 2133 and upping the infinity fabric on its own, see if it's the CPU imc limiting you.
 
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I was finally able to downgrade BIOS to 2203.
Now I just used DOCP profile and changed fclk nothing else.

View attachment 172862

Running Karhu memtest now and so far no error count.
If it's stable now I will reinstall Windows and just leave everything like this.
Thanks for all the information and advice.
Did you notice that the Uncore Frequency is in half the DRAM frequency? Thats not good.
Meaning that memory controller is in half speed.

Download ZenTimings software and post a screenshot

ZenTimings_22_10_2020.png
 

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Did you notice that the Uncore Frequency is in half the DRAM frequency? Thats not good.
Meaning that memory controller is in half speed.

Download ZenTimings software and post a screenshot

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No, I didn't notice that I was just happy it worked with the correct speed and timings.

ZenTimings_1.1.0.jpg


So when the Uncore Frequency is in half-half the DRAM frequency. What can I do about it and how?

EDIT: I might have set the FCLK wrong I will check this.
 
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So when the Uncore Frequency is in half-half the DRAM frequency. What can I do about it and how?

It means it's not stable.
 
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I was finally able to downgrade BIOS to 2203.
Now I just used DOCP profile and changed fclk nothing else.

View attachment 172862

Running Karhu memtest now and so far no error count.
If it's stable now I will reinstall Windows and just leave everything like this.
Thanks for all the information and advice.
This time you lose silicon lottery in you ryzen 3900x
 

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Yea I put the FCLC wrong was in a hurry to test the new speed, now it should be ok.

ZenTimings_1.1.0 2.jpg


Just curious do Intel CPU/mainboards have the same trouble with their DRAM speeds as AMD/Ryzen do?
 
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Yea I put the FCLC wrong was in a hurry to test the new speed, now it should be ok.

Just curious do Intel CPU/mainboards have the same trouble with their DRAM speeds as AMD/Ryzen do?

Ah... not sure how this is an AMD thing. You are deciding to use a 3rd party app to oc your ram using tight timings. Any trouble it seems to me is self inflicted.
 
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