Intel owners who have switched to AMD

[RainingTacco]

This days testing teams are small becasue of costs, so they release a product and then consumers are actually beta testing it[consumers today have low standards]. Seems that AMD is more keen on that approach than intel, given track records with zen,zen+ and zen2. I hear that zen3 also have some problems resurfacing, that were apparently fixed in older zens. Same for AMD gpu drivers. After 5700 xt im not gonna trust them, both with CPU and GPU. My advice is to always wait few months with AMD, and then buy, you will be less dissapointed.
AMD fans have all these stupid theories about intel or nvidia doing shady shit to undercut AMD, but in reality they are on top because of consumer appeal. And that appeal wasn't built on marketing alone...

 

[John Naylor]

PCs are tools an , as such, we recommend the user select that which performs best in applications they actually use. When we receive a build list to look over before a build, we ask what made you choose this particular CPU.

Good Answer - "I looked at reviews on line and reviewed the tests in the applications I use and, weighting those by ones used most often, I selected [insert CPU Brand model here]" ..... to which we respond "well done".

Terrible answer - "My friend said I should use this CPU because it had more cores." ... to which we respond "Do your applications benefit from ore cores ? .... "I don't know"

Terrible answer - "I read on the internet that I should use this CPU because it had advanced technology using a smaller die" ." ... to which we respond "Does your applications benefit in any way from the smaller die size ? .... "I don't know"

If you are buying a CPU / GFX card in any given price range versus the competition for any other reason than it makes you more productive, (with secondary reasons being power, heat, noise and lifetime costs) you are doing it wrong.

If you are building a box where the primary application is AutoCAD for 2D / 3D Drafting and you select an AMD processor, you are doing it wrong.

If you are building a box where the primary application is rendering those CAD Drawings and you select an Intel processor, you are doing it wrong.

 

[freeagent]

Heck no I’m not that smart. Just games and internetty stuff. Maybe some transcodes here and there, and since it’s new some benchmarks. Other than that it’s nothing that’s going to be productive outside of some office stuff. It’ll be a 5GHz+ Roblox box.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

For gaming specifically the 10600k is better than the 3600XT but unless you have something faster than a 2080 super you will not notice unless you're an esports gamer and plan on rocking them potato settings. If you do go that route don't skimp on the mobo that way if rocket lake is actually good but uses 300w in it's sleep you might at least have the option to upgrade to it down the line whenever its discounted.

 

[8BitZ80]

This days testing teams are small becasue of costs, so they release a product and then consumers are actually beta testing it[consumers today have low standards]. Seems that AMD is more keen on that approach than intel, given track records with zen,zen+ and zen2. I hear that zen3 also have some problems resurfacing, that were apparently fixed in older zens. Same for AMD gpu drivers. After 5700 xt im not gonna trust them, both with CPU and GPU. My advice is to always wait few months with AMD, and then buy, you will be less disappointment.
AMD fans have all these stupid theories about intel or nvidia doing shady shit to undercut AMD, but in reality they are on top because of consumer appeal. And that appeal wasn't built on marketing alone...

It depends on how many unknowns there are. Zen 3 was a pretty safe upgrade even on launch day because the motherboards and 7nm node are already well refined platforms. In that situation there's not much to go wrong. But yeah generally being an early adopter is a pain in the a$$ and it's not recommended. Windows 10, anyone?

 

[tabascosauz]

Heck no I’m not that smart. Just games and internetty stuff. Maybe some transcodes here and there, and since it’s new some benchmarks. Other than that it’s nothing that’s going to be productive outside of some office stuff. It’ll be a 5GHz+ Roblox box.

To bring the thread back on topic, I went from a 4790K to a 3700X in August of last year. Because it was soon after launch and Ryzen 3000 brought a lot to the table, there was a fair bit of firmware woes before they went away pretty much fully by the end of 2019. Getting a 3600XT now, there should be no issues whatsoever.

Depending on your GPU, you might notice better frame consistency and 1% lows. I certainly did on some games, and I kept my 1070 before and after. Depending on how fast you RAM was, how optimized your Windows was, and how fast your SATA SSD was, you may notice some general improvements in responsiveness. I think you'll appreciate most the much more modern platform and all its features (USB3.2 Gen2, 3.0 or 4.0 x4 NVMe, etc.).

If going for Comet Lake over AMD, I'd spend a little more on the board. Yes, any Z490 board will do, but Comet Lake is a little harder on the VRMs across the product stack than AMD.

 

[freeagent]

As much as I'd love to, I cant swing a full system right now. Just bought a bunch of Christmas gifts, bills are paid and I haven't bought myself a new pc since x58 was new lol. so for now it will just be CPU, mobo and ram. Everything else in my sig will get hooked up to the Z490 in my Meshify C. Any recommends on a good midrange board? There was a time 300 CAD used to buy you a good board, that looks like its the new midrange now? I was looking at Asus and ASsRock.. but I am open minded since I am out of the loop.

I'm ready to buy a CPU tonight, and a board will have to wait 2-3 weeks. I think she might buy me some ram for Christmas.. I am avoiding credit because I hate bills and have enough of them. But cash works

 

[Toothless]

Like tabascosauz, went from 4790k to 3700x. Everything runs so much gooder now.

More details, upgrade was due to I was running out of CPU when doing daily stuff and things. Double the core/thread while maintaining IPC performance or greater? Yes pls. Ended up with a 3700x that beats a 3800x in multithread and my girlfriend got my old 4790k that ran at 4.6 easily.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This maybe as far as Asus goes but its really a mid range board

ASUS ROG STRIX Z490-G GAMING (WI-FI) LGA 1200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS ROG STRIX Z490-G GAMING (WiFi 6) LGA 1200 Intel Z490 Intel Motherboard (12+2 Power Stages, Intel 2.5Gb Ethernet, Bluetooth v5.1 and AURA Sync) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

None of the Asrock boards in that general price range are any good

This is one of the better budget boards.

MSI MPG Z490M GAMING EDGE WIFI LGA 1200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy MSI MPG Z490M GAMING EDGE WIFI LGA 1200 Intel Z490 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

I could be wrong but going by the prices you listed I'm guessing you are north of the boarder from me.

 

[freeagent]

Thank you sir, yes I am in Canada. Just had a big price drop, I can afford a 9900K now, but that's pretty much the top of my budget. Crazy times. I considered a stretch to a 10700K but nah..

Newegg Processors - Desktops | Newegg.ca

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thank you sir, yes I am in Canada. Just had a big price drop, I can afford a 9900K now, but that's pretty much the top of my budget. Crazy times. I considered a stretch to a 10700K but nah..

Newegg Processors - Desktops | Newegg.ca

The 9900K is really hard to cool compared to the 10th gen K chips even with a low ambient a 360 radiator is barely adequate for 5ghz just giving you a heads up you might end up spending more just to cool it vs a 10700k and other than the top couple z390 boards most were pretty terrible. Even my Code which is just a fancy hero isn't that great

At Stock its ok and MCE is ok on a decent cooler Noctua D15 level if you are on air.

 

[INSTG8R]

Then there is the whole RAID and SATA driver shit. AMD's storage drivers is just totally jacked up. If you never plan to use RAID with the AMD platform, you'll be fine. But if you do decide to try to put things in RAID mode, it turns into a nightmare. For example, switching the SATA ports to RAID doesn't automatically put the M.2 NVMe ports in RAID mode. Then when you install the SATA RAID drivers, your NVMe ports outright break until you go into a totally different area of the BIOS to enabled NVMe RAID. Oh, and then you find out that putting the platform in RAID mode breaks TRIM support on SSDs! Intel has had TRIM with RAID enabled for years now, AMD still hasn't figured it out. So then you try to switch things back, so you install the standard non-RAID drivers and switch everything in the BIOS back to non-RAID and your NVMe ports once again don't show up at all in Windows. How fun!

BS! I have 2 SATA SSD/HDD RAID arrays(RAID0 and RAID1 + legacy SATA SSD/HDDs and 2 NVME literally every storage port used, Why would you expect SATA RAID to activate NMVE RAID? they’re separated as they should be. TRIM works fine even on the RAID array Pretty much EVERYTHING you said is wrong...

 

[Toothless]

I hope whichever brand, color, hot sauce, car tires, underwear fit that you pick, that you keep that beautiful x5690 in service until the caps pop. I hear WCG is always hiring..

 

[freeagent]

I hope whichever brand, color, hot sauce, car tires, underwear fit that you pick, that you keep that beautiful x5690 in service until the caps pop. I hear WCG is always hiring..

Thank you sir! I tried to sell it lol.. I had one offer of 80 bucks for just the board, I had to pass. The x58 was listed for 250 for the board cpu and ram, then 200, yesterday I lowered it to 150, and this morning I pulled the ad. Looks like she’s mine lol. Tough crowd in this town where everyone wants something for nothing. Current events probably don’t help.

The sale ends Tuesday, probably won’t go with a 9 series chip, 10600K is still in my cart, after I have a coffee I will click buy now hopefully. I’m such a chicken. And I’m trying to get myself up to speed on what’s what and what sits where. Winter is upon us and that ten six would be happy with me I think.

 

[Taraquin]

I switched earlier this year after 14 years of Intel only, I still have my i5 coffee lake, but rarely use it. No problems so far, feel I get much more bang for bucks and very satisfied. It was not until Zen 2 I felt comfortable upgrading as I 3600 with 3733cl15 ram now beats the crap out of my i5 8400 2666cl13 in productivity and most games. Had Intel been a bit more user friendly and allowed for ram/cpu-oc on budget motherboards I might still have used Intel.

 

[freeagent]

I haven't clicked buy now yet, but I do have the 10600K, and an ASUS Prime Z490-P in my cart. Looking at ram now.. Nothing crazy just enough to get me in the door and maybe tweak a little. Good thing I watched those videos, I have an Asrock right now and was looking at the one he said don't buy. I thought it would have been decent since this one is pretty good.

 

[Taraquin]

I haven't clicked buy now yet, but I do have the 10600K, and an ASUS Prime Z490-P in my cart. Looking at ram now.. Nothing crazy just enough to get me in the door and maybe tweak a little. Good thing I watched those videos, I have an Asrock right now and was looking at the one he said don't buy. I thought it would have been decent since this one is pretty good.

I would say a 5600X and a B550 gives you more bang for bucks. They cost about the same, but the 5600X i faster stock and even slightly faster with both OCed.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I haven't clicked buy now yet, but I do have the 10600K, and an ASUS Prime Z490-P in my cart. Looking at ram now.. Nothing crazy just enough to get me in the door and maybe tweak a little. Good thing I watched those videos, I have an Asrock right now and was looking at the one he said don't buy. I thought it would have been decent since this one is pretty good.

Asrock really dropped the ball on the budget z490 boards both asus and msi boards in that price range are substantially better.

 

[freeagent]

I would say a 5600X and a B550 gives you more bang for bucks. They cost about the same, but the 5600X i faster stock and even slightly faster with both OCed.

I know but those are all sold out, or else there is a strong possibility that I would have.

Asrock really dropped the ball on the budget z490 boards both asus and msi boards in that price range are substantially better.

It really is too bad. I didn’t hold a high regard for them until I got my z77 oc formula. That board changed my mind about them. I actually looked to them first before Asus. Bummer. The MSI looks good too, I have never considered them in the past, but they are in the books now.

 

[DR4G00N]

Asrock really dropped the ball on the budget z490 boards both asus and msi boards in that price range are substantially better.

I don't think they did at all, I'm pretty sure they just figured that putting high-end vrm on a budget mid-range board was unnecessary.
I mean if your running a 10900k under ln2 then it might have an issue but why would you use a mid range board for that anyway?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't think they did at all, I'm pretty sure they just figured that putting high-end vrm on a budget mid-range board was unnecessary.
I mean if your running a 10900k under ln2 then it might have an issue but why would you use a mid range board for that anyway?

Because they can't even handle a 10600k at 5ghz let alone a 10900k while other boards at the same price range do easily.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yes. The socket hasn't changed. Twist and pull... do it warm.

I still think intels socket is better, they put the pins on the cheaper part, the board, depending what cpu you buy of course. IMO it’s easier to damage the pins on a amd chip than a intel socket.

PCs are tools an , as such, we recommend the user select that which performs best in applications they actually use. When we receive a build list to look over before a build, we ask what made you choose this particular CPU.

Good Answer - "I looked at reviews on line and reviewed the tests in the applications I use and, weighting those by ones used most often, I selected [insert CPU Brand model here]" ..... to which we respond "well done".

Terrible answer - "My friend said I should use this CPU because it had more cores." ... to which we respond "Do your applications benefit from ore cores ? .... "I don't know"

Terrible answer - "I read on the internet that I should use this CPU because it had advanced technology using a smaller die" ." ... to which we respond "Does your applications benefit in any way from the smaller die size ? .... "I don't know"

If you are buying a CPU / GFX card in any given price range versus the competition for any other reason than it makes you more productive, (with secondary reasons being power, heat, noise and lifetime costs) you are doing it wrong.

If you are building a box where the primary application is AutoCAD for 2D / 3D Drafting and you select an AMD processor, you are doing it wrong.

If you are building a box where the primary application is rendering those CAD Drawings and you select an Intel processor, you are doing it wrong.

Lots of ryzen buyers only do so because they get more cores for their money, which is pointless if you don’t use apps that utilise them. Also hyper cores are not real cores, wish people would understand this. A 6 core hyper chip is still only 6 core, making a core do twice the work doesn’t make it two cores.

 

[grammar_phreak]

When Ryzen and Threadripper first came out there were stability issues but those were more or less growing pains that come with a new platform. When Ryzen first came out back in 2017 there were a lot of users that were having a hard time finding the right RAM for their system and sometimes those people had to spend a little bit more on DDR4-3200 cl14 RAM that has Samsung B-Dies. As of late though I haven't heard too much about there being many issues because the issues have been resolved with BIOS and AGESA updates.

It seems like you're looking for a reliable motherboard. What I've always done is gone to newegg and looked at reviews because when people get a dud they usually write a 1-star review. A couple years ago I built my brother a system with a Crosshair VII Hero board and a R7 2700x but after the retailer return window closed the board started having issues. It took 2 months and 2 RMA's to get Asus to replace the board. IMO, if I had tested that board more thoroughly then I might have been able to find the issue. Thus I could have exchanged the board with the retailer without any hassle. So no matter what you buy, you might get a dud that needs to be exchanged.

I don't know what you can get out of your lga775 parts because I've seen parts like the Gigabyte EP45-UD3P and a q9650 sit on craigslist and offerup for months on end. The Rampage III board might be easier to sell I don't see you getting much over $100 out of that combo. I know these things sell on ebay for a lot more but it seems like local buyers are looking to get something for next to nothing. I'd still suggest listing those parts for close to ebay prices because you never know if there's someone who is looking for that specific part. Lately I've seen a few 3770k's going for $85-100 and decent 1155 board going for around $60-80.

The 4 systems that I use have a Xeon E5-1680 v2, i7-2600k, i7-3770k and a Ryzen 9 3900x with SSD boot drives. When it comes to surfing the web or watching videos I'm not able tell the difference between my 2600k system and R9 3900x system. My youngest brother had a system paired with a 3770k and GTX 1070 and that thing was still a gaming beast but he upgraded to an 8700k and 1080ti because he wanted more muscle for his 1440p/144hz monitor. So if you want to see the difference then you'd have to have the use case that call for it. I think upgrading to a 5800x or 10700k would feel underwhelming if you're still gaming on a 1080p/60hz display.

 

[freeagent]

Would it be worth the stretch to a 10700K? I think it might be. It’s a little more then I want to spend, but I’m probably going to use it for a few years so I might as well get something I’m going to be happy with. Apparently I keep them so long they aren’t worth anything when I’m done with them. I was thinking of getting a Asus Prime Z490-A to run with either.. It will only be driving my 980 Classified for a couple of months.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Kinda comes down to how much you need the additional cores for gaming specifically they will be pretty similar I personally would invest in a better motherboard and go with a 10600k if my budget was limited but that's just me only you can decide whats best for your needs.