Help choose combination

[budgetgaming]

I know i am late in the game, since already bought z490i boards, to put in NR200P chasis, 16gb d60r 3600mhz, m. 2 sx8200 pro 512gb, 2tb patriot p200, MSI 240R AIO and coolermaster sfx 850watt. And my old 240hz 1080p g sync monitor. What i have not decide is the gpu and the cpu.

My option are:

I5 10600k + rtx3080
I7 10700k + rtx 3070
I9-10850k + rtx 3070

Dont wory in my country there is plenty of rtx 3070, and limited rtx3080 but still stocks outhere.

Choosing these are because of budget issue. Would love maxing out the monitor refresh rate and also would love playing on my 4k tv replacing my xbox one. Can u guys help to decide.... Thanks before.

 

[milewski1015]

Strictly gaming? I would opt for the 10600K and 3080 combo. Depending on the game of course, both of those GPUs should absolutely destroy at 1080p. Won't hit 240 fps in everything, but you'll be quite comfortable at max settings in most titles

 

[Toothless]

If you're rolling for 4k, get the first combo.

 

[budgetgaming]

Do u think i5 10600k enought for 4k tv gaming? And also photoshop and lightroom?

 

[Toothless]

Well since now you added other things, 10700k would be better for Photoshop and whatnot. Why didn't you include this in the first post?

 

[budgetgaming]

Well since now you added other things, 10700k would be better for Photoshop and whatnot. Why didn't you include this in the first post?

O did not sorry for the lack of information, it's 1.54 am actualy maybe i am sleepy.... Sorry for that

 

[Toothless]

If you can find a 10700k and 3080 on sale, that would be best.

 

[milewski1015]

Are you located in the US? The 10700KF is down to $290 on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086MMS6FV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_dlC_tWrXFbSZVY173

 

[phanbuey]

600K and 3080 hands down. Hell even a 10400f with a mild OC on the blck and power profile.

Rocket lake is out in a few months anways and will slot into that board and for the time being the additional 2 cores don't make a difference really. If you were going with used parts and were going 8700k vs 9900k then the 9900 all the way.

TLDR - graphics card first if you're gaming on a 4k tv... everything else is a supporting cast member.

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[budgetgaming]

Are you located in the US? The 10700KF is down to $290 on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086MMS6FV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_dlC_tWrXFbSZVY173

Nop unfotunatly i7 10700kf cost in my country is around 387 usd and rtx 3080 igame advance oc is 1028 usd...

600K and 3080 hands down. Hell even a 10400f with a mild OC on the blck and power profile.

Rocket lake is out in a few months anways and will slot into that board and for the time being the additional 2 cores don't make a difference really. If you were going with used parts and were going 8700k vs 9900k then the 9900 all the way.

TLDR - graphics card first if you're gaming on a 4k tv... everything else is a supporting cast member.

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Yes i am juat aware of zen 3 from amd and regrets buying z490 mptherboard.

Thats what i am thingking also buy i5 10600kf and when gen 11 arrives upgrade it to it....

But i saw alot of bottle necking with rtx3080. I dont know will it mach the power of rtx3080

 

[phanbuey]

you're not going to bottleneck a 3080 with the 10600K - especially if you OC it a bit.

Look up some side by side YouTube of 10600k OC vs 5600x stock/OC or even 5900x with a 3080 and you will see that bottleneck is tiny.

IMO it's not perceptible. Will easily last you to 11th gen.

I build quite a few different gaming rigs for friends from 12 core, 9900k, 3600 (non-x) and I dont see CPUs mattering nearly as much after Zen 2 came out. With zen 1 or zen + or the 4 core i5's you were definitely bottlenecked, and it would hitch/stutter but with any of the newer chips it kind of doesn't matter -- all of the current gen CPUs are great for 1440P and up even with the highest end cards. Grab some cheap/fast ram and ur good to go.

 

[nguyen]

Oh I guess you are not buying new laptop after all

I would go with an 10700F or if you can find the 10700K at discount
With the 10700F, just enable Multicore Enhancement in the BIOS would get you 4.8Ghz all core Turbo, which is just 200mhz below an overclocked 10700K

For GPU, don't buy from Colorful, I read multiple reviews and they all have terrible overclocks (the Advanced version). These are the models I would pick
Asus TUF 3080
INNO3D X4 3080
Gigabyte 3080 Gaming OC
MSI 3080 Ventus OC

 

[budgetgaming]

Oh I guess you are not buying new laptop after all

I would go with an 10700F or if you can find the 10700K at discount
With the 10700F, just enable Multicore Enhancement in the BIOS would get you 4.8Ghz all core Turbo, which is just 200mhz below an overclocked 10700K

For GPU, don't buy from Colorful, I read multiple reviews and they all have terrible overclocks (the Advanced version). These are the models I would pick
Asus TUF 3080
INNO3D X4 3080
Gigabyte 3080 Gaming OC
MSI 3080 Ventus OC

Helo sir..... Yes..... He prefered desktop.....

 

[nguyen]

Helo sir..... Yes..... He prefered desktop.....

fantastic decision :d

 

[budgetgaming]

Oh I guess you are not buying new laptop after all

I would go with an 10700F or if you can find the 10700K at discount
With the 10700F, just enable Multicore Enhancement in the BIOS would get you 4.8Ghz all core Turbo, which is just 200mhz below an overclocked 10700K

For GPU, don't buy from Colorful, I read multiple reviews and they all have terrible overclocks (the Advanced version). These are the models I would pick
Asus TUF 3080
INNO3D X4 3080
Gigabyte 3080 Gaming OC
MSI 3080 Ventus OC

Problem that the MSI Ventus stock availability is 0, Gigabyte 3080 crazy prise selling here more expensive then MSI X trio which the price is crazy already, INNO3d I don't know will it verticaly on my NR200P case, Asus TUF good OC but crazy price also...cheapest is Advance, but if your advice is not to buy Igame, then I will try to scout around again....here in Jakarta, RTX3070 is overstock ......maybe they are waiting for RTX3060TI launch....

and for @nguyen I have change my paste to King Pin, my method of applying in my version I applied with spatula that came along with it, thinlayers then go on with thicker layers, then I heat the TIM and heatsink so that they sit well...I can say they performe better than my krynaout on idle and high temp,

 

[Sovsefanden]

8c/16t is simply the sweet spot if you want to keep it for years. 6c/12t is still "okay" but i think it will suffer same fate as quads in 1-2-3 years.
Next gen consoles have 8 cores 16 threads. You won't see true "next gen" games before late 2021 or 2022.

For 1080p and 1440p I'd take a 3070 tbh.

3080 does not beat 3070 alot at lower resolutions. 3080 first takes off at 4K with 25-30% better perf. At 1440p it's more like 20% and 3070 uses way less watts (120 watts on average) in the process, at 1080p the differene is even smaller, like 12-15%

+ 3070 generally have (way) smaller footprint, since there is lots of dual fan options for itx cases etc, meanwhile all 3080s are huge tripple fan cards.

 

[nguyen]

Problem that the MSI Ventus stock availability is 0, Gigabyte 3080 crazy prise selling here more expensive then MSI X trio which the price is crazy already, INNO3d I don't know will it verticaly on my NR200P case, Asus TUF good OC but crazy price also...cheapest is Advance, but if your advice is not to buy Igame, then I will try to scout around again....here in Jakarta, RTX3070 is overstock ......maybe they are waiting for RTX3060TI launch....

and for @nguyen I have change my paste to King Pin, my method of applying in my version I applied with spatula that came along with it, thinlayers then go on with thicker layers, then I heat the TIM and heatsink so that they sit well...I can say they performe better than my krynaout on idle and high temp,

Well if you can find the iGame 3080 Advanced model for cheaper than the other, I don't see why not .

With the Intel 10th gen processor, there is barely any overclocking headroom left after the Multicore enhancement trick. For example at most you can overclock the 10700K to 5.0Ghz, 5.1Ghz if you are lucky, that is 300mhz over the 10700F's 4.8Ghz multicore enhancement (6% overclock).

You can improve gaming performance much more than 6% with overclocking RAM and using 32GB config instead of 16GB

So yeah 10700F + 3080 + 32GB RAM (either 4x8GB or 2x16GB are good).

Having fun using that Kingpin KPx paste on your new build , that is definitely the best paste you can buy right now.

 

[phanbuey]

8c/16t is simply the sweet spot if you want to keep it for years. 6c/12t is still "okay" but i think it will suffer same fate as quads in 1-2-3 years.
Next gen consoles have 8 cores 16 threads. You won't see true "next gen" games before late 2021 or 2022.

For 1080p and 1440p I'd take a 3070 tbh.

3080 does not beat 3070 alot at lower resolutions. 3080 first takes off at 4K with 25-30% better perf. At 1440p it's more like 20% and 3070 uses way less watts (120 watts on average) in the process, at 1080p the differene is even smaller, like 12-15%

+ 3070 generally have (way) smaller footprint, since there is lots of dual fan options for itx cases etc, meanwhile all 3080s are huge tripple fan cards.

While you came to the correct conclusion there is a bit of a misconception there -- your computer is currently running thousands of threads:

Games don't 'need' a processor with a certain amount of thread processing power, and consoles have been 8 cores now for forever. It's just processor power. A 5600x will never be slower than a 10700k/9900k/1700xor 3700x due to a lack of 'simultaneous' threads - it's a faster or equal proc even in MT so it will always be faster or at the very worst equal. Increasing core count is simply a very efficient and scalable way of increasing overall processor power for applications that can take advantage of it. It also helps mitigate background applications to some extent but not nearly as much as people think. I see this being said as to why X cores is the sweet spot all the time, but it's not really why.

Intel's Rocket Lake, for instance, will come out at 8 cores and most likely beat the 10900k at everything regardless.

That being said, a 10600K with a 3080 will almost always beat a 10700K with a 3070 in games, and will last much longer as more graphically intensive games come out. If you can obv get more cores -- it is a more powerful processor -- but if it means dropping down a gfx level then it's not worth it.

 

[Sovsefanden]

While you came to the correct conclusion there is a bit of a misconception there -- your computer is currently running thousands of threads:
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Games don't 'need' a processor with a certain amount of thread processing power, and consoles have been 8 cores now for forever. It's just processor power. A 5600x will never be slower than a 10700k/9900k/1700xor 3700x due to a lack of 'simultaneous' threads - it's a faster or equal proc even in MT so it will always be faster or at the very worst equal. Increasing core count is simply a very efficient and scalable way of increasing overall processor power for applications that can take advantage of it. It also helps mitigate background applications to some extent. I see this being said as to why X cores is the sweet spot all the time, but it's not really why.

Intel's Rocket Lake, for instance, will come out at 8 cores and most likely beat the 10900k at everything regardless.

That being said, a 10600K with a 3080 will almost always beat a 10700K with a 3070 in games, and will last much longer as more graphically intensive games come out. If you can obv get more cores -- it is a more powerful processor -- but if it means dropping down a gfx level then it's not worth it.

Are you seriously compairing last gen consoles 8c/8t jaguar with a 8c/16t zen 2 part?

Last gen consoles cpu power was on pentium / dual core level, it was the main reason for terrible ai and crappy framerates

I'd never buy anything else than a 8c/16t cpu in 2020, unless you plan to replace it within 2-3 years maybe

 

[phanbuey]

Are you seriously compairing last gen consoles 8c/8t jaguar with a 8c/16t zen 2 part?

Last gen consoles cpu power was on pentium / dual core level, it was the main reason for terrible ai and crappy framerates

I'd never buy anything else than a 8c/16t cpu in 2020, unless you plan to replace it within 2-3 years maybe

That's really not the point. Having a certain number of cores/threads is not how CPU performance is measured... Also you will likely replace your CPU every 2-3 years anyways if you're on this forum . Look at your 8700k - it's always going to be faster than 7820x, 1800x, 2700x and in most instances/ games than a 3700x etc. Core counts are not that indicative of performance.

 

[Sovsefanden]

That's really not the point. Having a certain number of cores/threads is not how CPU performance is measured... Also you will likely replace your CPU every 2-3 years anyways if you're on this forum . Look at your 8700k - it's always going to be faster than 7820x, 1800x, 2700x and in most instances/ games than a 3700x etc. Core counts are not that indicative of performance.

Depends on the game and how many threads it's written for - Look at Battlefield series, 4c/4t chokes, 4c/8t delivers spikes still, 6c/12t does fine

History will repeat when next gen games come out in 2022, 8c/16t will be the new default for pc gaming unless you can live with fps spikes and lower minimums

Thats the reason my 8700K still lives, no point in upgrading now - I'll upgrade when Intel puts out 10nm or less, or go with AMD for AM5 platform

Not upgrading before DDR5 is out and mature + PCIe 5.0 is out, meaning 2021+

 

[phanbuey]

Depends on the game and how many threads it's written for - Look at Battlefield series, 4c/4t chokes, 4c/8t delivers spikes still, 6c/12t does fine

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So top is 20 threads, bottom is 12 threads. My IDE can launch 1000 threads... threads are just units of work - even if a game requires 16 threads, if the processor is fast enough it will beat a 16 thread processor. 4 Cores is just not possible to make fast enough efficiently since 6 cores is + 50% performance, and 8 cores is +100% performance etc. Your processor is running thousands of threads, even on a one core processor.

 

[budgetgaming]

Well if you can find the iGame 3080 Advanced model for cheaper than the other, I don't see why not .

With the Intel 10th gen processor, there is barely any overclocking headroom left after the Multicore enhancement trick. For example at most you can overclock the 10700K to 5.0Ghz, 5.1Ghz if you are lucky, that is 300mhz over the 10700F's 4.8Ghz multicore enhancement (6% overclock).

You can improve gaming performance much more than 6% with overclocking RAM and using 32GB config instead of 16GB

So yeah 10700F + 3080 + 32GB RAM (either 4x8GB or 2x16GB are good).

Having fun using that Kingpin KPx paste on your new build , that is definitely the best paste you can buy right now.

Already Bought 16gb 3600......I am still sceptic buying 10 gen i7 because in few months Gen 11 definitely launching......then mabe I will upgrade the 7 or 9 intel......

That's really not the point. Having a certain number of cores/threads is not how CPU performance is measured... Also you will likely replace your CPU every 2-3 years anyways if you're on this forum . Look at your 8700k - it's always going to be faster than 7820x, 1800x, 2700x and in most instances/ games than a 3700x etc. Core counts are not that indicative of performance.

this i agree, "Also you will likely replace your CPU every 2-3 years anyways if you're on this forum " better become 3 luck monkey, see no evil, hear or speak

8c/16t is simply the sweet spot if you want to keep it for years. 6c/12t is still "okay" but i think it will suffer same fate as quads in 1-2-3 years.
Next gen consoles have 8 cores 16 threads. You won't see true "next gen" games before late 2021 or 2022.

For 1080p and 1440p I'd take a 3070 tbh.

3080 does not beat 3070 alot at lower resolutions. 3080 first takes off at 4K with 25-30% better perf. At 1440p it's more like 20% and 3070 uses way less watts (120 watts on average) in the process, at 1080p the differene is even smaller, like 12-15%

+ 3070 generally have (way) smaller footprint, since there is lots of dual fan options for itx cases etc, meanwhile all 3080s are huge tripple fan cards.

My NR200P accept 330mm max I will saya 320mm max length, What I meant is Vertical position will it touch the glass....

I have heard that Core is actualy depens on programing structure(Corect me if I am wrong), For instance FPS game uses less resource then RPG game or open world game, Because it depend on the code. If the game has "What If" instruction, will need more Cpu computing then FPS game because there is more calculation then FPS game. FPS game is already has Code writen if you get hit, reaction is already build ont he game it self....(I am not computer geek and also not programmer, so maybe my word are not relevant

 

[nguyen]

The 10600K is a little bit more expensive than 10700f everywhere. 10700f with Max Turbo will give better 1% low FPS than an overclocked 10600K in 9 out of 10 games.

Well TPU only measure AVG FPS but more cores --> better 1% Low FPS

 

[budgetgaming]

I have decided that 3080 is overkill for my 1080P 240hz monitor, So I decided that buying RTX3070 MSI X trio and pair with i9-10900K for work. at least the i9 will not bottle neck the GPU too high, I read in the forum average below 5%, but now I dont know that my MSI 240mm AIO will be sufficient to cool the CPU and also 16gb 3600mhz is sufficient for it....