Damaged 5900X & AiO plating after TG Kryonaut

[Zach_01]

So unless you are willing to switch to liquid metal, there isn't really anything to be gained by stressing over which thermal paste to use. Hell, the difference between Kryonaut and Arctic Alumina is less than 3°C according to Tom's. Don't waste money on a tiny tube of paste thinking it will be any better than the cheaper huge tupe of MX4.

This why I didn’t bother with any of the “normal” pastes and gone straight to LM after AS5. But I was ready to deal with what it takes to use LM.

 

[damric]

So the OP has doctored the images??!!

(for the reference, find the ICD thread, it's sad)

Well I didn't imply that, and I didn't doctor my own images of what the IC Diamond did to my IHS and Heatsink.

 

[micropage7]

that's reason why i prefer 1c higher is better than something that screw your components

 

[freeagent]

ICD7 was a shit show, no doubt. But this is bull shit. This is the 4th or 5th thread I have seen on the matter, probably the 3rd one here. How it turned into a TIM comparo I have no idea. Also, the damage left behind by ICD7 was not even remotely as severe as this. Nobody is sticking their fingers in the mix to see if it is still clumpy lol. If they cant be bothered to do that, I cant be bothered to open my wallet.

ICD7 just rubbed the etching off on my CPU's, it didn't leave any pitting, or deep scratches.

 

[Frick]

Well I didn't imply that, and I didn't doctor my own images of what the IC Diamond did to my IHS and Heatsink.

... no, it was a reference joke to what the CEO douche said. I used to question marks and two exlamation marks.

 

[phanbuey]

kyonaut did this to my 10850K as well, completely pitted both. Ive switched to kpx since.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

NT-H2 for life.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah only thermal grizzly product I would entertain would be hydronaut and that's only if it wasn't price stupid which never happens lol

 

[R-T-B]

Why is anyone arguing about margin of error differences?

Because it's thermal paste. It's mystical nearly irrelevant goo that people love to argue about.

If in question, see my first post.

 

[Rebootableglitch]

I recently purchased some Grizzly KT thermal paste.... what are the bad batch numbers for it? I hope to god I didn't use it, I only recently reapplyed it like 2 months ago with it,

 

[mtcn77]

I'm sure it has something to do with thermal paste being both the least important component choice in a build, and the most obsessed about one, all at once.

Thermal paste accounts for 10%(not 30%) of performance variability. The heatsink is 45% with mounting pressure at 30%(not 10%) of maximum variability.

 

[Mussels]

Thermal paste accounts for 30% of performance variability. The heatsink is 45% with mounting pressure at 10% of maximum variability.

those numbers are totally believable, but where did they come from?
(where did the come from where did they go, where did they come from cotton eye joe *humming intensifies*)

 

[Calmmo]

those numbers are totally believable, but where did they come from?
(where did the come from where did they go, where did they come from cotton eye joe *humming intensifies*)

This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will

sorry couldnt resist

 

[mtcn77]

those numbers are totally believable, but where did they come from?
(where did the come from where did they go, where did they come from cotton eye joe *humming intensifies*)

Some paper I noted that I quote time and again when we were discussing coldplates with integrated vapour chambers. I rounded them plus or minus 2%. I believe mounting pressure(not tim) was 28.8%, tim 11%(not mounting pressure). Citing the original paper is harder than you think.

Maybe, you can google search the chart. It is from the same article.

Why Intel CPU's run at 95°C and why AMD's should, also

I love you, in the sense of physics. The whole thermal problem is realizing the problem has not been solved to an exact number by anyone. Everyone has tried; all the names have taken their hack at it. To quote a movie I like, "It remains" "Easy" is not a word that ever comes out in physics...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[R-T-B]

Thermal paste accounts for 10%(not 30%) of performance variability. The heatsink is 45% with mounting pressure at 30%(not 10%) of maximum variability.

Sounds plausible.

 

[freeagent]

Sounds plausible.

Indeed..

I would bump up the skill level and concentrated will power just a hair, as not all pastes are created equal.. and some can be a real B..

and moar fanz!!1

 

[rdwing]

I have a tube from the bad batch back in 2018, I didn't know there was a bad batch until very recently. I didn't realize just how bad it was until I used it on my new Zen 3 5900x build. It's shockingly abrasive.

I reached out to TG on 1/29 and after 2 emails back and forth where they requested photos and I provided them, they've just ignored me. I've followed up weekly but just nothing. Super super unprofessional.

Screw them.

Part of the problem is that there were no batch numbers back around the original known bad batch. TG claimed to have no way to notify consumers. I think they could have put something on their website, at least.

 

[xdk]

Welcome in the club.

I have a tube

 

[Final_Fighter]

im beginning to think that this is not a "Bad Batch" issue. its more like an environmental issue. im talking about the temperature swings and humidity that the pc is working in. people who review products do so in a controlled environment where as most people who get ahold of this stuff probably have a lot of variation in temperature and humidity. just a thought.

 

[mtcn77]

I don't get it. Would it help if the paste was applied after heat applied in a double boiler? I don't see past how friction could be present if viscosity was available. What did they put in it - rough chopped diamonds?

 

[Blue4130]

I don't get it. Would it help if the paste was applied after heat applied in a double boiler? I don't see past how friction could be present if viscosity was available. What did they put in it - rough chopped diamonds?

It wouldn't be the first paste to use industrial diamonds in the mix...

 

[Thermal-Grizzly]

Hello everyone,
i just want to clear some things up.
We are trying our best to resolve any problems our customers may face, whilst doing that we may run into some problems. After we openly admitted to having a bad batch, there were a lot of people who tried to scam us and just take "free" money, therefore we had to check it way more thoroughly. We wanted to make it as easy as possible for our customers, but there are always people who just want to make a fortune out of others people "generosity". And as it was stated earlier in this thread, we did not have good tools at our hand to check where the products where bought. Overthe last 3 years, we added a lot of tools into our products to check where they came from. After having a bad batch, our website was updated and it was openly communicated that there was a problem with some products bought in a specific time frame. We even added a warning on our website when we heard about people buying fake products of Kryonaut.
In the case of @xdk we were trying to check what exactly happened here. It was not a bad batch, and neither a fake. We immediately checked the batch to see if there was a problem with it or not, and there was none. We have an Idea why this happened and will respond after we are 100% sure. We are sorry this took so long, but as i have stated we were working on this case and i also wrote to you that you can always go to a forum and ask for help. We know this took too long on our site and we are trying our best to fix it.
In the case of @rdwing;
I have wrote you a mail from my private account since it seems you are not getting the mails from my work mail. It would have been solved around a month ago otherwise.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Greetings,
Jannik - Thermal Grizzly

 

[Mussels]

Hello everyone,
i just want to clear some things up.
We are trying our best to resolve any problems our customers may face, whilst doing that we may run into some problems. After we openly admitted to having a bad batch, there were a lot of people who tried to scam us and just take "free" money, therefore we had to check it way more thoroughly. We wanted to make it as easy as possible for our customers, but there are always people who just want to make a fortune out of others people "generosity". And as it was stated earlier in this thread, we did not have good tools at our hand to check where the products where bought. Overthe last 3 years, we added a lot of tools into our products to check where they came from. After having a bad batch, our website was updated and it was openly communicated that there was a problem with some products bought in a specific time frame. We even added a warning on our website when we heard about people buying fake products of Kryonaut.
In the case of @xdk we were trying to check what exactly happened here. It was not a bad batch, and neither a fake. We immediately checked the batch to see if there was a problem with it or not, and there was none. We have an Idea why this happened and will respond after we are 100% sure. We are sorry this took so long, but as i have stated we were working on this case and i also wrote to you that you can always go to a forum and ask for help. We know this took too long on our site and we are trying our best to fix it.
In the case of @rdwing;
I have wrote you a mail from my private account since it seems you are not getting the mails from my work mail. It would have been solved around a month ago otherwise.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Greetings,
Jannik - Thermal Grizzly

thanks for coming by and posting - interesting that people arent getting the reply emails, an issue with spam filters would explain why people think theres no replies or follow up

 

[Thermal-Grizzly]

im beginning to think that this is not a "Bad Batch" issue. its more like an environmental issue. im talking about the temperature swings and humidity that the pc is working in. people who review products do so in a controlled environment where as most people who get ahold of this stuff probably have a lot of variation in temperature and humidity. just a thought.

No it was definetly a bad batch on our side. While using highend paste like Kryonaut small micro scratches can happen because of the oxides included, but in the case of the bad batch the oxides were not milled small enough and therefore caused some bigger scratches which should definetly not happen.
We also made a spectral analysis to check the problem and solve the issues. We tried our best to fix it as fast as possible.

thanks for coming by and posting - interesting that people arent getting the reply emails, an issue with spam filters would explain why people think theres no replies or follow up

It seems like there is a problem with our mailserver and gmail.com and yandex.ru addresses. They are getting filtered way to often at this moment and we are investigating this. Another big problem is when using our contact form on our website, a lot of people are putting in wrong addresses e.g. gmal.com and are not receiving answer because they can not be reached and we have to check manually where the problem was. In the case of rdwing however the problem was not a wrongly spelled mail address.


And since i have read about the rubber tip sometimes missing in our products :
Our products get handpacked in germany at a workshop for disabled. In some cases like 1/5000 the rubber tip or the manual is missing. If we get a report about the problem we try to send a new tip if it really is needed or send the manual as pdf. In the case the tube is missing ( Which happened like two times over the last years) we offer a full refund and send a goodie package. This is something we accept, because we think giving a job to handicapped people in germany and having to resend a tip every few thousand items is more important than having the products packaged in china and maybe save a few bucks.

Greetings
Jannik - Thermal Grizzly

 

[xdk]

While using highend paste like Kryonaut small micro scratches can happen because of the oxides included

Such warning should appear in the grease package!

Put this to inform customer he using it at his own risk.

And they are not so micro, as mine, rdwing and others pics showed..