Memory Clock GT 710 2GB

[VRangel]

Hi Guys.

I have a GT 710 2GB and here in TPU shows that this VGA have 800Mhz memory clock (1600 effective).
But my card of brand GALAX, shows 500Mhz (1000) in MSI Afterburner or GPU-Z and i can't change that in any OC program.

I already used DDU and reinstalled older and new drivers... already tried update the BIOS (I even used BIOS from here, and with my card ID e SubID), but when i do that, i have artifacts and my pc shutdown several times.

Did my card came with problem in memory? (Hynix)

Thank you!

 

[Speedyblupi]

when i do that, i have artifacts and my pc shutdown several times.

Do you mean that happens while the BIOS is updating, or afterwards? If it's during, temporary artifacts are normal, though your PC shutting down (without a window asking you to shut down) is not.

If you mean you saw artifacts afterwards, it depends what the artifacts are, but I would suspect that the memory is damaged.

Are you certain that the GPU is a GT 710, and not something like a Geforce 210 (some versions of which have a memory speed of 500MHz)? There are a few examples of scam cards which are modified to appear in software as a higher-end model, such as GTS 450s sold as GTX 1050s. I've never heard of anyone doing this with a GT 710 specifically, or any other card that low end, but it is possible. If you haven't already, you should try downloading and running GPU-Z, which should be able to detect if your GPU is a fake.

 

[VRangel]

Do you mean that happens while the BIOS is updating, or afterwards? If it's during, temporary artifacts are normal, though your PC shutting down (without a window asking you to shut down) is not.

If you mean you saw artifacts afterwards, it depends what the artifacts are, but I would suspect that the memory is damaged.

Are you certain that the GPU is a GT 710, and not something like a Geforce 210 (some versions of which have a memory speed of 500MHz)? There are a few examples of scam cards which are modified to appear in software as a higher-end model, such as GTS 450s sold as GTX 1050s. I've never heard of anyone doing this with a GT 710 specifically, or any other card that low end, but it is possible. If you haven't already, you should try downloading and running GPU-Z, which should be able to detect if your GPU is a fake.

Hi Speedyblupi, TY for the reply.

afterwards...
i used the nvflash to update the BIOS, and after the program hit 100%, the screen turns black and my monitor enters in stand-by mode (but my PC is still ON).
When i reset the system, the PC starts normally but i can see small blue retangles in the screen, and with that i can't install any driver, that my PC shutdown and restart.
(But when i change the BIOS, the GPU-Z starts to show 800Mhz de Memory Clock, instead 500... but the memory size goes to 0)

If i return to the original BIOS, its work again, but still with the 500Mhz of Memory Clock

about being a fake card, the GPU-Z doesn't show as a fake, including, the others informations like CUDA cores (192) and card ID (GK208) are correct... only the memory clock is different :/

I started to believe in memory damaged too, but what i can't undestand is if the BIOS change gave me artifacts because a memory damage, why the original BIOS doesn't?

 

[agent_x007]

Aren't you trying to force GDDR5 vBIOS on DDR3 card (or too high memory frequency on something that clearly can't do it) ?

 

[Caring1]

Overclocking the memory will cause the artifacts you described.
There is nothing wrong with the GT 710 you have, it just came with lower clocked Vram.

GALAX GT 710 VBIOS

2048 MB DDR3, 954 MHz GPU, 500 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

 

[VRangel]

Aren't you trying to force GDDR5 vBIOS on DDR3 card (or too high memory frequency on something that clearly can't do it) ?

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Hi Agent!

No, the BIOS that i trying to flash is that: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/224340/224340

Overclocking the memory will cause the artifacts you described.
There is nothing wrong with the GT 710 you have, it just came with lower clocked Vram.

GALAX GT 710 VBIOS

2048 MB DDR3, 954 MHz GPU, 500 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

Its exactly the original BIOS that came with the card...
its a relief that my memory chips are ok... haha

i never imagine that some cards have lower clocks by manufactured that normal

 

[Shrek]

I knew the GT 1030 came in DDR4 and GDDR5 variants (avoid the first at all costs)

* GT 1030 DDR4 vs. GDDR5: A Disgrace of a Graphics Card - YouTube

* Worst Graphics Card Ever! GeForce GT 1030, the DDR4 Scam Benchmarked - YouTube

but didn't realize the GT 710 comes in DDR3 and GDDR5 variants.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Aren't you trying to force GDDR5 vBIOS on DDR3 card (or too high memory frequency on something that clearly can't do it) ?

On techpowerup's GPU database page on the GT 710, the example of the GT 710 GDDR5 has a memory clock of 1253MHz, so an 800MHz version would probably not be GDDR5 (though I suppose it's possible that it could be). There are a few different versions with DDR3 at 900MHz or 800MHz.

ASUS GT 710 Silent 2 GB Specs

NVIDIA GK208B, 954 MHz, 192 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 2048 MB GDDR5, 1253 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[DR4G00N]

It's just a version with very low frequency memory, it's not rare to see some manufactures do this on the low end models. Not much you can do since it's down to the mem IC's used.

I once had an XFX HD 5570 that was like that, 500MHz mem freq instead of the standard 900MHz. Fastest I could get it was 575MHz.

 

[Shrek]

Still on topic, I think

Can someone explain to me the difference between DDR and GDDR?

and not just, one is faster...

 

[FreedomEclipse]

GDDR is tailor made for Graphics cards so it fits within the manufactures specs for lower heat and power consumption etc etc.

Regular DDR is made for things like laptops, PCs & other devices like tablets, mobile phones and computers/infotainment systems that go inside cars - basically anything thats not a graphics card tends to use regular DDR.

 

[Shrek]

I was hoping for something a little more technical as one might at first think that lower heat meant lower performance.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Well, theres always wiki

 

[Shrek]

That is why I asked here

"Graphics DDR SDRAM (GDDR SDRAM) is a type of synchronous dynamic random-access memory (SDRAM) specifically designed for graphics processing units (GPUs). GDDR SDRAM is distinct from the more widely known types of DDR SDRAM, such as DDR4, although they share some of the same features—including double data rate data transfers."

was not very enlightening.


I would understand if it was static RAM, but seems it is still a type of dynamic RAM.

 

[GerKNG]

GDDR is basically normal SDRAM with extremely loose timings connected to a large bus to transfer as much data as possible while not going crazy in heat and power consumption.

GDDR6X modules for example are made with a different signaling (PAM4) to have two bits per clock transfered at very high clock speeds. (20 Ghz and above (effective) but with quite high latency and loose timings)

 

[Shrek]

Thanks, that is the sort of thing I was after.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Still on topic, I think

Can someone explain to me the difference between DDR and GDDR?

and not just, one is faster...

One difference is that despite retaining the "DDR" part of their name, the latest versions of GDDR (GDDR5X and onwards) are QDR (quad-data-rate), meaning that each pin can transfer data 4 times per internal clock cycle. This is part of what allows GDDR-type memory to have much higher effective bus frequency than normal DDR-type SDRAM, despite running at similar internal clock speeds (~1000-2000MHz).

There is also something that was introduced with GDDR5 which doubled the effective bandwidth, but for some reason no source on the internet seems to know what it is - there's a lot of speculation that it's "quad pumping", but most of the sources I can find say that "quad pumping" is equivalent to QDR, which GDDR5 doesn't support. I don't understand exactly why, but DDR4 transfers one bit 2 times per internal clock cycle, GDDR5 transfers one bit 4 times per internal clock cycle, GDDR5X and GDDR6 transfer one bit 8 times per internal clock cycle, and GDDR6X transfers two bits 8 times per internal clock cycle.

There are also internal differences to things like bank group structure, prefetch length and strobe signalling, but these are generally not important unless you're designing a memory chip, and I don't understand these concepts well enough to explain them in detail.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Just as likely if not more likely unstable VRAM, because it rebooted unexpectedly. (probably a bugcheck, A.K.A. "bluescreen")

Did you get a fatal WHEA error? I know that unstable VRAM can cause a fatal WHEA error for "Cache Hierarchy Error", FYI.

For me, running a miner as a research project, to uncover VRAM instability, as it pushed the VRAM the hardest on my Radeon RX 5600 XT, resulted in a large rectangle that was flickering right before Windows 10 20H2 rebooted itself.
Then I saw my first Ryzen WHEA errors in the event log. Because I found out that a mining algorithm, uses more VRAM than my games, IIRC! I was able to make it crash very fast, even at a setting where I never saw a problem with Unigine Superposition and GTA V at 1440p! The rectangle appeared after I just bumped the VRAM clock with the miner running, then when I closed the miner, it went crazy and Windows 10 rebooted itself for a fatal WHEA error. This was after my card was acting flaky with warm weather, apparently, with incorrect shares.