I just switched to Linux Mint (latest beta release) I AM FREAKING IN LOVE!!! TAKE CARE WINDOWS 10 and 11 LMAO

[lexluthermiester]

Is libreoffice the same thing as openoffice or different names. I've been using open-office for many years.

LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice. They are similar, but LibreOffice is more feature rich as it has a lot more community support. OpenOffice is still being actively developed however and is still worth using if you already know it's detailed functionality.

I personally keep it installed because it can open some documents perfectly where LibreOffice has a few problems. These are generally older MSOffice formats that LibreOffice struggles with. The Document Foundation has focused on future modern and future document format options and have left past compatibility behind. I have to work with older documents from time to time so compatibility is important and OpenOffice provides that. For that reason alone it's worth having both installed and kept up to date.

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

Interesting article if you're looking to validate the opinion of Linux not being a good desktop OS. It has some very serious flaws, both contextual & technical, and misses the point of many reasons Linux is built the way it is. Not a very good citation for your apparent statement. If you do not understand the topic of this thread and the point of discussing it, then perhaps this thread is not a good place for you.

Put another way, please keep your Linux bashing comments to yourself or the mods will be asked to remove you from the thread. Thank You.

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Stop the insults, hate, and bickering.
Read the Guidelines before posting... it may help some members from getting warnings and bans.

 

[tabascosauz]

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

You're giving Birdie an ultimatum because you don't like his opinion about Linux? If you can't handle criticism, maybe the internet is not for you.

In case you haven't noticed:



I don't think you'll find this particular audience very receptive to "Windows better". Go to General Software instead, and offer up all the opinions you want.

Proton is literally just a toggle off on switch in Steam settings... installing steam and nvidia drivers were two clicks in the welcome home screen... 0 issues on my end honestly. I also use libreoffice just fine for many years now even on windows, just remember to save as docx not its default.

I have to do a reinstall on my HTPC today, because the 11 dev build is very much dev lol. Considering installing something new, instead of spending hours working out a completely clean debloated 20H2 install. Not sure I trust Kub 21.04 with anything other than my laptop so I was looking at the Mint site today - unfortunately my games library looks like it might be a mixed bag even with Proton, mostly because of rootkit anticheats.

I haven't paid too much attention to anticheat since the Valorant launch debacle, but it seems that Easy/Battleye have seen a lot of adoption lately. From what I can tell, most of these rootkit anticheats don't work on Linux, so your game either crashes or you get banned. They said that Easy "works" on Linux, but only the version built specifically for Linux? I don't think any game devs are bothering to switch over for a tiny fraction of their playerbase. Save for War Thunder I suppose.

• Insurgency Sandstorm: doesn't really work as long as Easy is involved
• R6S: doesn't work, Battleye
• Genshin: will probably get me banned

But outside of anti-cheat games, Proton looks good - War Thunder (works despite Easy??), MCC, Arma 3 (not Battleye servers), GTA, No Man's Sky, Risk of Rain 2, Ori 1, Ori 2, Cities: Skylines, Sniper Elite 3, Sniper Elite 4, etc.

And of course the lighter games all work - Stardew Valley, Atlantic Fleet, Cold Waters, Bloons, I am Setsuna, etc. It's really just Genshin that's a thorn in my side, because that's like 95% of what I play on my HTPC.

 

[Bones]

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

Simple - Because you're wrong and the below is why.

I am NOT a software savvy person yet I'm enjoying it.

Does everything I need it to do without all the fuss and whatever else vs what Windows can put you through (BSOD's and so on).
However if you choose the wrong distro I can see what you are saying being the case.

TBH and real about it, just because you've had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone will or has either.

The two or three distros everyone seems to like are Mint, Arch, Ubuntu and the other one I like personally, Peppermint are good choices here.
Arch and Ubuntu does take a little work but it's manageable, Mint and Peppermint themselves are the most Windows-like distros I'm aware of.
Yes, I've used all I've named and that's been the results I've gotten from each one.

Using Peppermint because, unlike Mint it actually works with my newer AMD card (Radeon VII), Mint doesn't and always throws itself into CPU rendering mode with that card in use - I can't say if any other newer AMD GPU's are treated like this with Mint or not but that too has been my experience.

I'll sum up by saying one person's singular experience should not be the basis for everyone else's choice.

 

[Solaris17]

nyway, I think I have a general idea that most of TPU linux users are mostly Ubuntu or ubuntu based and/or Debian. Not so much love on Fedora, OpenSuse and Arch.

Actually use opensuse as my main distro. Though I posted screenshots of my budgie laptop. As for Arch, thats a no from me.

Most of my backend servers are nix, with many running rhel and anything public facing running freeBSD (my fav server OS)

 

[Bones]

I'll just add that the user's choice of which distro to use is important.
Most of these can be researched and you'll get an idea of what it takes to use it from a Linux vs Windows standpoint.

As I've indicated the two "Best" distros for a direct migration from Windows are Mint and Peppermint, both are almost directly comparable to Windows that way and will at least introduce people to Linux, plus the price is right too (Free).
Again, it's best to research your choice and be sure it's what you want and go from there.
I too have been fooled by distros seeming (By description) to be "OK" but once I started using them I was like so I had to leave those alone in the end.

I guess one way of putting it is there are different distros for different skill levels with linux because that really is the case.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Simple - Because you're wrong and the below is why.

I am NOT a software savvy person yet I'm enjoying it.

Does everything I need it to do without all the fuss and whatever else vs what Windows can put you through (BSOD's and so on).
However if you choose the wrong distro I can see what you are saying being the case.

TBH and real about it, just because you've had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone will or has either.

The two or three distros everyone seems to like are Mint, Arch, Ubuntu and the other one I like personally, Peppermint are good choices here.
Arch and Ubuntu does take a little work but it's manageable, Mint and Peppermint themselves are the most Windows-like distros I'm aware of.
Yes, I've used all I've named and that's been the results I've gotten from each one.

Using Peppermint because, unlike Mint it actually works with my newer AMD card (Radeon VII), Mint doesn't and always throws itself into CPU rendering mode with that card in use - I can't say if any other newer AMD GPU's are treated like this with Mint or not but that too has been my experience.

I'll sum up by saying one person's singular experience should not be the basis for everyone else's choice.

i think you should rethink about peppermint.

DistroWatch.com: Peppermint OS

News and feature lists of Linux and BSD distributions.

distrowatch.com

last update was 2 yrs ago but its active

 

[Bones]

i think you should rethink about peppermint.

DistroWatch.com: Peppermint OS

News and feature lists of Linux and BSD distributions.

distrowatch.com

last update was 2 yrs ago but its active

I'm aware and have been keeping tabs on what's going on with it.
There is talk Peppermint 11 may not even be in the end with the passing of the distro's author.

ATM it's working fine and running it for the reasons I gave for leaving Mint, if it doesn't work with the hardware I've got then it just doesn't work.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is talk Peppermint 11 may not even be in the end with the passing of the distro's author.

Wait, Mark died? That sucks...

Edit: That was 18 months ago. Peppermint had a lot of promise.

 

[Anarchy0110]

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

Mate, use your time to do more valuable/meaningful stuff instead of bashing others just because you can't do it yourself.
Cheers!

 

[Mescalamba]

So far only infinite source of pain was Win 10. And I even run version that has far less problems than regular ones (cause it cant get other than security update). Didnt prevent one security update to overwrite ownership of ALL files on PC tho.

Apart that, I love how even simple things just dont work.

You install system on PC n1. You install identical system on PC n2. You connect both to your wi-fi router. You put them in same workgroup. You make sure assigned IP is just one number from each other. You enable sharing. They cant see or find each other.

I mean, how.. how can MS fk up something so basic?

Ofc I solved that, but its unfathomable how something so basic just doesnt work.


Also game I used to play (addictive as heck so I stopped), one patch.. worked only on latest version of Win and wasnt working on any other. There wasnt any new feature tied to that specific version, it just didnt work on anything prior to that. Cool, eh? (Wasnt game dev intent, they eventually fixed it.)

Btw. quality control on MS store is also something. Some stuff is bordering on trojan/spyware stuff, if it works at all. All reviews are botted to death. State of MS store is basically worth suing them..

Yea, MS great, really. But thing is, most corporations just suck hard. Not just MS. For example quality of firmware patches for Samsung TVs is also spectacular, last for example completely broken HDMI 2.1.

 

[AusWolf]

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

I agree and disagree.

Linux is really easy to install, configure and use for general tasks. It has a hassle-free office tool, and a well-known web browser and media player pre-installed. The new application store on Ubuntu and Mint is super easy as well. Security is also better than Windows UAC.

Problems start when you need to run advanced commands. I just can't comprehend why they still can't get rid of that stupid 1980s terminal. I'm not gonna memorise a million commands for stuff that could easily be done through the GUI. People can call me lazy, but it's just the sad truth, sorry. Also, like I mentioned, LibreOffice is only good for working on your own. Once you need to send your documents to someone, you're screwed. Game compatibility isn't always trouble-free either.

 

[Mindweaver]

I loaded Mint on my old rog laptop with a gtx 670 and everything worked. I'm not sure I'll stay on it more than a week or two just to play around. I don't know it's growing on me. My main Linux laptop is an old Samsung AMD A6 and it's getting long in the tooth. I was planing to retire it and use this Asus Rog laptop it's beefer but it's huge.. and has a 180watt psu.. The Samsung is nice and thin and it actually holds a charge.. lol The ROG last like 10 minutes.. haha

 

[johnspack]

And after several years of playing with linux distros... I've been using windows since 3.0.... I settled on Kubuntu. My 2nd choice is Archlinux, but only enthusiasts need apply for that.
I use WinHQ wine, staging. I can run pretty much any windows app or game I dam well please. Of course I've spent several years acclimating myself to linux from windows.
You can run the newest versions of ms office just fine. Also I saw someone say something about Chrome. There is a native linux version of Chrome, don't worry... be happy heh!

 

[claes]

Problems start when you need to run advanced commands. I just can't comprehend why they still can't get rid of that stupid 1980s terminal. I'm not gonna memorise a million commands for stuff that could easily be done through the GUI. People can call me lazy, but it's just the sad truth, sorry. Also, like I mentioned, LibreOffice is only good for working on your own. Once you need to send your documents to someone, you're screwed. Game compatibility isn't always trouble-free either.

Out of curiosity, what sort of tasks do you need the command line for?

I mean, surely you understand why the command line exists, but I imagine you mean something like “common user tasks that are more accessible on other OS’s require knowledge of bash to execute”

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Linux on the desktop: an infinite source of pain.

Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns.

I wonder why this topic keeps getting updated.

I dont know if you are the author but you just started some anger from Linux fans because of your added commentary. "Don't believe anyone who says otherwise - you can try it of course and then run away with third-degree burns."


All TPU Linux users, hold your horses and just spend some time reading the article.The article is actually good. You may or you may not encounter what the problems are but Majority of what is written in the article are right.


He put a disclaimer as well. The problem is just the one who shared this article added a negativity on the title of the link and that tends us to react negative

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If you think any Linux criticism is only meant to groundlessly revile Linux, please close this page.
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If you think I'm here to spread lies or FUD about Linux, please close this page immediately and never ever come back. What are you doing here anyway? Please go back to flame wars and defamations.

Keep in mind that this list serves the purpose of showing what needs to be fixed in Linux rather than finding faults in it.

 

[johnspack]

Cmd exsists in windows as well "the command line terminal". The most powerful commands are in a windows cmd box. Ever heard of powershell?
Jeez, cmon. Windows, aka originally dos, stole a lot from unix. Which linux is based on.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Out of curiosity, what sort of tasks do you need the command line for?

I mean, surely you understand why the command line exists, but I imagine you mean something like “common user tasks that are more accessible on other OS’s require knowledge of bash to execute”

actually the CLI is really helpful when a software is not behaving properly. You launch the CLI, and start the program by typing the program name.. i.e. steam or firefox , it will show in there what the program is doing, or what the error is or warning (if there is of course). Try it

 

[The red spirit]

Out of curiosity, what sort of tasks do you need the command line for?

I mean, surely you understand why the command line exists, but I imagine you mean something like “common user tasks that are more accessible on other OS’s require knowledge of bash to execute”

I needed it to mess with pulseaudio bullshit and to install FreeOffice. I attempted to use it to install drivers, but it didn't work (neither I succeeded installing FreeOffice tbh). Some distros don't have any package manager, so you need to sudo it. I also needed it a lot to download CPU monitoring tool and then for hardware monitoring. It's so much needed that realistically, you absolutely need it for 40% of all stuff that you do. On something like raspberry Pi, at least in past, you had to use it to get any software.

 

[AusWolf]

Cmd exsists in windows as well "the command line terminal". The most powerful commands are in a windows cmd box. Ever heard of powershell?
Jeez, cmon. Windows, aka originally dos, stole a lot from unix. Which linux is based on.

The fact that they exist doesn't mean you need them like you need the Linux terminal.

Out of curiosity, what sort of tasks do you need the command line for?

For example, a couple weeks ago, I got a Raspberry pi with an attached HDD from a friend. Perfect home server / nas, he said. You only need one simple program to set it up (I can't remember its name). How does that look in my head? Attach Raspberry to a display, install software, do the settings, done. Is it like that in real life? Noooo, I had to Google for half an hour to get the 20 something terminal commands that install and configure the software for me. Why???

I mean, surely you understand why the command line exists, but I imagine you mean something like “common user tasks that are more accessible on other OS’s require knowledge of bash to execute”

That's exactly what I mean. Simple things that could be done through GUI should be done through GUI. Leave the terminal for programmers and debugging purposes.

 

[Mescalamba]

You definitely need CMD and PowerShell in Win 10. I use that more often than I would like..

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Problems start when you need to run advanced commands. I just can't comprehend why they still can't get rid of that stupid 1980s terminal. I'm not gonna memorise a million commands for stuff that could easily be done through the GUI. People can call me lazy, but it's just the sad truth, sorry. Also, like I mentioned, LibreOffice is only good for working on your own. Once you need to send your documents to someone, you're screwed. Game compatibility isn't always trouble-free either.

CLI commands have a couple of potential advantages over GUI versions:

1. Easier to write. You don't have to worry about choosing a graphical toolkit, making sure all the visual elements play nicely together, and designing the micro-GUI for your GUI tool
2. Scripting. Granted, many (most?) GUI programs on *NIX are frontends for a CLI command and can thus be called from a script, but scriptability is a pretty powerful tool.
3. Portability. This is mosly important in Linux land, where there are two variants of X and at least three major, plus more minor, desktop toolkits/environments.
4. Flexibility. As mentioned, there's stuff in Windows on CLI that is great for admins and power users that doesn't exist in the GUI. Robocopy is one, formatting and partitioning tools for a couple others.

Yeah, maybe some of this stuff could be enabled in GUI-land. But in my experience, the stuff that's currently CLI-only probably shouldn't be easily accessible to users with a surface understanding of the environment.

 

[Aquinus]

I use the terminal every day, but I'm also a software engineer so I use it for almost half of what I do. My work day usually starts with opening iterm, tmux, and a proxy to the dev database cluster. If I need to start the entire application, I'm doing that in the terminal. Before I switched to using IntelliJ, I'd use vim for editing stuff too and still sometimes do. Generally speaking, normal users don't care about the terminal or scripting. They want to be able to look at Facebook and cat pictures.

 

[Space Lynx]

So this thread has 7k views, 126 replies in one weeks' time.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah if I hadn't built my z490 rig I might not even have started using linux again
Haven't had any driver issues so far on mint cinn really at all I run 5.0 still no issues

I used linux solus plasma first it was nice and all but the newer internet nic wouldn't come up on startup so it was pretty annoying to disable it and enable it again to get internet
Plus support was lacking big time some needed wedgets/.. were not compatible pretty much why it's best to stick with the large distros like mint mate or cinnamon