I just switched to Linux Mint (latest beta release) I AM FREAKING IN LOVE!!! TAKE CARE WINDOWS 10 and 11 LMAO

[Ja.KooLit]

Hi,
Yeah if I hadn't built my z490 rig I might not even have started using linux again
Haven't had any driver issues so far on mint cinn really at all I run 5.0 still no issues

I used linux solus plasma first it was nice and all but the newer internet nic wouldn't come up on startup so it was pretty annoying to disable it and enable it again to get internet
Plus support was lacking big time some needed wedgets/.. were not compatible pretty much why it's best to stick with the large distros like mint mate or cinnamon

newer hardware requires newer kernel and mint uses an older kernel. When I upgrade my gpu to 6900xt, try to install mint, as it was my favorite distro, it boots fine and installs fine. After full update and first reboot, blank screen. Thats why I distro hop and found manjaro, a rolling release distro and uses newer kernel. eventually leads me to arch because of my newer laptop which requires newer kernel since patch is there. But arch is my favorite now. So why dont you try manjaro?

 

[Space Lynx]

newer hardware requires newer kernel and mint uses an older kernel. When I upgrade my gpu to 6900xt, try to install mint, as it was my favorite distro, it boots fine and installs fine. After full update and first reboot, blank screen. Thats why I distro hop and found manjaro, a rolling release distro and uses newer kernel. eventually leads me to arch because of my newer laptop which requires newer kernel since patch is there. But arch is my favorite now. So why dont you try manjaro?

so if I didn't sel my 5600x/rx 6800 rig I wouldn't be able to use mint with that setup???

 

[ThrashZone]

newer hardware requires newer kernel and mint uses an older kernel. When I upgrade my gpu to 6900xt, try to install mint, as it was my favorite distro, it boots fine and installs fine. After full update and first reboot, blank screen. Thats why I distro hop and found manjaro, a rolling release distro and uses newer kernel. eventually leads me to arch because of my newer laptop which requires newer kernel since patch is there. But arch is my favorite now. So why dont you try manjaro?

Hi,
I used mint cinn 3-4 years ago I think it was version 17.1 so I just went back now it's at 20.1 and it worked so I stopped looking

 

[Ja.KooLit]

so if I didn't sel my 5600x/rx 6800 rig I wouldn't be able to use mint with that setup???

I cant say. I really dont know why. But that is my experience. I have tried various distro. kde neon, debian, mx linux, kubuntu, ubuntu, mint, pop os and it just refuse to boot properly after full update. Hence observed the pattern and all ubuntu base. Fedora worked but damn that distro is just so slow. I dont get it as to why linus torvaldz says that is his favorite distro. ha ha..

take note that it is before gnome 40 and ubuntu 21.04 is out. Didnt bother to try it. And newer mint still uses 5.4 kernel which is meh... i know i will have issues unless I patch that kernel or create my own kernel

Hi,
I used mint cinn 3-4 years ago I think it was version 17.1 so I just went back now it's at 20.1 and it worked so I stopped looking

Ah great. Mint is really user friendly.

 

[Aquinus]

so if I didn't sel my 5600x/rx 6800 rig I wouldn't be able to use mint with that setup???

Depends on the driver that you use. If you have something brand new and the open source parts haven't made it into a mainline kernel or something, then you might have to use something like AMDGPU Pro for it to work initially. AMD's open source drivers lag behind the Pro driver a little bit in terms of support for the newest hardware, but that usually gets squared away pretty quickly. Stability tends to take a little bit of time though. In all seriousness AMDGPU is a great driver and has been a massive improvement for AMD card users in Linux. Support out of the box these days is pretty darn good, particularly if you're running mainline kernels.

 

[ThrashZone]

Ah great. Mint is really user friendly.

Hi,
Yeah I had things I wanted to do mostly movie downloads since I cut the cable finally lol and I looked at all of solus and also mate and just ended up on cinn again from lack of time to try other distros
I'm easily pleased and as long as this wedget I believe it is Indicator-cpufreq works to easily kick linux into performance power mode I'm open to try others eventually but again I haven't had any issues on z490 at all driver wise yet and I install all updates as they come along to cinn.

I was originally thinking about zorin but blew it off.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Depends on the driver that you use. If you have something brand new and the open source parts haven't made it into a mainline kernel or something, then you might have to use something like AMDGPU Pro for it to work initially. AMD's open source drivers lag behind the Pro driver a little bit in terms of support for the newest hardware, but that usually gets squared away pretty quickly. Stability tends to take a little bit of time though. In all seriousness AMDGPU is a great driver and has been a massive improvement for AMD card users in Linux. Support out of the box these days is pretty darn good, particularly if you're running mainline kernels.

aha. Now I know why. I think that is the reason why I had issues on distro that uses older kernel. Now i know.. cool. Thanks...

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Solus plasma was my favorite.

 

[AusWolf]

CLI commands have a couple of potential advantages over GUI versions:

1. Easier to write. You don't have to worry about choosing a graphical toolkit, making sure all the visual elements play nicely together, and designing the micro-GUI for your GUI tool
2. Scripting. Granted, many (most?) GUI programs on *NIX are frontends for a CLI command and can thus be called from a script, but scriptability is a pretty powerful tool.
3. Portability. This is mosly important in Linux land, where there are two variants of X and at least three major, plus more minor, desktop toolkits/environments.
4. Flexibility. As mentioned, there's stuff in Windows on CLI that is great for admins and power users that doesn't exist in the GUI. Robocopy is one, formatting and partitioning tools for a couple others.

Yeah, maybe some of this stuff could be enabled in GUI-land. But in my experience, the stuff that's currently CLI-only probably shouldn't be easily accessible to users with a surface understanding of the environment.

These are arguments for programmes and power users. How easy it is to write a program with or without GUI doesn't concern the end user.

 

[lexluthermiester]

so if I didn't sel my 5600x/rx 6800 rig I wouldn't be able to use mint with that setup???

No that's not the way it works, they're just yanking your chain... Download Mint, install it on your hardware of choice, enjoy.

 

[johnspack]

Well for newbies, it's looks like MX Linux has taken over the lead. Manjaro, an Arch disto is 2nd, and Mint is 3rd. Check Distrowatch.com....
Well, Manjaro is just popular... but MX Linux is beating MInt....

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well for newbies, it's looks like MX Linux has taken over the lead. Manjaro, an Arch disto is 2nd, and Mint is 3rd. Check Distrowatch.com....
Well, Manjaro is just popular... but MX Linux is beating MInt....

Popularity does not ensure usable functionality.

 

[Bones]

No that's not the way it works, they're just yanking your chain... Download Mint, install it on your hardware of choice, enjoy.

The thing is about mint is this and I did run into this problem with it, said as much about it too:

Using Peppermint because, unlike Mint it actually works with my newer AMD card (Radeon VII), Mint doesn't and always throws itself into CPU rendering mode with that card in use - I can't say if any other newer AMD GPU's are treated like this with Mint or not but that too has been my experience.

Mint is a good distro.
In fact probrably the best overall but I'll say again, if it's going to be problematic with newer AMD GPU's then it's still a problem regardless of how good the distro is.
I tried checking for updates and so on but with the card I've got nothing worked. It was always running in CPU rendering mode which just killed performance of the entire system.

After I gave Peppermint a shot it worked and that was that.
Speaking of the future of the Peppermint distro, I'm keeping an eye on how that develops with it, if Peppermint 11 is finally made then I'd have to see how well that turns out and it has been said already the team is working on it.

A previous point about it being at least two years since the current version (10) was released is a valid one, I'm hoping the team can keep it going. Since the 10 version is still current one could run it now if they want, people are always jumping distro's anyway so it's not a huge deal to go from one to the next if it doesn't really work out.

ATM I do have MX setup and so far it's not been bad at all, I'm still getting an idea of just how it is but can already say it's not bad.

I'll throw in a bit of personal Linux history about a distro that was released several years ago I was into but it died out, namely ArtistX Linux.
It was THE distro that got me into Linux in the first place and familiar with how Linux is and so on, but that distro is way old now (Last version was from 2013).

The author of it (from what I can tell) seemed to loose interest and the latest version of it was crap in comparison to the older ones.

Still have a disk with it I could install but as said it's well beyond outdated now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

In fact probrably the best overall but I'll say again, if it's going to be problematic with newer AMD GPU's then it's still a problem regardless of how good the distro is.
I tried checking for updates and so on but with the card I've got nothing worked. It was always running in CPU rendering mode which just killed performance of the entire system.

Ah but you never said whether you used the open source drivers or the official driver set from AMD. And I know they have a set for Radeon7. The open source drivers for AMD gpu's are good but not perfect. The official set from AMD has no known flaws last time I checked.

 

[Bones]

I tried the ones Mint suggested when I checked for updates and had it install those but of course it didn't work.
I can try it again soon to be sure which version (Source or official) it was leading me to and see if it works then and also know (Remember) which of the two versions it's installing.

I want to say it was the official drivers but can't honestly say that was the case since it's been awhile. All I can can say though is what happened and the outcome from it all.

 

[The red spirit]

1. Easier to write. You don't have to worry about choosing a graphical toolkit, making sure all the visual elements play nicely together, and designing the micro-GUI for your GUI tool
2. Scripting. Granted, many (most?) GUI programs on *NIX are frontends for a CLI command and can thus be called from a script, but scriptability is a pretty powerful tool.
3. Portability. This is mosly important in Linux land, where there are two variants of X and at least three major, plus more minor, desktop toolkits/environments.
4. Flexibility. As mentioned, there's stuff in Windows on CLI that is great for admins and power users that doesn't exist in the GUI. Robocopy is one, formatting and partitioning tools for a couple others.

So it's still useless for actual users. Meh.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I tried the ones Mint suggested when I checked for updates and had it install those but of course it didn't work.
I can try it again soon to be sure which version (Source or official) it was leading me to and see if it works then and also know (Remember) which of the two versions it's installing.

I want to say it was the official drivers but can't honestly say that was the case since it's been awhile. All I can can say though is what happened and the outcome from it all.

Cool. I think if you verify you're using the official set your problem will be gone.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

So it's still useless for actual users. Meh.

It depends from person to person and "actual users". I am not a programmer nor I can call myself a power user. But I have gone through Arch installation and eventually got comfortable in using CLI and I found it more easier to use and much faster to use.

 

[techtard]

Ah but you never said whether you used the open source drivers or the official driver set from AMD. And I know they have a set for Radeon7. The open source drivers for AMD gpu's are good but not perfect. The official set from AMD has no known flaws last time I checked.

I've been rolling exclusively with the open source drivers for years and they have improved by leaps and bounds. Now they're almost seamless. The only times I had problems were when I was using the cutting edge *buntu repositories from oibaf or padoka and they were briefly borked. But they got sorted out pretty quickly.
It seems that in benchmarks, the open source drivers have been faster than the closed drivers for a long time. At least last time I checked.

 

[claes]

So it's still useless for actual users. Meh.

Dude, we get it — you aren’t a user who makes registry edits to customize their experience, finds themselves using complex file system tools, has had to edit drivers to maintain compatibility with Windows updates/legacy hardware, have discovered all of the tools powershell offers, runs servers, writes scripts, enjoys the tens of thousands of free apps and tools that WSL gives you access to, cares about how their operating system works, bothers to read the docs, etc.

Stop trolling, or at least try to install Windows 10 on a machine from the aughts (or 11 on a five year old machine for that matter) and get back to us. Or I dunno buy a Mac where everything “just works” (you’ll still be on Unix though) or buy into cloud gaming.

I’m sorry that Linux didn’t work out for you, but there’s no reason to be condescending about it. “Actual users” include my 70+ parents that use Linux, people raised on DOS, tinkerers, people who enjoy privacy and ownership of their system, enthusiasts, tens of thousands of workplace users, every android Mac and PlayStation user, developers, programmers, scientists, AV enthusiasts, almost everyone who runs any server, most enterprises, security specialists, the stock exchange and its traders, NASA, the cloud and web in general, nvidia, AMD, Intel, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft (apparently their staff loves Macs), Google, your average wordpress user (60% of website owners), serious Bitcoin miners, almost everyone who is developing and designing PC components... It’s a lot more common and much more hardware agnostic than you are giving it credit for based on your apparently limited and frustrating personal experience. Some us even prefer a terminal to GUIs (mice slow me down). It’s nbd.

 

[AusWolf]

Dude, we get it — you aren’t a user who makes registry edits to customize their experience, finds themselves using complex file system tools, has had to edit drivers to maintain compatibility with Windows updates/legacy hardware, have discovered all of the tools powershell offers, runs servers, writes scripts, enjoys the tens of thousands of free apps and tools that WSL gives you access to, cares about how their operating system works, bothers to read the docs, etc.

That's the point: some of us don't need Powershell to do the things we want to do on an OS. And that's fine with Windows, but the terminal is Linux's bread and butter. If this wasn't the case, and compatibility with Windows apps was better, I'm pretty sure a lot more people (at least tech-oriented ones) would turn towards Linux. For example, I would.

Stop trolling, or at least try to install Windows 10 on a machine from the aughts (or 11 on a five year old machine for that matter) and get back to us. Or I dunno buy a Mac where everything “just works” (you’ll still be on Unix though) or buy into cloud gaming.

I haven't had any trouble installing Windows 10 on anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. I also don't know what this has got to do with the topic at hand.

As for trolling: I don't think saying that the terminal is irrelevant for most end users counts as trolling, but telling other forum members what to do sure does.

It depends from person to person and "actual users". I am not a programmer nor I can call myself a power user. But I have gone through Arch installation and eventually got comfortable in using CLI and I found it more easier to use and much faster to use.

I guess your brain works that way, which is cool. As for me, having to memorise command line instructions is just as freaky as having to memorise useless formulae for science class used to be.

 

[The red spirit]

Stop trolling, or at least try to install Windows 10 on a machine from the aughts (or 11 on a five year old machine for that matter) and get back to us. Or I dunno buy a Mac where everything “just works” (you’ll still be on Unix though) or buy into cloud gaming.

I'm not trolling, I just think that linux in general has too many problems to actually be used. And linux CLI isn't particularly good CLI either. And Mac just plainly sucks, so that's also hard nope.

I’m sorry that Linux didn’t work out for you, but there’s no reason to be condescending about it. “Actual users” include my 70+ parents that use Linux, people raised on DOS, tinkerers, people who enjoy privacy and ownership of their system, enthusiasts, tens of thousands of workplace users, every android Mac and PlayStation user, developers, programmers, scientists, AV enthusiasts, almost everyone who runs any server, most enterprises, security specialists, the stock exchange and its traders, NASA, the cloud and web in general, nvidia, AMD, Intel, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft (apparently their staff loves Macs), Google, your average wordpress user (60% of website owners), serious Bitcoin miners, almost everyone who is developing and designing PC components... It’s a lot more common and much more hardware agnostic than you are giving it credit for based on your apparently limited and frustrating personal experience. Some us even prefer a terminal to GUIs (mice slow me down). It’s nbd.

Dude, some linux things are certainly great, no discussion about that, but as long as there are some fatal flaws that i mentioned, it still remains as cool concept, but unusable in real life for home user.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

I'm not trolling, I just think that linux in general has too many problems to actually be used. And linux CLI isn't particularly good CLI either. And Mac just plainly sucks, so that's also hard nope.



Dude, some linux things are certainly great, no discussion about that, but as long as there are some fatal flaws that i mentioned, it still remains as cool concept, but unusable in real life for home user.

Dude, you are clearly trolling now. You are in a linux group / thread discussion and talking against linux. thats already trolling

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
From what I've found out linux support quality has dropped a bunch since mint 17, this was a basic issue many in the USA have I'm sure

I asked back then how to fix my clock from being 6 hours off when I boot back into windows bad thing linux was changing the bios clock too which is what is really annoying and pretty much why windows was so far off 6 hours to be exact lol
I got a nice response to use and it fixed it

Of course in version 20 it didn't work so I asked again same linux mint forum site and got nothing but windows is wrong and linux is right blah.....
So I had to search and found the string on ghacks.net to use this one
sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc 1

Not sure why anyone would want their bios clock set in a time region other than their local region but I sure do not so not all peaches and cream in linux or their support either lol

 

[AusWolf]

Hi,
From what I've found out linux support quality has dropped a bunch since mint 17, this was a basic issue many in the USA have I'm sure

I asked back then how to fix my clock from being 6 hours off when I boot back into windows bad thing linux was changing the bios clock too which is what is really annoying and pretty much why windows was so far off 6 hours to be exact lol
I got a nice response to use and it fixed it

Of course in version 20 it didn't work so I asked again same linux mint forum site and got nothing but windows is wrong and linux is right blah.....
So I had to search and found the string on ghacks.net to use this one
sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc 1

Not sure why anyone would want their bios clock set in a time region other than their local region but I sure do not so not all peaches and cream in linux or their support either lol

That's weird. Did you try manually setting the clock in bios?