Caselabs Returns

[Punx223]

I can't wait till you all learn about 3D Printers

 

[thesmokingman]

I can't wait till you all learn about 3D Printers

Haha, yea everyone with a printer is their own lil Shenzhen factory.

 

[Punx223]

Haha, yea everyone with a printer is their own lil Shenzhen factory.

Ok not gonna lie, I lost some water to my keyboard on that one.

*Looks over at my SLA and FDM printers*

DAMMIT

 

[phanbuey]

Yeah right same argument - "everyone is doing it... business 101" blah blah. That's why TT is generally considered garbage. Mountain Mods and Danger Den had their own looks and their own layouts -- their own designs. They all took inspiration from each other but they are all different (as you can see from my DD tower 21 in my avatar) -- look at that TT photo again, it's just a straight rip. Like if I took TPU and just copied it and started a rival site doing absolutely no design work of my own.

If your best argument is "Everyone is doing it", "they didn't fill out the correct paperwork" and "3D printers let people do it too" then - I'm sorry but those aren't very good arguments. 3D printers let people customize their cases to their own needs. TT doesn't customize anything. Some companies are big enough to survive and withstand cheap copies, caselabs was not one of them.

If you guys want to sit around and use the same 3 arguments to justify stealing then ok... But let's not pretend this issue is more complicated than it is. TT stole some case designs and have the worst reputation in the industry for exactly that.

 

[claes]

As a lawyer, you also know that in many situations a cease and desist can easily be challenged if it was a BS bully tactic by a company.

As someone who was blamed directly by CL in their BS and lies, I can tell you that Sneeky is telling you the truth.

I have not and will not go into all of the details, but let's just say this... I met the owners of CL at PDXLAN, and even thanked them for supporting a great community. I saw their product and told them"You guys make some great chassis, but be ready as we have our own modular chassis coming soon"... Far different than the story from father and son owners of CL, in which case I had asked them if I could take pictures to send to my design team so we can make it (Who the hell with any sense would actually do that?!?)

My only saving grace in the situation was the abundance of people (modders and attendees who observed the kind exchange) who backed what actually took place when this all came about while I was in TW for Computex.

The major issue came down to a lot of media taking CL at their word and publishing stories saying Tt copied a bunch of products including the Swiftech apogee. Which I personally found quite humorous, as I am good friends with Gabe the founder/owner of Swiftech, and even helped set up comms with Tt and Swiftech to license and have the block produced by Swiftech.

Long story short, I worked with the Thermaltake design team to revolutionize their case models, and many of the effects can be seen to this day in various capacities.


Do I think the Core W and Core X series was similar to the CL offerings? yea, probably, but then again, before raising the pitchforks, you should probably ask Ben from Mountain Mods, his feelings when CL essentially took his idea and made it their own... or Antec about Fractal... the list can go on forever.

Anyways, at least now you know the basics of the shit show that was CL trying to save face as their bad business decisions for their main company sunk the lot. (TLR CL's parent company f****d up and leveraged themselves too far and when a major client defaulted they could not recover...hence CL dies with the main ALU/metal fab company)

Even if Tt had never made any of the core cases everyone claims was a ripoff of CL, the writing was on the wall, and when the client defaulted, they would have faltered.

Cheers,
Shannon (Formerly of Thermaltake)

Lemme take the word of a really angry and defensive person who is completely embroiled in/at the center of the accusations… Very compelling, so much good faith

(this is exactly why small companies run away from cease and desists — giant companies like TT can afford to spend years negotiating heresay, smaller companies can’t. Do you pay attention to IP law in your industry at all?)

 

[Punx223]

Lemme take the word of a really angry and defensive person who is completely embroiled in/at the center of the accusations… Very compelling, so much good faith

(this is exactly why small companies run away from cease and desists — giant companies like TT can afford to spend years negotiating heresay, smaller companies can’t. Do you pay attention to IP law in your industry at all?)

My apologies if anything seemed angry and defensive, I had admittedly lost all care to give about this topic long ago.

I simply thought the TPU community valued actual data and not bloviated untrue claims which are continually regurgitated.

I guessed wrong I suppose.

Either way, you do you.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Haven't looked but I can probably assume TT will not be making aluminum cases lol

 

[sneekypeet]

Yeah right same argument - "everyone is doing it... business 101" blah blah. That's why TT is generally considered garbage. Mountain Mods and Danger Den had their own looks and their own layouts -- their own designs. They all took inspiration from each other but they are all different (as you can see from my DD tower 21 in my avatar) -- look at that TT photo again, it's just a straight rip. Like if I took TPU and just copied it and started a rival site doing absolutely no design work of my own.

If your best argument is "Everyone is doing it", "they didn't fill out the correct paperwork" and "3D printers let people do it too" then - I'm sorry but those aren't very good arguments. 3D printers let people customize their cases to their own needs. TT doesn't customize anything. Some companies are big enough to survive and withstand cheap copies, caselabs was not one of them.

If you guys want to sit around and use the same 3 arguments to justify stealing then ok... But let's not pretend this issue is more complicated than it is. TT stole some case designs and have the worst reputation in the industry for exactly that.

Point was they all sold unassembled flat pack cases. TT was the only one that made the idea an actual affordable, assembled case, and is the evil one for it

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Point was they all sold unassembled flat pack cases. TT was the only one that made the idea an actual affordable, assembled case, and is the evil one for it

Not forgetting CL cases didn't even come with PCI slot covers, iirc they were a $30 extra, ridiculous. CL where overpriced, don't know why people think they were the be all.

 

[claes]

My apologies if anything seemed angry and defensive, I had admittedly lost all care to give about this topic long ago.

I simply thought the TPU community valued actual data and not bloviated untrue claims which are continually regurgitated.

I guessed wrong I suppose.

Either way, you do you.

Love this post, way to dig your heels in the shit show rather than patiently explain… I’m not even a big fan of CL (although I wish I could’ve tried the bullet series), but this arrogance and contempt says a lot. Sorry people are calling you out for ripping people off, and apparently making TT more profitable in doing so, but you reap what you sow.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

My apologies if anything seemed angry and defensive, I had admittedly lost all care to give about this topic long ago.

I simply thought the TPU community valued actual data and not bloviated untrue claims which are continually regurgitated.

I guessed wrong I suppose.

Either way, you do you.

I guess people prefer, the random crap off the net, rather than from someone who worked at Tt and met CL owners.

I just hope if CL do reappear, it's not the same overpriced diy boxes that cost fortune and come with zero extras.

 

[HammerON]

I think this conversation has run it's course. Please refrain from further banter about CL/TT and who came out with what case first.
Let's focus on the discussion of CL returning to the market.
I find it a little disturbing that we have some members who cannot "play nice in the sandbox" with others they disagree with.