"Few" weeks? You sure you didn't want to write quarter in there?Especially that Zen 4 will come a few weeks later.
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
Probaby true, larger caches are the way forward - but an expensive one. SRAM scales very poorly with new nodes, for example, TSMC N3 will deliver a 1.7× increase in logic density but only a 1.2× increase in SRAM cell density relative to TSMC N5.it's only a matter of time before massive L3 caches become a norm if not a necessity for big IPC gains!
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
I dont think it matters when zen4 is coming and that is definitely not few weeks.Well, in the best case 6-7% performance increase and up to 15% in the cherry-picked best case apps.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Especially that Zen 4 will come a few weeks later.
I dont think it matters when zen4 is coming and that is definitely not few weeks.
6-7% is your guess I think it will be higher. Up to 15% AVERAGE performance increase according to WCFFTECH. It will look different across the board and I can bet, gaming will gain the most from the V-cash.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
Well that is my point from my previous post. How is the sales weak? What shows it is weak because I clearly don't see it as weak sales.It really doesn't matter.
The real reason for the weak CPU sales is the GPUs unavailability and scalper pricing.
No one in the right mind builds a new full system today.
And it will probably get only worse.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Easy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to usgaming will gain the most from the V-cash.
There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!Vermeer-S is unlikely to persuade people to buy into an end-of-line AM4 platform
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
ahhh to fast to furiousEasy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to us
There's plenty of options. Zen3d is on an older platform this will be a cheaper option either way than anything with DDR5. Plust AM4 has stability, maturity that kinda stuff.There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!
Processor | Ryzen 5 5700x |
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Motherboard | B550 Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Perless Assassin 120 SE |
Memory | 32GB Fury Beast DDR4 3200Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 3060 ti gaming oc pro |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, WD SN850x 1TB, plus some random HDDs |
Display(s) | LG 27gp850 1440p 165Hz 27'' |
Case | Lian Li Lancool II performance |
Power Supply | MSI 750w |
Mouse | G502 |
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
ADL right now is a mix of new and old technologies because you can't put together an ADL + DDR5 system, and you won't be able to in the foreseeable future. (Unless Intel starts making those pesky PMICs yesterday, in large quantities, which would actually be wise.) I think a lot of enthusiast builders are put off by this fact alone, no matter how good ADL + DDR4 systems can be.Easy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to us
There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!
Well that is my point from my previous post. How is the sales weak? What shows it is weak because I clearly don't see it as weak sales.
System Name | Legion |
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Processor | i7-12700KF |
Motherboard | Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO |
Memory | PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB |
Storage | WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440 |
Case | Montech Air X |
Power Supply | Corsair CX750M |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 25 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys |
Software | Lots |
These are bad sales? 70% CPUs sold is from AMD vs 30% Intel. How is that bad? Yeah they have sold less than previous months but it is still way over Intel's Maybe the demand has dropped but AMD is still outselling Intel big time.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock |
Motherboard | X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro |
System Name | Legion |
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Processor | i7-12700KF |
Motherboard | Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO |
Memory | PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB |
Storage | WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440 |
Case | Montech Air X |
Power Supply | Corsair CX750M |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 25 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys |
Software | Lots |
I find it fascinating out here in the states as well.... A ton of people must have AM4 motherboards because even though the 12600k and 12700k tend to be much better buys in their price category people still seem to be buying Ryzen instead for the most part.
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On a side note Newegg shoppers seem way more in the know than amazon ones..... The 3600 is a terrible buy guessing people with B350/X370 boards might be opting for it.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock |
Motherboard | X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro |
Intel's AL release is very limited due to the Z690 and the type of motherboards released, and that is probably by design. We may see a whole different landscape in a couple of months.
Take myself as an example. I have a mATX case and motherboard. I can fit ITX and mATX, nothing larger.
Here are my choices at Newegg (shipped and sold by - I don't do 3rd tier) - Note that the STRIX is a DDR5 motherboard, and I can't get DDR5 :
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Here's my choices at Microcenter - again the Strix is a DDR5 only motherboard, the Gigabyte is a less desirable for me ITX:
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Best Buy has nothing but ATX and eATX.
From a value perspective, I have no choices. I either buy an overpriced ITX board, or nothing, as I don't see DDR5 being an option right now with virtually no supply.
I would actually be better off buying a new case. I don't really want a full size ATX though, and I'm not interested in paying for a high end ITX motherboard that I would just throw into my perfectly fine mATX case.
In the end I'm mostly playing newegg shuffle for a 3060Ti and waiting for Intel's midrange chipsets
System Name | HELL->o! |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
Motherboard | MSI MEG X570S Ace Max |
Cooling | be quiet! Pure Loop 120 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill RipjawsV 3600CL14 [14-14-14-34]@1.456V |
Video Card(s) | 6800 XT Red Devil |
Storage | 4x M.2; 3x Sata SSD |
Display(s) | MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD&Asus VG248QE |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent |
Audio Device(s) | JBL 4305p & JBL 4329p | EPOS H3PRO Hybrid |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime TX-1000 |
Mouse | ReDragon M711 FPS |
Keyboard | ReDragon Broadsword |
Software | Win10 Pro 64 |
Benchmark Scores | No |
Just get over yourself with the google searches; first you incorrectly use that clichee about one swallow, (not a bird) not making spring(not summer) come and now with the "few weeks" google search;All right, 12 weeks.
"A few" - used to emphasize how small the number is
a few meaning - Google Search
System Name | Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load) |
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Processor | Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core) |
Motherboard | Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded) |
Cooling | Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate |
Memory | 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V) |
Video Card(s) | Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W)) |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2 |
Display(s) | Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144) |
Case | Fractal Design R6 |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic |
Power Supply | Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY) |
Mouse | Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps) |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S + Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware! |
Benchmark Scores | Nyooom. |
Because the GPU is the limit at 4K, alwaysI don't think that Vermeer-S will be more than 1-2% faster than Vermeer non-S at 3840x2160 games maxed out.
15,000 against 36,000 last November? You think sales are not weak? They are disastrously bad!
Processor | Ryzen 5 5700x |
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Motherboard | B550 Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Perless Assassin 120 SE |
Memory | 32GB Fury Beast DDR4 3200Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 3060 ti gaming oc pro |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, WD SN850x 1TB, plus some random HDDs |
Display(s) | LG 27gp850 1440p 165Hz 27'' |
Case | Lian Li Lancool II performance |
Power Supply | MSI 750w |
Mouse | G502 |