AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[R0H1T]

You could probably ask if ASUS can lend you one of their Beta/Alpha BIOS to test the chip out further ~

MSI X570 Beta BIOS Enables Ryzen 7 5800X3D Tweaking

A user (via Komachi_Ensaka(opens in new tab)) on the MSI forums(opens in new tab) has shared a beta firmware for MSI's MEG X570 Unify motherboard that unlocks several previously unavailable options for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Before the Ryzen 7 5800X3D's launch, AMD had confirmed that overclocking...

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Pretty sure they're also working on easing some of the restrictions on this, not unlike MSI.

Also the mandatory "Try try this at your own risk" warning

 

[gffermari]

That is extremely low. The best I could do so far with the PBO curve tool was 15013.

How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/README.md at main · PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner

Get the Most out of your 5800X3D using PBO Curve Optimizer! - PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner

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Yes it was.

Using PBO2 tuner, I get 4350 all core in Cinebench and about 14700 points.
Still I haven't managed to get this level of performance tweaking only the BIOS settings.
Enabling the PBO in BIOS and using the PBO2 tuner, I managed to get a reasonable level of performance out of it.

 

[Amaze]

Yes it was.

Using PBO2 tuner, I get 4350 all core in Cinebench and about 14700 points.
Still I haven't managed to get this level of performance tweaking only settings the BIOS settings.
Enabling the PBO in BIOS and using the PBO2 tuner, I managed to get a reasonable level of performance out of it.

That's more like it

 

[HenrySomeone]

Very impressive. Not sure why they are stealth launching this, it matches or beats the limited ediition behemoth power guzzling 12900KS for a much, much lower price.

Low stock maybe?

It does NOT match or beat the KS when the latter is in fact 2% faster on average while certainly not using much more power while gaming (this myth needs to stop). Oh and it absolutely demolishes it in everything else at a comparable energy efficiency:

 

[gffermari]

loool mate.
We're talking about a 2 years old tech 8 core cpu with some added cache at 4.5Ghz at best and you for a 800e 5.5Ghz monstrosity with pcie5 and ddr5.

The 3D is not worth it because it's expensive for not being an all around cpu. A theoretical 5900X3D would be that.
The KS is just not worth it.

 

[Amaze]

A whopping 2% eh.
Either way, those power consumption numbers are demolished by the optimized curve that users have discovered.

 

[HenrySomeone]

loool mate.
We're talking about a 2 years old tech 8 core cpu with some added cache at 4.5Ghz at best and you for a 800e 5.5Ghz monstrosity with pcie5 and ddr5.

The 3D is not worth it because it's expensive for not being an all around cpu. A theoretical 5900X3D would be that.
The KS is just not worth it.

Of course the KS isn't worth it for most people, even if they are assembling a high end gaming system, BUT it is the best in pretty much everything down the line, while the X3D is only the best gaming Ryzen, while getting smoked even by the lowly (in comparison, especially price wise) 12600k in everything else. It should be a $300 chip and I suspect the price will eventually get there...or they'll just stop making them after all the hardcore AMD enthusiasts will already have them and no one else will take a second glance at it anymore. Either way, we'll see, but honestly even at 300, it would be a somewhat difficult sell to someone buying an all new platform...

 

[Dr. Dro]

Of course the KS isn't worth it for most people, even if they are assembling a high end gaming system, BUT it is the best in pretty much everything down the line, while the X3D is only the best gaming Ryzen, while getting smoked even by the lowly (in comparison, especially price wise) 12600k in everything else. It should be a $300 chip and I suspect the price will eventually get there...or they'll just stop making them after all the hardcore AMD enthusiasts will already have them and no one else will take a second glance at it anymore. Either way, we'll see, but honestly even at 300, it would be a somewhat difficult sell to someone buying an all new platform...

We 5950X owners say hi and send our heartfelt regards.

A whopping 2% eh.
Either way, those power consumption numbers are demolished by the optimized curve that users have discovered.

I still find it amazing that as power efficient as Zen 3 is, there's still room for improvement in them. It's a shame that the 5800X3D doesn't seem to have gone through the standard binning process, they just test if the cores work and ship the processor, which is why you're seeing so many of them doing -25 to -30 in the curve optimizer. Those values would indicate that the processors are quite horribly binned, but given the fixed v/f curve that makes sense. If eventually unlocked (even if extraofficially), it'd be interesting to see how different X3Ds behave, as the other Ryzen SKUs seem to live and die by their binning quality (e.g. 5950X's and very narrow CO range).

My personal 5950X only does -2 all-core, even if setting -2 and then -3 to the cores identified as the best ones will still result in a crash. The PBO scalar setting introduces crashes above 1x and it also hates to have the XFR frequency range increased, even if by just 50 MHz. It's an excellent bin CPU, even without PBO it tends to clock itself very, very generously, which is why I kind of get cold feet about upgrading it. Might just wait for the chance to buy something like a C8DH or C8E cheaper once they're no longer the flagships

 

[HenrySomeone]

A whopping 2% eh.
Either way, those power consumption numbers are demolished by the optimized curve that users have discovered.

Definitely not whopping, no, but it's not the other way around like the guy states and just like I said above - for purely gaming neither of these two is a smart choice. Also, not sure what kind of optimized curve you're talking about.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Definitely not whopping, no, but it's not the other way around like the guy states and just like I said above - for purely gaming neither of these two is a smart choice. Also, not sure what kind of optimized curve you're talking about.

Maximizing Ryzen 5000 Performance With AMD Curve Optimizer

AMD's new AGESA update adds simple controls for complex overclocking and under-volting that can bring nice performance gains.

hothardware.com

This. On Intel processors you still do traditional multiplier-based overclocks, but on AMD, you can simply tweak and reprogram the processor's reliability algorithm using the provided curve optimizer function to extract every last bit of performance your processor has, with 25 MHz granularity, since the multipliers on Ryzen are adjustable in 0.25x steps. The best part is that it does that by itself, all you need to be concerned with is keeping it cold. Due to being locked and programmed with a fixed curve, the X3D seems to have very, very loose binning. PBO2 Tuner works but it's not even *supposed* to, Ryzen Master and BIOSes won't allow CO adjustment even to negative voltage points.

 

[Tomorrow]

AMD should really have kept negativce CO for X3D. It does not harm the cache and actually improves (atleast multithreaded) performance.
I mean they had a whole year to work on it and test it with various settings.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Yup, as soon as Intel's 10nm chips finally came out, AMD has already started to drift towards their once common practices, namely taking too long to get something new out and even then, it's not properly polished. It probably won't be long before they'll be OCing their chips to high heavens (in the manner of their black edition skus) in hopes of catching up or rather not falling behind even more. My bet would be after Meteor Lake lands next year, but could be even sooner as 13900k with its 24 cores is bound to be a multi thread monster!

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yup, as soon as Intel's 10nm chips finally came out, AMD has already started to drift towards their once common practices, namely taking too long to get something new out and even then, it's not properly polished. It probably won't be long before they'll be OCing their chips to high heavens (in the manner of their black edition skus) in hopes of catching up or rather not falling behind even more. My bet would be after Meteor Lake lands next year, but could be even sooner as 13900k with its 24 cores is bound to be a multi thread monster!

Hey you can't say that. you will hurt about 60% of TPU members feelings /s

 

[Mussels]

well you're flatlining 80C, you're thermal throttling


for <100Hz gaming, get an i5 or R5 and go play games.
You only need the faster chips (especially the x3D) for high refresh rate gaming, where the 99% lows are smoother.

 

[Tomorrow]

Good news for 5800X3D owners on MSI X570 Unify:

MSI's BETA X570 BIOS For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Allows Users To Tweak VCore, Precision Boost & Curve Optimizer

MSI has a new BETA BIOS out for its X570 motherboards that enable users to further tweak their AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU.

wccftech.com

 

[Amaze]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D im Test: Mit 3D-V-Cache und hoher Effizienz gegen Intel

Auf dieser Seite beschäftigen wir uns mit der Leistungsaufnahme des Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Wir prüfen zudem, wie effizient die CPU in Spielen ist und bilden dafür die Fps pro Watt ab.

www-pcgameshardware-de.translate.goog

 

[fevgatos]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D im Test: Mit 3D-V-Cache und hoher Effizienz gegen Intel

Auf dieser Seite beschäftigen wir uns mit der Leistungsaufnahme des Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Wir prüfen zudem, wie effizient die CPU in Spielen ist und bilden dafür die Fps pro Watt ab.

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I admire the reviewers wrok, testing 50 cpus or whatever, but 4400ddr5? I mean...come on.

 

[Amaze]

I admire the reviewers wrok, testing 50 cpus or whatever, but 4400ddr5? I mean...come on.

Yeah not the best but according to this Toms article, going from 4800 to 6200 didn't have a meaningful impact on game performance.

Intel Alder Lake RAM Guide: Picking Between DDR4 and DDR5

Choose wisely and save money.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[fevgatos]

Yeah not the best but according to this Toms article, going from 4800 to 6200 didn't have a meaningful impact on game performance.

Intel Alder Lake RAM Guide: Picking Between DDR4 and DDR5

Choose wisely and save money.

www.tomshardware.com

Thats bs, there is actually a huge difference if you are cpu benching,meaning high end gpu on low resolution

 

[Amaze]

Thats bs, there is actually a huge difference if you are cpu benching,meaning high end gpu on low resolution

Can you show me some examples?

 

[Mussels]

TPU's reviews say latency helps more than MHz
DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review - Application Performance | TechPowerUp

low res gaming is similar, with Gear 2 at "low" RAM speeds being the worst way to run it

 

[fevgatos]

Can you show me some examples?

Ive tested on my pc, 6000c30 1t that im running right now is up to 40% faster than 4800c40 in cyberpunk and sotr. Haven't tested more games, but its kinda obvious there is a big difference

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Ive tested on my pc, 6000c30 1t that im running right now is up to 40% faster than 4800c40 in cyberpunk and sotr. Haven't tested more games, but its kinda obvious there is a big difference

W1zzard posts actual proof,. That's kinda obvious, what your saying is 99.9% your opinion until you back it up with 100% proof.
Until then it's lips flapping.

 

[fevgatos]

W1zzard posts actual proof,. That's kinda obvious, what your saying is 99.9% your opinion until you back it up with 100% proof.
Until then it's lips flapping.

Actual proof... As in, pretty bars made on paint. Dont have any problem with his reviews, but don't tell me they contain actual proof, cause they just dont. Bars made on paint is not proof.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Actual proof... As in, pretty bars made on paint. Dont have any problem with his reviews, but don't tell me they contain actual proof, cause they just dont. Bars made on paint is not proof.

Right your going on ignore.

You need to realise, your proof is actually nothing, word's.

If I and many others didn't think the likes of w1zzard uses actual benchmarks, collates results , then presents those results in an informative way to PROVE they're opinion and any statements, this site wouldn't still be here for you to flap your mouth in while showing zero proofs.

I know which opinion I'm backing, and you going on ignore should tell you it's not yours.