Worlds lightest Orbea Oiz XC bike

[Deleted member 24505]

8.85KG. Now that is impressive for a full susser, it's a very nice piece of kit too. I'd love to have a try of this.
https://bikerumor.com/orbea-oiz-8-85kg-lightweight-brujula-xc-bike/

 

[Fangio1951]

V/nice, but = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[eazen]

Price so high it’s not even mentioned yea it looks great but what’s the point

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Price so high it’s not even mentioned yea it looks great but what’s the point

A standard Orbea Oiz is £6.5k and weighs 10.2KG

The German made Bike Ahead Biturbo RS monocoque 6-spoke carbon wheels are gorgeous, only weigh 1.2KG but have a non fatty limit of 95KG

 

[Blaeza]

95 KG limit! One hop from me and it's game over.

 

[eazen]

A standard Orbea Oiz is £6.5k and weighs 10.2KG

The German made Bike Ahead Biturbo RS monocoque 6-spoke carbon wheels are gorgeous, only weigh 1.2KG but have a non fatty limit of 95KG

I’d be able to handle that, but I think that German bike is even more expensive. Fact is I just bought a new bike and it’s lighter than my old one. I think the diminishing returns on bikes are even worse than on cars, high end graphics cards are a bargain compared to this. 5kg less compared to my normal bike, but I don’t even care, it’s part of my training to move that. My old bike was over 20kg, old aluminum with double springs.

 

[Operandi]

This is the bike industry equivalent of those one off Ferrari's and Lamo's that get built by Saudis that literally have more money than they know what to do with. People obviously build bikes like this cause they are retail products but I really wonder to what extent they really get ridden for what they are designed for just like those one of a kind super cars.

I also wonder how those wheels ride, I bet they are stiff AF and have very little compliance. Also those brakes look insanely small, are those 160mm rotors? Also, also, you'd be way faster overall on most trails / courses by taking a few Kg hit and adding a dropper post but then the bike would be back at 10 Kg and nobody would be talking about it. Also, also, also, odd choice going with the stock SRAM crankset (is that the stock cassette too?), I know its carbon but there are lighter options out there.

I think the diminishing returns on bikes are even worse than on cars, high end graphics cards are a bargain compared to this. 5kg less compared to my normal bike, but I don’t even care, it’s part of my training to move that. My old bike was over 20kg, old aluminum with double springs.

Its kinda the same thing with every industry that has an extreme enthusiast segment. Just look at some of the 5 figure options you can get on a Porsche or some of the absolutely insane things people buy in the audio industry (by far the worst offender in my opinion).

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I have fox kashima forks on my bike. They are light and the coating is very durable it seems. It's only a hardtail though, can't afford a really nice sub 20KG susser, and don't want a stupid DH bike to ride as a general bike as i see some morons do.

 

[eazen]

This is the bike industry equivalent of those one off Ferrari's and Lamo's that get built by Saudis that literally have more money than they know what to do with. People obviously build bikes like this cause they are retail products but I really wonder to what extent they really get ridden for what they are designed for just like those one of a kind super cars.

I also wonder how those wheels ride, I bet they are stiff AF and have very little compliance. Also those brakes look insanely small, are those 160mm rotors? Also, also, you'd be way faster overall on most trails / courses by taking a few Kg hit and adding a dropper post but then the bike would be back at 10 Kg and nobody would be talking about it. Also, also, also, odd choice going with the stock SRAM crankset (is that the stock cassette too?), I know its carbon but there are lighter options out there.


Its kinda the same thing with every industry that has an extreme enthusiast segment. Just look at some of the 5 figure options you can get on a Porsche or some of the absolutely insane things people buy in the audio industry (by far the worst offender in my opinion).

Yep, audiophiles are the most insane people, because they actually think it’s worth to pay 5-10x more to have slightly better sound. Mostly headphones for about 300-500$ are comparable to way more expensive ones, but of course you can also buy ones for 5000$-10000$ if you want. I don’t think these bikes are bad, they look really sophisticated, but doesn’t mean they are the best either. I think bikes are good for up to 3000$ and after that it gets ridiculous, so it’s not nearly as bad as with audio equipment, where after 500$ it’s just a lot of money to burn for the most minimal gains ever, where a lot of it is also just fantasy and placebo. With cars it’s also more about exclusivity, brand and sheer power, and then most people use them as assets anyway and don’t even drive it, so it’s very different to anything else mentioned.

 

[dgianstefani]

If you like expensive parts have a look at https://www.thm.bike/en/.

I have a few of their bits on my 7kg titanium road bike. It's an Opera Palladio, with full Dura Ace 9100.

 

[Blaeza]

If you like expensive parts have a look at https://www.thm.bike/en/.

I have a few of their bits on my 7kg titanium road bike. It's an Opera Palladio, with full Dura Ace 9100.

Oooh, shiny... I ride BMX street so my bike is double the weight of yours but I can jump a 10 stairset and it doesn't fold in half.

 

[The red spirit]

Oooh, shiny... I ride BMX street so my bike is double the weight of yours but I can jump a 10 stairset and it doesn't fold in half.

You jump everywhere, meanwhile I with my cheap MTB just drive on curbs and speed through potholes. I also abuse it in sand, gravel, sometimes in mud and cobbled streets. Decade later I still haven't popped the tires or bent rims.

 

[eazen]

You jump everywhere, meanwhile I with my cheap MTB just drive on curbs and speed through potholes. I also abuse it in sand, gravel, sometimes in mud and cobbled streets. Decade later I still haven't popped the tires or bent rims.

I used my old MB for over 17 years, it’s great to have a nice MB.

 

[Operandi]

I have fox kashima forks on my bike. They are light and the coating is very durable it seems. It's only a hardtail though, can't afford a really nice sub 20KG susser, and don't want a stupid DH bike to ride as a general bike as i see some morons do.

I'm in the process of building a new 130mm full sus trail bike and its going to have Fox Factory all over it. I'm decent rider but I'm under do delusion that I need the high-end dampeners let alone whatever small benefit Kashima offers, I just think it looks good.

Also weight is really an over rated aspect. A light bike feels great but it dosn't really make you any faster and it really doesn't make riding any more fun. My first real mountain bike ended being a used 26er XC race bike hardtail, sub 19 Lbs from the early 00s. I rode that bike for like 8 years but whenever I would demo a 6+ Lbs heavier modern full suspension I would pretty regularly crush my PRs on Strava without really intending too.

Yep, audiophiles are the most insane people, because they actually think it’s worth to pay 5-10x more to have slightly better sound. Mostly headphones for about 300-500$ are comparable to way more expensive ones, but of course you can also buy ones for 5000$-10000$ if you want. I don’t think these bikes are bad, they look really sophisticated, but doesn’t mean they are the best either. I think bikes are good for up to 3000$ and after that it gets ridiculous, so it’s not nearly as bad as with audio equipment, where after 500$ it’s just a lot of money to burn for the most minimal gains ever, where a lot of it is also just fantasy and placebo. With cars it’s also more about exclusivity, brand and sheer power, and then most people use them as assets anyway and don’t even drive it, so it’s very different to anything else mentioned.

I would agree that ~$3,000 is about the sweet spot for full suspension mountain bikes. Spending into the $5,000+ range will get you better performance, more durability, and lower weight so just better everywhere but beyond that you really spending a lot of money just to get the best and are probably compromising one of those three things (performance, durability, weight) at least a bit.

I'm into audio too but yeah, its love hate thing... audiophile stuff is pretty crazy and to the extent some people take it, and buy into stuff is near mental disorder. I have no doubt there is something to a R-2R DAC, or that foil inductors have an affect but they are awful values compared to a good delta sigma DAC or air core inductor offers. But if people want to spend %500 more for that extra 2% of performance go for it I guess.

 

[Jetster]

I would break that bike. But it's nice, needs 36. 38, or 40 stanchions, 32 is just to light. Love the 1/11 drive train I wish I had that
Really what I need is a E bike. Specialized but so expensive

 

[eazen]

I'm in the process of building a new 130mm full sus trail bike and its going to have Fox Factory all over it. I'm decent rider but I'm under do delusion that I need the high-end dampeners let alone whatever small benefit Kashima offers, I just think it looks good.

Also weight is really an over rated aspect. A light bike feels great but it dosn't really make you any faster and it really doesn't make riding any more fun. My first real mountain bike ended being a used 26er XC race bike hardtail, sub 19 Lbs from the early 00s. I rode that bike for like 8 years but whenever I would demo a 6+ Lbs heavier modern full suspension I would pretty regularly crush my PRs on Strava without really intending too.


I would agree that ~$3,000 is about the sweet spot for full suspension mountain bikes. Spending into the $5,000+ range will get you better performance, more durability, and lower weight so just better everywhere but beyond that you really spending a lot of money just to get the best and are probably compromising one of those three things (performance, durability, weight) at least a bit.

I'm into audio too but yeah, its love hate thing... audiophile stuff is pretty crazy and to the extent some people take it, and buy into stuff is near mental disorder. I have no doubt there is something to a R-2R DAC, or that foil inductors have an affect but they are awful values compared to a good delta sigma DAC or air core inductor offers. But if people want to spend %500 more for that extra 2% of performance go for it I guess.

Yea I saw good MB with double suspension and it was simply too expensive for me, they started at about 1700€. I opted for a bike under 1000€ with front suspension and switched the seat seating out with one that has inbuilt suspension, cheapo double suspension for about 750€. I was surprised that my other bike back then in 2004 had double suspension for just 800€ and I bought it for 500€ after reduction. I guess the brands are much more expensive and then things like modern brakes etc add to it as well.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Here's my bike

 

[Jetster]

It's a little dirty right now

 

[Deleted member 24505]

whatever small benefit Kashima offers

Kashima is much more slippery so less stiction, and its very durable, so less chance of scratching the stantions.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

This is the bike industry equivalent of those one off Ferrari's and Lamo's that get built by Saudis that literally have more money than they know what to do with. People obviously build bikes like this cause they are retail products but I really wonder to what extent they really get ridden for what they are designed for just like those one of a kind super cars.

I also wonder how those wheels ride, I bet they are stiff AF and have very little compliance. Also those brakes look insanely small, are those 160mm rotors? Also, also, you'd be way faster overall on most trails / courses by taking a few Kg hit and adding a dropper post but then the bike would be back at 10 Kg and nobody would be talking about it. Also, also, also, odd choice going with the stock SRAM crankset (is that the stock cassette too?), I know its carbon but there are lighter options out there.


Its kinda the same thing with every industry that has an extreme enthusiast segment. Just look at some of the 5 figure options you can get on a Porsche or some of the absolutely insane things people buy in the audio industry (by far the worst offender in my opinion).

Yes and no... Lambo do make bicycles too...

So does Bugatti..... Supposedly worth $39k

There are a few other exotic car manufacturers that have recently gotten into making bicycles in the last few years but these are the two that i can remember off the top of my head. Are they worth their asking price? Hell no but if you have the money for a lambo or Bugatti or already own one - $40k for a bicycle is cheap!

--- Also carbon can be very forgiving when it comes to cushioning bumps and while carbon can also be made to be very strong I still question how strong those wheels are if you weigh 70-100kg+ doing wheelies and jumping them over small hills and flights of stairs at your local shopping mall (as you do when in an urban environment) Based on the suspension design i'd stay you'd probably be ok

::EDIT::

Audi even have their own E-bike...

::EDIT 2::

had a quick google and i estimate that this orbea will be about $10k - the same bike with standard wheels is $4-9k depending on configuration. The main component that makes up the price tag is just the wheels. Carbon things can be very expensive to manufacturer - ask any F1 team.

 

[eazen]

Yes and no... Lambo do make bicycles too...

So does Bugatti..... Supposedly worth $39k

There are a few other exotic car manufacturers that have recently gotten into making bicycles in the last few years but these are the two that i can remember off the top of my head. Are they worth their asking price? Hell no but if you have the money for a lambo or Bugatti or already own one - $40k for a bicycle is cheap!

--- Also carbon can be very forgiving when it comes to cushioning bumps and while carbon can also be made to be very strong I still question how strong those wheels are if you weigh 70-100kg+ doing wheelies and jumping them over small hills and flights of stairs at your local shopping mall (as you do when in an urban environment) Based on the suspension design i'd stay you'd probably be ok

::EDIT::

Audi even have their own E-bike...

::EDIT 2::

had a quick google and i estimate that this orbea will be about $10k - the same bike with standard wheels is $4-9k depending on configuration. The main component that makes up the price tag is just the wheels. Carbon things can be very expensive to manufacturer - ask any F1 team.

Great stuff, must be nice to be rich. But actually I’m pretty happy with my bike, I don’t think it matters that much. Same with cars, a nice normal sports car will do as well.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yes and no... Lambo do make bicycles too...

So does Bugatti..... Supposedly worth $39k

There are a few other exotic car manufacturers that have recently gotten into making bicycles in the last few years but these are the two that i can remember off the top of my head. Are they worth their asking price? Hell no but if you have the money for a lambo or Bugatti or already own one - $40k for a bicycle is cheap!

--- Also carbon can be very forgiving when it comes to cushioning bumps and while carbon can also be made to be very strong I still question how strong those wheels are if you weigh 70-100kg+ doing wheelies and jumping them over small hills and flights of stairs at your local shopping mall (as you do when in an urban environment) Based on the suspension design i'd stay you'd probably be ok

::EDIT::

Audi even have their own E-bike...

::EDIT 2::

had a quick google and i estimate that this orbea will be about $10k - the same bike with standard wheels is $4-9k depending on configuration. The main component that makes up the price tag is just the wheels. Carbon things can be very expensive to manufacturer - ask any F1 team.

They did change a fair few things from stock on the Oiz-
But probably just as much weight is shed in the ultralight hand-laid carbon Darimo 93g T1 Loop seatpost with Dyneema rope saddle rail clamp, 62g stem & 108g flat handlebar. Top that with a 70g full-carbon Saevid saddle, some Orbea foam grips to keep the cockpit light, a 224g pair of Exustar pedals, and Alpitude’s silly light Superleggero carbon loop bottle cage, ultra-machined Ukrainian Garbaruk cassette.

Did you look through the list on the link, some of the bits are pretty light, and probably pretty expensive too.

The seat on the Audi is fuck ugly.

 

[eazen]

The seat on the Audi is fuck ugly.

I didn’t even notice it, it’s so small. More impractical than ugly, whole bike looks like a concept.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Great stuff, must be nice to be rich. But actually I’m pretty happy with my bike, I don’t think it matters that much. Same with cars, a nice normal sports car will do as well.

A lot of it is just down to the brand being more of a fashion statement or that you have money more than anything really practical. Thats not to say that they dont offer great experiences when youre in the driving seat of one but for most people its just to show off rather than if the car is really and truly a 'drivers car' - there are cars out there that will give you proper fun drive for a lot lot less than the cost of a lambo or bugatti.

I could be happier with my bike i think... I want 50-60mm deep aero wheels so i can go faster but those things cost a lot. My bike isnt aero either, its an endurance bike so its already about 2-3% slower than a proper racing/sportive bike. (I just want to go fast...)

Carbon wheels like that are super expensive though. £800-2000+. Im too much of a pawper for that and spending that kind of money isnt practical as i dont race.

They did change a fair few things from stock on the Oiz-
But probably just as much weight is shed in the ultralight hand-laid carbon Darimo 93g T1 Loop seatpost with Dyneema rope saddle rail clamp, 62g stem & 108g flat handlebar. Top that with a 70g full-carbon Saevid saddle, some Orbea foam grips to keep the cockpit light, a 224g pair of Exustar pedals, and Alpitude’s silly light Superleggero carbon loop bottle cage, ultra-machined Ukrainian Garbaruk cassette.

Did you look through the list on the link, some of the bits are pretty light, and probably pretty expensive too.

The seat on the Audi is fuck ugly.

Nope, just a guestimate after looking at the Oiz line up. Its pretty obvious that its not going to be a cheap bike.

 

[eazen]

A lot of it is just down to the brand being more of a fashion statement or that you have money more than anything really practical. Thats not to say that they dont offer great experiences when youre in the driving seat of one but for most people its just to show off rather than if the car is really and truly a 'drivers car' - there are cars out there that will give you proper fun drive for a lot lot less than the cost of a lambo or bugatti.

I could be happier with my bike i think... I want 50-60mm deep aero wheels so i can go faster but those things cost a lot. My bike isnt aero either, its an endurance bike so its already about 2-3% slower than a proper racing/sportive bike. (I just want to go fast...)

Carbon wheels like that are super expensive though. £800-2000+. Im too much of a pawper for that and spending that kind of money isnt practical as i dont race.




Nope, just a guestimate after looking at the Oiz line up. Its pretty obvious that its not going to be a cheap bike.

Yea sure, like I said, a cheaper sports car will just do fine. Something like a Porsche Targa is a great drivers car, I actually know more about cars than about bikes. It’s not as overbuilt, heavy and overblown as the 911, it’s basically like a older 911, which many people prefer anyway.