Microsoft Plans Windows 12 for 2024

Mussels · Jul 18, 2022

*Angry Frown*

LabRat 891 · Jul 18, 2022

Looks like Windows 10 Being 'the last Windows' and Windows-as-a-Service were both about as successful (and as hyped) as 'Episodic Gaming'.

timta2 said:
I personally find this hilarious, on so many different levels. They really have no idea what they are doing.

This.
So. Very. Much.

Mussels · Jul 18, 2022

They need one stable OS with minimal changes, just security fixes mostly.
Kinda like NT back in the day - take10 and give it the long term stability and security for business and people who just dont give a damn for 5+ years and let everyone know that's the plan

Then they can keep releasing these gamer OS updates with new features that require new hardware for 11.

They don't goddamn need a new OS for every single change.

chrcoluk · Jul 18, 2022

Microsoft the company that continues to backtrack again and again and again.

Chomiq · Jul 18, 2022

I was talking with one of our devs recently and he praised MS for "one of their best decisions" to ditch the QA team few years ago. I knew he's weird, but he might be crazy.

john_ · Jul 18, 2022

iOS numbers are increasing. Android numbers are increasing. Microsoft wants to show that it's not stationary, but it's in the race.
Their idea of having one final Windows (Windows 10) wasn't making much sense.

PurSpyk!! · Jul 18, 2022

Odd how so many tech sites are posting about this, and it's all speculation. Nothing has been confirmed yet. Although these days Microsoft are so confused, I am not too sure if they can confirm anything. A rudderless ship going no where.

zlobby · Jul 18, 2022

I bet they won't get all settings in one place even in Windows 13!

TheDeeGee · Jul 18, 2022

Nothing new though, Windows 7 (2009), Windows 8 (2012) and Windows 10 (2015).

Same 3 year cycle.

I personally never used Windows 8, i went from 7 directly to 10. Perhaps the same will happen with 11 and i jump from 10 to 12.

zlobby · Jul 18, 2022

john_ said:
iOS numbers are increasing. Android numbers are increasing. Microsoft wants to show that it's not stationary, but it's in the race.
Their idea of having one final Windows (Windows 10) wasn't making much sense.

Actually, their isea was to have just 'Windows', without any numbering whatsoever.

Bomby569 · Jul 18, 2022

W11 should have never existed, i hope they roll back all the absurdity that took from us so many better ways to do thing in W10. Will be remembered like W8 and all the rest

Btw i seriously doubt this short cycle releases BS they are giving us now, they simply gave up on W11 for the failure that it is, and will just change everything that is wrong with it and move on.

AlwaysHope · Jul 18, 2022

They must have a lot of "progressives" at Microsoft these days!

DeathtoGnomes · Jul 18, 2022

Solaris17 said:
Most linux OS's release every year. Ubuntu server OS LTS releases are every 2. Client OS releases are every year with with the equiv "Build updates" in october.

OSX has a new version every year.

The industry has done this for a long time, just like inplace upgrades. It appears the normal modern warfare playing consumer userbase is shook by this, but if anything MS is just catching up to what everyone has already been doing.

Yea but Linucks is can be upgraded over the current version, its just gerenally easier to update than windows.

Mussels said:
*Angry Frown*

Also, making windows compatible across multiple platforms is completely stupid (IMO), so many settings are for phone tablet only.

Mussels · Jul 18, 2022

DeathtoGnomes said:
Yea but Linucks is can be upgraded over the current version, its just gerenally easier to update than windows.

Also, making windows compatible across multiple platforms is completely stupid (IMO), so many settings are for phone tablet only.

What MS needed to do (Still needs to do?) is make microsoft branded tablets running android, with the traditional MS apps - office, excel etc.

Make them a tablet that fits the needs of the average office worker, and they'd dominate the market without any need to make their own portable OS - they forget they also make a bunch of office software at times, i swear.

Chromebooks with MS branding and software would absolutely work, and probably have better market share than the chromebooks do.

Shihab · Jul 18, 2022

Solaris17 said:
Most linux OS's release every year. Ubuntu server OS LTS releases are every 2. Client OS releases are every year with with the equiv "Build updates" in october.

Isn't this a moot comparison?
A typical linux distro release does not automatically translate to changes equivalent to what Windows' version to version do (exception being Win10 model, which probably did come close). A distro itself may see a major release annually, but the desktop environments may take up to 5 years to do so (Just the right number of years to get bored of hating on Gnome 3 and ready up to flame on 40!

).
Although I admit that kernel releases are indeed rapid, and even more than just annually, I believe comparing Windows to linux DE's rather than distros is more relevant to your typical Modern Warfare player.
The comparison becomes even more apples-to-oranges if you factored in "rolling release" distros.

I suppose it would make sense if Microsoft took the same approach, decoupling kernel release from the shell (and other platform "features"), but I personally doubt this will ever happen - besides the probable reason that it would require extreme architectural change - so long as MS's strategy is to push its other services using the OS. One thing they fully share with Apple...

DeathtoGnomes said:
Yea but Linucks is can be upgraded over the current version, its just gerenally easier to update than windows.

Windows had in-place upgrades since at least Vista/7.

Wirko · Jul 18, 2022

AusWolf said:
It doesn't need improving, imo. The problem has always been that Microsoft kept "improving" things that were working fine. Give me back any Start menu from Windows 95 to XP (or maybe 7), and I'm happy. I'd be OK with 10, too, if not for the horrible bloated live tiles. I really hope that Microsoft will one day learn that what works doesn't need changing.

With every new release after XP, UI designers made one step forward and two steps back. Plus an additional step back because customization options keep getting worse.

But I don't want to just go back to XP, I want to also keep all those steps forward. For me, the big steps forward from XP to 7 were jumplists and breadcrumbs. I also like how you can group tiles in 10's start menu. Live tiles? Um, it's easy to kill them if they are too much alive, at least in 10 Pro.

AusWolf said:
An OS has only one job: to make sure your system runs the programs you want. It doesn't need any fancy improvement. It just needs to work as simply as possible.

While I mostly agree, there are applications that are so tightly integrated with the OS that they can't be simply replaced with 3rd party tools. First of all, the file manager (and much of its functionality repeated in open/save dialog boxes). Second, the task manager. Also the calendar (horrible in 10) and calculator (same). And notepad (improved in every Windows release, I'd like to say thank you to the guy who maintains it).

Dammeron · Jul 18, 2022

AusWolf said:
Significant change in the user interface? Does that mean we're getting the Start menu back again?

No, this time they remove the whole "windows" thing and introduce something else - now You can only open one thing at a time and it's fixed in fullscreen mode. "Windows is just a name and logo" from now on.

Now that I think about it - it would actually make it worse than DOS - at least there You had 2 separate file lists.

Wirko · Jul 18, 2022

Next windows won't be called 12 of course. No way. Microsoft never managed to keep consistent naming for more than two successive releases of their client OS. Ah, yes they did, from 1.01 through 3.11.

Chomiq · Jul 18, 2022

Dammeron said:
Now that I think about it - it would actually make it worse than DOS - at least there You had 2 separate file lists.

You only had it when you used something like Norton Commander.

That's why I still prefer using something like Double Commander in W10 instead of file explorer.

Chrispy_ · Jul 18, 2022

I'm pleased that significant changes to the interface are in the works, because - let's face it - Windows 11's interface is a pretty big step backwards.

My only concern is that Microsoft's interface department have quite conclusively proved over the last decade that they have zero clue how to make an interface. Windows 10's interface is the least unintuitive, and that's only because so many people compained about 8 and then release-candidate version of 10 that Microsoft were forced to retreat back to something approximating W7.

If I had to guess, Microsoft's interface department is led by artists and not interested in user feedback or testing it among power users. There must be plenty of power users at Microsoft, so how does such obfuscated, click-tastic crap get past their internal QA and feedback groups?

Don't get me wrong, Windows 11 is fine (it's just Windows 10 with a bad interface, after all) but whoever greenlit the design decisions that made so many of the common, simple one-click tasks into 3-click tasks needs to be fired and replaced by someone who understands how users use a PC.

DeathtoGnomes · Jul 18, 2022

Shihabyooo said:
Windows had in-place upgrades since at least Vista/7.

Not what I meant. You're right still.

MarsM4N · Jul 18, 2022

Wondering what "Security Features" they implement this time & which hardware will get added to the Windows Incompatibility List. :rolleyes:

AusWolf said:
Significant change in the user interface? Does that mean we're getting the Start menu back again?

Well, judging by the wallpaper it seems confirmed that they are going for a SynthWave theme this time. :love:

Bet the start button will also be blue/pink.

"... significantly change the user interface ..." They should give us the options for interface customization. Period.
If you ever dipped your toes into a Linux KDE distro, it's just mindblowing what you can do over there, with onboard tools. Changing window colors, adding/remove window corners, adding window background neon glow, changing the font of the OS, resizing folders/images in the explorer via a slider, install folder theme packs, etc. etc. Microsoft is like North Korea when it comes to customization.

Bomby569 · Jul 18, 2022

Windows team at MS works like this:

-people love our OS, what should we improve on
-hear me out, i have this idea about tiles, people will love it. We can improve stuff later

- so guys we have this dark mode that is only partial, people love it, should we go ahead and make it work everywhere
- sorry but we could just change the menus, everyone seems to like them the way they are, but what if we made them with sub menus, that would be fun

DeathtoGnomes · Jul 18, 2022

Bomby569 said:
Windows team at MS works like this:

-people love our OS, what should we improve on
-hear me out, i have this idea about tiles, people will love it. We can improve stuff later

- so guys we have this dark mode that is only partial, people love it, should we go ahead and make it work everywhere
- sorry but we could just change the menus, everyone seems to like them the way they are, but what if we made them with sub menus, that would be fun

You forgot one important part after the 'Love it'.

people will love it, but we dont care if they dont.

MarsM4N said:
Bet the start button will also be blue/pink.

Its been blue before. :rolleyes:

Athlonite · Jul 18, 2022

cvaldes said:
Hopefully they'll bring back Clippy.

Or Microsoft Bob

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