New Build, Lots Of Questions (Unsure + Worried)

[Chrispy_]

I'd imagine the biggest issue with the CM Elite 371 is that the drive cages combine with the graphics card to partition the case in two.

For CPU and VRM cooling I guess you want/need the side panel intake to be the top fan.

Given that the optical bay covers are mesh, I would remove the plates behind them and put a 140mm fan in there with zip ties or 3D-printed brackets too - that'll give you good front-to-back cooling that will cover the RAM and VRMs you're worried about.

 

[Toothless]

I have an ancient CM Elite 371 USB3 and will reuse it, my airflow is surprisingly good, was able to get fx6300 to 4.25GHz prime95 stable. I will be changing the fans though this time:
*Front 140mm inlet
*Back 140mm outlet
*Side 120mm inlet
* 1x 120mm over ram
*Was planning on putting some really small fans at low rpms over vrm heatsing but with Arctic Duo wont allow it.
Arctic duo is impressive almost as good as deepcool as500plus and I want to buy it but suddenly all over they are out of stock?!



ID 225 is a far better cooler than ak400, did you oc your 12600kf? What type of temps do you get?

No overclocking, as the chip is plenty fast enough.

High 60s with sustained load. The only time it's gotten higher is when the 1080ti was maxed for hours at a time. I wouldn't be.pushing a ton of voltage but then again, this is in a matx case.

 

[8tyone]

No overclocking, as the chip is plenty fast enough.

High 60s with sustained load. The only time it's gotten higher is when the 1080ti was maxed for hours at a time. I wouldn't be.pushing a ton of voltage but then again, this is in a matx case.

Not even 70C, thats awfully efficient of that ID 225 cooler! Did you lower your pl1pl2?

 

[Toothless]

Not even 70C, thats awfully efficient of that ID 225 cooler! Did you lower your pl1pl2?

Stock everything.

Not a lot of airflow but it keeps cool. Again I don't remember specifically which 225 or 224 it is. I have one of each.

The other is on a 6900k. Keeps that sucker cool too.

 

[8tyone]

There's been bad news:
As you know I had made up my mind on the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO, unfortunately there's nowhere I could find it. I did find one but was priced same as an Arctic Freezer 50, I was not even able to think about it for a little while, quickly went "sold out"!
I looked at other cooler Arctic Freezer A35, Deepcool AK400, Deepcool AS500, Thermaltake Toughair 510, Antec Frigusair 400 (these are also within my budget).
Out of the above I am favoured towards AK400 and also to some degree AS500.

AS500:
Product Dimensions 142×102×164 mm
Heatsink Dimensions 140×49×159 mm
My cabinet is CM Elite 371 USB3 and its stated: Maximum Compatibility - CPU Cooler Height is 163mm.
Will the AS500 be compatible with my cabinet?

AK400:
This cooler has been reviewed by all, guaranteed to fit my cabinet, no argb a plus for me, compact, very good ram clearance.
guru3d review: They used i9 12900k. And base performance @ default settings, ~22C (loaded with wprime) temp. was 88.9C. How much more hotter is an i9 12900k is against the i7 12700F which is just a max 180w cpu (Which I will only run at ~120w? Anyone have an idea? Could I just minus 20% from guru3d review temp. 88.9C-20% which equals 71.12C and then add 9C for worst case scenario! Which would still be within limits (80.12C)? Youtube channels like tech for techs and gamers nexus have confirmed that adding a second fan onto ak400 reduces temps. by 2C which is a lot for me bringing down temps. under 80C (80.12C-2C=78.12C)! Which 2nd fan should I use: the original Deepcool FC120p costs half of the ak400 so no, could this be used instead, CM SickleFlow 120?
Thank you, please do reply and I apologize for annoying all of you.

Edit: Is wprime used by guru3d as testing as prime95 small fft? Never used wprime.

 

[Why_Me]

There's been bad news:
As you know I had made up my mind on the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO, unfortunately there's nowhere I could find it. I did find one but was priced same as an Arctic Freezer 50, I was not even able to think about it for a little while, quickly went "sold out"!
I looked at other cooler Arctic Freezer A35, Deepcool AK400, Deepcool AS500, Thermaltake Toughair 510, Antec Frigusair 400 (these are also within my budget).
Out of the above I am favoured towards AK400 and also to some degree AS500.

AS500:
Product Dimensions 142×102×164 mm
Heatsink Dimensions 140×49×159 mm
My cabinet is CM Elite 371 USB3 and its stated: Maximum Compatibility - CPU Cooler Height is 163mm.
Will the AS500 be compatible with my cabinet?

AK400:
This cooler has been reviewed by all, guaranteed to fit my cabinet, no argb a plus for me, compact, very good ram clearance.
guru3d review: They used i9 12900k. And base performance @ default settings, ~22C (loaded with wprime) temp. was 88.9C. How much more hotter is an i9 12900k is against the i7 12700F which is just a max 180w cpu (Which I will only run at ~120w? Anyone have an idea? Could I just minus 20% from guru3d review temp. 88.9C-20% which equals 71.12C and then add 9C for worst case scenario! Which would still be within limits (80.12C)? Youtube channels like tech for techs and gamers nexus have confirmed that adding a second fan onto ak400 reduces temps. by 2C which is a lot for me bringing down temps. under 80C (80.12C-2C=78.12C)! Which 2nd fan should I use: the original Deepcool FC120p costs half of the ak400 so no, could this be used instead, CM SickleFlow 120?
Thank you, please do reply and I apologize for annoying all of you.

Edit: Is wprime used by guru3d as testing as prime95 small fft? Never used wprime.

The AS500 is more suitable for a 12700F. I'd take a look at this cooler.

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b

 

[8tyone]

The AS500 is more suitable for a 12700F. I'd take a look at this cooler.

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b

Scythe doesn't sell here. AS500's problem is incompatibility (maybe?) with my cabinet; its off by 1mm and 1 reviewer particularly said that the height might change differently with different models of motherboards.

 

[Why_Me]

Scythe doesn't sell here. AS500's problem is incompatibility (maybe?) with my cabinet; its off by 1mm and 1 reviewer particularly said that the height might change differently with different models of motherboards.

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[8tyone]

https://www.theitdepot.com/details-Deepcool+AG620+Dual-Tower+120mm+CPU+Cooler+(R-AG620-BKNNMN-G-1)_C10P37791.html

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DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler

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Really out of my budget. Could you look at what I wrote about ak400 from my first post today in this thread, here:
"AK400:
This cooler has been reviewed by all, guaranteed to fit my cabinet, no argb a plus for me, compact, very good ram clearance.
guru3d review: They used i9 12900k. And base performance @ default settings, ~22C (loaded with wprime) temp. was 88.9C. How much more hotter is an i9 12900k is against the i7 12700F which is just a max 180w cpu (Which I will only run at ~120w? Anyone have an idea? Could I just minus 20% from guru3d review temp. 88.9C-20% which equals 71.12C and then add 9C for worst case scenario! Which would still be within limits (80.12C)? Youtube channels like tech for techs and gamers nexus have confirmed that adding a second fan onto ak400 reduces temps. by 2C which is a lot for me bringing down temps. under 80C (80.12C-2C=78.12C)! Which 2nd fan should I use: the original Deepcool FC120p costs half of the ak400 so no, could this be used instead, CM SickleFlow 120?"

The AK400+SickleFlow fan will cost almost the same as an Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO.

 

[A Computer Guy]

1) Motherboard + CPU Combo + Cooler
At first I wanted the the i5 12400F, easily cooled, mostly competitive with 5600x but high cost of motherboard but still better but the price of 5600x price dropped and its little brother 5600 tray version dropped even more so I considered the 5600 + asrock 550 steel legend mobo considered on oc'ing the the 5600 to 5600x+ level and was mostly content with my choice. ...

If your going to be running VM's with the AM4 asrock board then you may consider getting ECC RAM.
Micron 18ASF2G72AZ-2G6D1 ECC DDR4-2666 should work. I have used those in my b450, x470, and b550 asrock motherboards no problems.

I wouldn't bother OC'ing the Ryzen CPU but to each their own.

Noctua’s NH-C14S is a good downdraft cooler that will also help push airflow around the VRM's (and RAM for ITX boards) but if this is a good fit depends on your case.

If you want to go more compact this combo works well (in general - not sure about rpcs3)
- B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ax
- NH-C14S ( fits perfectly with fan on top of heatsink for great airflow )
- MasterBox NR200 Mini-ITX PC Case
- with 3000 or 5000 series Ryzen CPU

 

[ir_cow]

@8tyone I suggest setting your cooler to P1=P2 190w if you are going to use a aircooler with a 12900K. Both 12700K and 12900K can draw over 300 watts when overclocked and 250 watts at stock in rendering like Cinebench R23.

 

[Toothless]

Look at the Fuma 2 if you can. I've got two in my server and even on these 92°F days, I don't see more than 60°C on these 150w chips.

(yes I have pictures, no I'm not gonna spam the thread)

 

[Why_Me]

Look at the Fuma 2 if you can. I've got two in my server and even on these 92°F days, I don't see more than 60°C on these 150w chips.

(yes I have pictures, no I'm not gonna spam the thread)

The AS500 is more suitable for a 12700F. I'd take a look at this cooler.

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b

Scythe doesn't sell here. AS500's problem is incompatibility (maybe?) with my cabinet; its off by 1mm and 1 reviewer particularly said that the height might change differently with different models of motherboards.

 

[8tyone]

@8tyone I suggest setting your cooler to P1=P2 190w if you are going to use a aircooler with a 12900K. Both 12700K and 12900K can draw over 300 watts when overclocked and 250 watts at stock in rendering like Cinebench R23.

No I was talking about the ak400 cooler review by guru3d where they used i9 12900k, a 125w/241w cpu, ambient @ 22C and stressor wprime and got 89C. I asked if my cpu i7 12700f 65w/180w, which will be configured to run at 125w/125w manually be producing about 20% less heat with respect to the i9? I was asking if you had any idea about that...
That way I could go with the ak400 cooler. I also asked about recommending a second fan for the same cooler which would further help with the cooling.

 

[ir_cow]

asked if my cpu i7 12700f 65w/180w, which will be configured to run at 125w/125w manually be producing about 20% less heat with respect to the i9? I was asking if you had any idea about that...

As in, what is the performance % in comparison to a stock CPU?

 

[8tyone]

As in, what is the performance % in comparison to a stock CPU?

No but less heat than the i9. Wouldn't i9 be hotter at default than an 125/125 i7 12700f?

So, wouldn't i7 @ pl1=pl2=125w produce about 20% less heat? Any idea about that?

Also, do you think Deepcool AS500 would fit into my CM Elite 371 cabinet?

 

[ir_cow]

So, wouldn't i7 @ pl1=pl2=125w produce about 20% less heat? Any idea about that?

Since both 12700K and 12900K TDP is higher, they would be the same at 125.

 

[8tyone]

Since both 12700K and 12900K TDP is higher, they would be the same at 125.

Yes you are right and I am sorry (and also embarrassed). What was I thinking? Silly me I was also thinking that pl1 was short term boost but no that's pl2 and even pl2 could be configured to have almost unlimited time boost.
So, if an i9 12900k and an i7 12700f are put on similar test benches, with similar ambient and everything and cooler same, which one will get more hotter? The CPU's are at default factory settings nothing changed.
Please, enlighten me

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Hi!
Sorry if ive misunderstood
i believe its been said
but if your building this build primary for PS3 emulation
dont
the emulator is great and coming along but any game that uses the Cell CPU properly will run quite poorley
if you wanna play ps3 games by a ps3

 

[8tyone]

Hi!
Sorry if ive misunderstood
i believe its been said
but if your building this build primary for PS3 emulation
dont
the emulator is great and coming along but any game that uses the Cell CPU properly will run quite poorley
if you wanna play ps3 games by a ps3

Please do not apologise. PS3 emulation would be just a part of usage for my pc but not not in entirety.

 

[ir_cow]

Hi!
Sorry if ive misunderstood
i believe its been said
but if your building this build primary for PS3 emulation
dont
the emulator is great and coming along but any game that uses the Cell CPU properly will run quite poorley
if you wanna play ps3 games by a ps3

I've had great luck using RPCS3. Most games just run fine. You can do patches like 4K, 120FPS, Anti-Aliasing which gives some of these older titles a new lease. You can play in xbox, PS4 and PS5 controllers. I prefer to rip my games with my PS3 and play it on the EMU.

 

[8tyone]

I've had great luck using RPCS3. Most games just run fine. You can do patches like 4K, 120FPS, Anti-Aliasing which gives some of these older titles a new lease. You can play in xbox, PS4 and PS5 controllers. I prefer to rip my games with my PS3 and play it on the EMU.

Mr. ir_cow about my cooler; would locking pl1=pl2=125w be too much for the ak400(+1extra fan) and 9C added for worst case equatorial climates? Please take ak400 review by guru3d as reference.
Would I lose boost if I lock pl1pl2 to a certain watt, esp. ecore boost.

 

[Why_Me]

Mr. ir_cow about my cooler; would locking pl1=pl2=125w be too much for the ak400(+1extra fan) and 9C added for worst case equatorial climates? Please take ak400 review by guru3d as reference.
Would I lose boost if I lock pl1pl2 to a certain watt, esp. ecore boost.

You should be fine as long as you run that cpu at Intel's specified power limits.

 

[8tyone]

You should be fine as long as you run that cpu at Intel's specified power limits.

If I run my cpu at intel specified power limits than wouldn't it way hotter than say locking it into 125w?

 

[ir_cow]

If I run my cpu at intel specified power limits than wouldn't it way hotter than say locking it into 125w?

Stock 12700K draws around 170-200 watts (full load). just depends on the application. Unless you manual set the power target lower, you will probably surpass 125w is my guess.