Are these temps high for a 5800x? (~55 °C light tasks)

[More Sly]

Hey folks,

I just switched over from an i5-8600k to a Ryzen 7 5800x, so I'm a bit out of my depths regarding what temperatures to expect. I seem to be sitting around the low 40s on idle, usually mid 50s on a light load but not uncommonly ~60 ° with spikes up to ~70 ° sometimes - even with fairly mundane things like opening a new browser tab. As soon as I do something even mildly intensive like a download or installation my temps shoot to 70 - 80 °.

I just want to confirm, does that seem like unusual behavior? My gut says yes, but I'm used to idling at like 35 °C on the old 8th gen chip and not getting a lot more heat from light tasks, so my baseline might just be off. Loud fans much more frequently than I'm used to started my concern after booting the new system up. Should I just expect my PC to be louder with this processor?

Other issues - early on I had browser tabs crashing and as I typed this post out (with an installation in the background) I hit 78 °C and had the bookmark bar and URL bar flashing in my browser. Weird stuff, but not necessarily related.

Hardware:
B550 Aorus Elite V2
Ryzen 7 5800x
Cooler Master Hyper 212x Dual Fan (push/pull)
G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3000 CL16 (2x8)
Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC
Corsair RMx 850 W 80+ Gold
Western Digital Blue SN570
5x system fans - 1x front intake, 1x top exhaust, 1x back exhaust

I'm mostly posting to get an idea of whether this is normal behavior and I'm worried about nothing. For troubleshooting steps I'm about to take, I've ordered some Thermal Grizzly (the thermal compound I used was pretty old no-name silver grease, though it's been fine on the previous system) and some Y-cables to bring my extra front intake and top exhaust back online (went from a 5x sys_fan mobo to 3x). When this stuff comes in tomorrow I'm going to reseat everything and see if it changes behavior.

Logs attached are fairly light load from today. GPU-Z was my first tool to just check things out, log is browsing and a Slack meeting. Switch to Core Temp which is more of the same - two browser browsing, a Slack meeting, and a couple downloads and installations for good measure (second Core Temp file has more installs and the highest temp at 82 °C). Since fan noise was my first indicator on this, I've also included a screen shot of my fan curve since Aorus' might just be really aggressive - but it seems fine to me. Nothing heavy load was done. No benchmarks, no rendering, no games. Not even photoshop or heavy spreadsheets - videos, calls, and browsing only.

Things I've already done: reinstalled Windows 11, flashed BIOS (there was a security patch anyways), adjusted fan curves, unplugged various display cables. (Fairly light troubleshooting for a post, I know, but as I said this is [for now] more of a sanity check since I'm waiting on new thermal compound).

Greatly appreciate any feedback and tips! Waited on this upgrade for a while so I'm a bit anxious about unexpected behavior.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My gut says yes

Trust your gut. 55C is a generally good temp for light work on that CPU. However..

second Core Temp file has more installs and the highest temp at 82 °C

82C under load might be a little worrisome with that cooler, fan setup and profile. If it's not going any higher under max load, then you're likely ok.

 

[maxx2575]

82C under load might be a little worrisome with that cooler

ha, my 3600 gets up to 90C under full load

 

[Chomiq]

Follow @Mussels guide:

5800x (and other Zen 3 chips) PBO settings/Temperature fix

The 5800x is well known for having heat issues on stock settings, because it's single 8 core CCX design shares the same power limits as the 2x6 (dual 6 core CCX) 5900x - so it's got a lot less space to cool itself with. A big part of the problem is that motherboards will raise the maximum TDC...

www.techpowerup.com

Use @GerKNG settings listed in the first post of that thread for PBO:
PPT: 95W
TDC:60A
EDC: 90A

Experiment with Curve Optimizer (good start is -15 on All Core).

If you still see spikes into 80's than its time to consider getting a better cooler.

Also, that case doesn't really help when the only intake are those 2-3cm wide meshed bits on the sides:

 

[lexluthermiester]

ha, my 3600 gets up to 90C under full load

You might wish to consider better cooling. $50 will get you simply amazing cooling these days!

 

[P4-630]

It's summer in Berlin, you may have high ambient temp already.

 

[More Sly]

Trust your gut. 55C is a generally good temp for light work on that CPU. However..

82C under load might be a little worrisome with that cooler, fan setup and profile. If it's not going any higher under max load, then you're likely ok.

Good to know that's generally a good temp! I know these run hot, but that seemed like a little much. I am a bit worried about 82 ° with a load of just installs and videos, so I'll try a reseating with better thermal compound as planned and see what happens.

I did hit 91 ° while running a 3DMark benchmark yesterday. I've heard hitting 90 is pretty normal for these under a high load and Ryzen Master says it's capped at 90. I guess my big worry is whether contact is good if it's getting over that.

Follow @Mussels guide:

5800x (and other Zen 3 chips) PBO settings/Temperature fix

The 5800x is well known for having heat issues on stock settings, because it's single 8 core CCX design shares the same power limits as the 2x6 (dual 6 core CCX) 5900x - so it's got a lot less space to cool itself with. A big part of the problem is that motherboards will raise the maximum TDC...

www.techpowerup.com

Use @GerKNG settings listed in the first post of that thread for PBO:
PPT: 95W
TDC:60A
EDC: 90A

Experiment with Curve Optimizer (good start is -15 on All Core).

If you still see spikes into 80's than its time to consider getting a better cooler.

Thank you for this resource! Seems >~80 spikes are the concern I thought. Might be worth investing in one of those heavy Noctua D-15s if I see one on sale, but I feel like the 212x should give me enough for these fairly light tasks.

Also, that case doesn't really help when the only intake are those 2-3cm wide meshed bits on the sides:

Fair point. I should have added that I did consider this. These logs are with the case closed, but I did have it open yesterday (front and side) to similar results.

It's summer in Berlin, you may have high ambient temp already.

Was a cool morning at about 20 ° outside here, but my ol' stone apartment tends to be cold anyways. I'm cozy in my slippers.

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All told I think this has reassured me that I'm getting about what I should expect and shouldn't worry too much. I'll be sure to swing back with full benchmarks once I have the chip reseated with Thermal Grizzly and all 5 case fans going. If 55 ° under light load is normal for this CPU and the occasional ~80 ° isn't something to worry about, then that's just the reassurance I was hoping for. Guess I saddle up for a louder fan experience.

 

[P4-630]

I seem to be sitting around the low 40s on idle

Ok I don't have an AMD CPU but my 12 core i7 12700K sits 28~32 idle with a 23 room temp.
(air cooled)

You will get better results with a better cooler.

 

[More Sly]

Ok I don't have an AMD CPU but my 12 core i7 12700K sits 28~32 idle with a 23 room temp.
(air cooled)

You will get better results with a better cooler.

Eek. Good to know - I haven't used a 12th gen Intel chip but I understand they're the hottest.

I'll keep an eye out for a D-15, but hopefully this is just a contact issue.

 

[P4-630]

I'll keep an eye out for a D-15

It's a very good cooler, just be sure it fits.

I use a NH-U12A.

 

[More Sly]

just be sure it fits.

Yeah, even the 212x is pretty close to my RAM. Gunna take some measuring. For the price it might be time for an AIO, but from what I've seen their performance isn't really that impressive next to an air tower? At least it might help volume.

 

[eidairaman1]

Trust your gut. 55C is a generally good temp for light work on that CPU. However..

82C under load might be a little worrisome with that cooler, fan setup and profile. If it's not going any higher under max load, then you're likely ok.

By design the hyper 212 is long in the tooth, may consider a 140mm or twin tower cooler.

Using a Thermalright ARO-M14G to keep the 5800 oem in check.

Yeah, even the 212x is pretty close to my RAM. Gunna take some measuring. For the price it might be time for an AIO, but from what I've seen their performance isn't really that impressive next to an air tower? At least it might help volume.

 

[More Sly]

Using a Thermalright ARO-M14G to keep the 5800 oem in check.

Not a bad price on that one! Thanks for the recommendation.

 

[Zach_01]

Hey folks,

I just switched over from an i5-8600k to a Ryzen 7 5800x, so I'm a bit out of my depths regarding what temperatures to expect. I seem to be sitting around the low 40s on idle, usually mid 50s on a light load but not uncommonly ~60 ° with spikes up to ~70 ° sometimes - even with fairly mundane things like opening a new browser tab. As soon as I do something even mildly intensive like a download or installation my temps shoot to 70 - 80 °.

I just want to confirm, does that seem like unusual behavior? My gut says yes, but I'm used to idling at like 35 °C on the old 8th gen chip and not getting a lot more heat from light tasks, so my baseline might just be off. Loud fans much more frequently than I'm used to started my concern after booting the new system up. Should I just expect my PC to be louder with this processor?

Other issues - early on I had browser tabs crashing and as I typed this post out (with an installation in the background) I hit 78 °C and had the bookmark bar and URL bar flashing in my browser. Weird stuff, but not necessarily related.

Hardware:
B550 Aorus Elite V2
Ryzen 7 5800x
Cooler Master Hyper 212x Dual Fan (push/pull)
G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3000 CL16 (2x8)
Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC
Corsair RMx 850 W 80+ Gold
Western Digital Blue SN570
5x system fans - 1x front intake, 1x top exhaust, 1x back exhaust

I'm mostly posting to get an idea of whether this is normal behavior and I'm worried about nothing. For troubleshooting steps I'm about to take, I've ordered some Thermal Grizzly (the thermal compound I used was pretty old no-name silver grease, though it's been fine on the previous system) and some Y-cables to bring my extra front intake and top exhaust back online (went from a 5x sys_fan mobo to 3x). When this stuff comes in tomorrow I'm going to reseat everything and see if it changes behavior.

Logs attached are fairly light load from today. GPU-Z was my first tool to just check things out, log is browsing and a Slack meeting. Switch to Core Temp which is more of the same - two browser browsing, a Slack meeting, and a couple downloads and installations for good measure (second Core Temp file has more installs and the highest temp at 82 °C). Since fan noise was my first indicator on this, I've also included a screen shot of my fan curve since Aorus' might just be really aggressive - but it seems fine to me. Nothing heavy load was done. No benchmarks, no rendering, no games. Not even photoshop or heavy spreadsheets - videos, calls, and browsing only.

Things I've already done: reinstalled Windows 11, flashed BIOS (there was a security patch anyways), adjusted fan curves, unplugged various display cables. (Fairly light troubleshooting for a post, I know, but as I said this is [for now] more of a sanity check since I'm waiting on new thermal compound).

Greatly appreciate any feedback and tips! Waited on this upgrade for a while so I'm a bit anxious about unexpected behavior.

To get it out of the way from start, its pretty much normal what you experience given your PC specs (Hardware, case, cooling etc).
But always room for improvement.

This is a very good place to start:

Follow @Mussels guide:

5800x (and other Zen 3 chips) PBO settings/Temperature fix

The 5800x is well known for having heat issues on stock settings, because it's single 8 core CCX design shares the same power limits as the 2x6 (dual 6 core CCX) 5900x - so it's got a lot less space to cool itself with. A big part of the problem is that motherboards will raise the maximum TDC...

www.techpowerup.com

Use @GerKNG settings listed in the first post of that thread for PBO:
PPT: 95W
TDC:60A
EDC: 90A

Experiment with Curve Optimizer (good start is -15 on All Core).

If you still see spikes into 80's than its time to consider getting a better cooler.

Also, that case doesn't really help when the only intake are those 2-3cm wide meshed bits on the sides:
View attachment 256628

You might also want to use HWiNFO64 (sensors mode only) for checking the operating condition of your PC at any given time.

Check you max/avg core clocks, temps, max/avg Core voltage (SVI2 TFN sensor only), CPU PPT (total CPU power), CPU EDC (total CPU current/A)
Max/avg CPU usage. And there are many more to learn about the most complicated CPUs on the market.



Usually I'm getting spikes to high 70s and I do not consider it too high. Typically what you are getting on temp (spikes) for low-middle loads should be the highest ever. All core load should go to same level if not lower, if PBO limits (PPT/TDC/EDC) and curve optimizer is set properly and not letting it (PBO) loose.
Restraining EDC limit lower than stock is a must IMHO.
Getting a 5800X Im thinking you're interested mostly for single core performance (i.e. gaming) so letting PBO limits out of control is unnecessary and pointless really.

Dont be considered too much about high temp spikes if CPU load and current(A) is low-medium. High temp(80+C) + high current (140~150+A) should be of concern for longevity.

Ok I don't have an AMD CPU but my 12 core i7 12700K sits 28~32 idle with a 23 room temp.
(air cooled)

You will get better results with a better cooler.

As I said always room for improvement with better cooler but dont expect temps to go down or even near to 12gen levels with its 10nm and the huge die area.

Ryzen 3000/5000 is jumpy on boost like its on steroids, especially if high power plan is chosen by windows settings.
Always make sure that in BIOS C-states, CPPC, Cool&Quiet are Enabled

 

[lexluthermiester]

I did hit 91 ° while running a 3DMark benchmark yesterday.

That's not unusual. Benchmarking will always stress a system and produce more heat.

Might be worth investing in one of those heavy Noctua D-15s if I see one on sale, but I feel like the 212x should give me enough for these fairly light tasks.

A CoolerMaster Hyper212EVO is an excellent cooler for the asking price. But for a bit more, a Deepcool AS500 would do very well for you.

AS500 - DeepCool

The DeepCool AS500 single tower CPU cooler boasts a five heat pipe design with a 140mm PWM fan for great performance in a slim profile. - DeepCool was founded with the mission of providing professional, innovative, high-performance PC hardware and high-quality thermal solutions for enthusiasts...

us.deepcool.com

You should be able to get it in the EU for a reasonable price. Recommended this to a few people recently and all but one say they like it(one of them haven't bought it yet).

Thermalright ARO-M14G

Not a bad price on that one! Thanks for the recommendation.

That's a great cooler too, but it's big! Gotta make sure you have enough room for it in your case

 

[Lei]

@More Sly @Zach_01
You must use Ryzen master to monitor the cpu temp, not HWinfo or aurous center. They show higher temps

 

[More Sly]

@Zach_01 That detailed info is exactly what I need jumping into this new processor. Thank you.

You're right on that I'm looking for single-core performance, and I'm glad to hear again that this is normal temps. Seems this is just a new context for me, as I'd hoped. Hopefully I can tame it a little so I don't work next to a jet engine all day. New cooler will help, I'm sure. I'll probably stick with my current cooler until November since there's nothing dangerous going on, by the sounds of it.

A CoolerMaster Hyper212EVO is an excellent cooler for the asking price. But for a bit more, a Deepcool AS500 would do very well for you.

What a thin heat sink! Thanks for the recommendation. Also an excellent price.

@More Sly @Zach_01
You must use Ryzen master to monitor the cpu temp, not HWinfo or aurous center. They show higher temps

I did read a little about the differences there and have had Ryzen Master open to keep an eye on it. I notice the differences between the two from how they read differently. It does further assuage my concern of any danger somewhat, but ultimately the readouts as I describe are similar - just averaging lower.

 

[Zach_01]

If you want to

@More Sly @Zach_01
You must use Ryzen master to monitor the cpu temp, not HWinfo or aurous center. They show higher temps

HWiNFO shows the real temp. Its straight pulled from the CPU. RyzenMaster uses an AMD proprietary (undisclosed) method to display temp and all the other (clocks, voltage) and no one really knows how AMD is calculating this. Just because it shows lower temp does not mean that its the right one.

At this point I strongly advise to who ever uses HWiNFO to set sensors to read CPU readings with "Snapshot CPU Polling" enabled



Without this option enabled the CPU polling is causing it to raise its clocks, voltages and eventually temps (the observer effect)
Thats why almost every other well known software (except RM) reports high values.

In physics, the observer effect is the disturbance of an observed system by the act of observation.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I did read a little about the differences there and have had Ryzen Master open to keep an eye on it.

Ryzen Master can be a bit off-kilter from time to time. Make sure you are double checking it's readings with a second utility to be sure.
A good one is HWMonitor by the same folks who make CPUZ.

 

[Krit]

My R9 5900X usually sits between ~ 55-77 °C while gaming (depends on the specific game)

Cooler is Arctic A35 + Arctic MX-2, Case with 4 Arctic P12 fans.

Idle


Load

 

[HD64G]

Peak temp is usually at least 2-3C higher than the real load temp since the fans need some time to catch up and move the air properly. So, use the Curve Oprimizer test from within the Ryzen Master and temps and power draw will drop and will be more than ok.

 

[Lei]

Not a bad price on that one! Thanks for the recommendation.

For the thermal compound, I used both Grizzly Kryonaut and Thermalright TF7
Grizzly was wet and dried over time, TF7 was more viscous and aged better

 

[P4-630]

For the thermal compound, I used both Grizzly Kryonaut and Thermalright TF7
Grizzly was wet and dried over time, TF7 was more viscous and aged better View attachment 256661

Try the new Thermal Grizzly extreme pink bubblegum, it seems to last better over time.

 

[mclaren85]

Would you check your power plan?

 

[More Sly]

My R9 5900X usually sits between ~ 55-77 °C while gaming (depends on the specific game)

Cooler is Arctic A35 + Arctic MX-2, Case with 4 Arctic P12 fans.

Goals. Are the two CPUs heat performance comparable? I assume so given the responses citing it.

I'll check out your cooler too, thank you!

Would you check your power plan?

Seems I've been (annoyingly) on an auto-set Razer Cortex power plan, but I just formatted anyways. Had I not it would be on High Performance, which is the same setting for processor power management. Should I be setting it lower?