• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

upgrading from 2700X to 5900X on a MSI B450M Mortar

Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
210 (0.38/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name Main
Processor 5700X
Motherboard MSI B450M Mortar
Cooling Corsair H80i v2
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X
Display(s) LG 32GK850G
Case NOX HUMMER ZN
Power Supply Seasonic GX-750
After seeing the reviews (and prices) of the new 7000 series Ryzen, I've started to consider upgrading the CPU on my current setup to "maximize" it's potential and increase it's longevity since prices seem to be going up in the future.
I'm hoping for a good deal at around Black Friday on the 5900X since the 7000s and 13th gen Intel should be widely available by then.

My current setup is:

ProcessorAMD 2700X
MotherboardMSI B450M Mortar
CoolingCorsair H80i v2
MemoryG.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16
Video CardAsus GTX 1060 DUAL OC 6GB
Power SupplySeasonic GX-750

The main uses of this rig is web browsing and gaming. I have a 32" 1440p monitor and don't play a lot of recent/"last gen" games. I know that the 5700X would likely provide better bang for buck, but the 5900X seems to be more "future proof" because of the extra cores, and feels more like a better upgrade than going from an 8 core to another.
I believe I'm just a bios update away from getting 5900X support on my motherboard. But I'm a bit afraid that the old-ish motherboard and RAM will not bring as big of a performance boost as some reviews/comparisons indicate, since they seem to use better setups.
The other question I have, is if I'll be able to run 32GB of RAM at 3200Mhz (4x8GB), I seem to recall that it was not possible on this board, or at least on the 2700X. Is there a MSI expert in the house?

Thanks in advance!
 

tabascosauz

Moderator
Supporter
Staff member
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
7,457 (2.33/day)
Location
Western Canada
System Name ab┃ob
Processor 7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard B650E PG-ITX┃B550-I Strix
Cooling PA120+T30┃AXP120x67
Memory 64GB 6000CL30┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s) RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage 8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Display(s) 43" QN90B / 32" M32Q / 27" S2721DGF
Case Caselabs S3┃Lone Industries L5
Power Supply Corsair HX1000┃HDPlex
After seeing the reviews (and prices) of the new 7000 series Ryzen, I've started to consider upgrading the CPU on my current setup to "maximize" it's potential and increase it's longevity since prices seem to be going up in the future.
I'm hoping for a good deal at around Black Friday on the 5900X since the 7000s and 13th gen Intel should be widely available by then.

My current setup is:

ProcessorAMD 2700X
MotherboardMSI B450M Mortar
CoolingCorsair H80i v2
MemoryG.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16
Video CardAsus GTX 1060 DUAL OC 6GB
Power SupplySeasonic GX-750

The main uses of this rig is web browsing and gaming. I have a 32" 1440p monitor and don't play a lot of recent/"last gen" games. I know that the 5700X would likely provide better bang for buck, but the 5900X seems to be more "future proof" because of the extra cores, and feels more like a better upgrade than going from an 8 core to another.
I believe I'm just a bios update away from getting 5900X support on my motherboard. But I'm a bit afraid that the old-ish motherboard and RAM will not bring as big of a performance boost as some reviews/comparisons indicate, since they seem to use better setups.
The other question I have, is if I'll be able to run 32GB of RAM at 3200Mhz (4x8GB), I seem to recall that it was not possible on this board, or at least on the 2700X. Is there a MSI expert in the house?

Thanks in advance!

1. I don't see why you should be worried about worse performance. That should not be the case unless Windows is overflowing with gunk/half corrupt, or MSI somehow borked the specific BIOS revision you flashed. Do a clean install if you haven't in a while, make sure you get the latest chipset drivers, and be on a reasonably recent BIOS. Do a few simple benchmarks and if performance is roughly in the right place then there's nothing to worry about (e.g. 650/9500 CPU-Z, 1600/21k R23 etc)

2. 5900X being "futureproof" - unless you have productivity workloads that specifically benefit from >8 cores, that's not how futureproofing works. Games still don't make much use of all-core load. If anything, a 5700X has a good chance of being more futureproof due to how CCX works - some games only know how to fill a CCX (ie. COD), so on a 5700X the game will load all 8 cores while on the 5900X it loads only 6. If you want futureproof AM4 for gaming, buy a 5800X3D, no debate there unless you only play niche games that only ever scale with clockspeed and do not benefit from cache.

3. No reason why you can't run 4x8 at 3200. Your 2700X was probably holding you back there. An ordinary 4-layer 4DIMM like the Mortar should easily do 3600+ on a 4 x single rank setup, if your kit is capable. You'd have to have positively ancient 2015 DDR4 to be dual rank in that setup, and even then 3200 should not be an issue.
 
Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
210 (0.38/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name Main
Processor 5700X
Motherboard MSI B450M Mortar
Cooling Corsair H80i v2
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X
Display(s) LG 32GK850G
Case NOX HUMMER ZN
Power Supply Seasonic GX-750
Games still don't make much use of all-core load. If anything, a 5700X has a good chance of being more futureproof due to how CCX works - some games only know how to fill a CCX (ie. COD), so on a 5700X the game will load all 8 cores while on the 5900X it loads only 6.
I did not know this! Will it be on par with a 5600X? I'm going to try to find specific benchmarks, but feel free to share some if you know them please.

If you want futureproof AM4 for gaming, buy a 5800X3D
I never considered this since I believe it to be too expensive. Currently the 5900X is about ~420€ and the 5800X3D is ~499€, and since the 5800X3D is newer, I don't expect it to devaluate as much as the 5900X.

An ordinary 4-layer 4DIMM like the Mortar should easily do 3600+
According to the datasheet/specifications it can only overclock RAM up to 3466Mhz
 

tabascosauz

Moderator
Supporter
Staff member
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
7,457 (2.33/day)
Location
Western Canada
System Name ab┃ob
Processor 7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard B650E PG-ITX┃B550-I Strix
Cooling PA120+T30┃AXP120x67
Memory 64GB 6000CL30┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s) RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage 8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Display(s) 43" QN90B / 32" M32Q / 27" S2721DGF
Case Caselabs S3┃Lone Industries L5
Power Supply Corsair HX1000┃HDPlex
I did not know this! Will it be on par with a 5600X? I'm going to try to find specific benchmarks, but feel free to share some if you know them please.

Because Zen doesn't really scale on frequency, gaming performance is similar across the board for 5600(X)/5700X/5800X/5900X/5950X. Only the 5800X3D is the outlier. There's really no point going higher in the stack just for gaming performance, only for the cores. You can see this in pretty much every Zen 3 review.

The 5700X is a good choice - runs cool, clocks respectably, but you still get the 8 cores. If you were making this decision a year ago, the 5900X was better than 5800X for being thermally tolerable at stock with no tweaking, but the 5700X exists now. Again, unless you really need those cores, the 5900X isn't magically better just for clocking (ostensibly) higher.

You get potentially higher boost but it's really just for benchmark e-peen because of how Zen behaves. 5700X starts at a stock ceiling of 4650MHz I think, with a PBO max ceiling of 4850MHz if you have the core quality to hit that. 5900X is 4950MHz and has a 5150MHz max ceiling...........but exponentially more Zen 3 CPUs will be capable of 4850MHz than those that can go over 5GHz. I've seen 5900Xs max out at 5150, I've seen 5900Xs that struggle to hit 4800, my own is about right on the mark at 4950-5000 and no higher.

According to the datasheet/specifications it can only overclock RAM up to 3466Mhz

That is the QVL. Max speed on QVL means next to nothing in memory overclocking, it only means the fastest kit they've personally validated on that board. Even less so for pre-B550/X570 boards because there's a mix of boards that remained only rated on Ryzen 2000 (where QVL sucks because the memory controller itself has a tough time breaking past 3200-3400) and others that had updated QVLs after Ryzen 3000/5000 release.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2005
Messages
3,059 (0.45/day)
Location
Baltimore MD
Processor Ryzen 5900X
Motherboard ASUS Prime X470 Pro
Cooling Arctic liquid freezer II 240
Memory 2 x 16 Gb Gskill Trident Z 3600 Mhz
Video Card(s) MSI Ventus 3060 Ti OC
Storage Samsung 960 EVO 500 Gb / 860 EVO 1 Tb
Display(s) Dell S2719DGF
Case Lian Li Lancool II Mesh
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster Z
Power Supply Corsair RM850x
Mouse Logitech G703
Keyboard Logitech G513
Software Win 11
If you dont do content creation stuff like video encoding / editing the 5900X has more cores than you need, I agree with other posters the 5700X is the best bang for buck.
The best CPU for gaming your gonna get is the 5800X 3D if thats what you are after and tbh the 120mm H80i is getting quite long in the tooth so to speak so it might be wise to swap that out while your at and not worry about heat concerns.
 
Joined
Nov 15, 2021
Messages
2,699 (3.12/day)
Location
Knoxville, TN, USA
System Name Work Computer | Unfinished Computer
Processor Core i7-6700 | Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard Dell Q170 | Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wi-Fi
Cooling A fan? | Truly Custom Loop
Memory 4x4GB Crucial 2133 C17 | 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3600 C26
Video Card(s) Dell Radeon R7 450 | RTX 2080 Ti FE
Storage Crucial BX500 2TB | TBD
Display(s) 3x LG QHD 32" GSM5B96 | TBD
Case Dell | Heavily Modified Phanteks P400
Power Supply Dell TFX Non-standard | EVGA BQ 650W
Mouse Monster No-Name $7 Gaming Mouse| TBD
The only issue I can think of, even with the 5800X3D, is the PCIe 3.0 limitation. However, if you do not anticipate upgrading to a top tier card in this system within the next couple of generations, I reckon you will be fine.

The 6600XT (x8 interface) loses a maximum of 7% when reduced to PCIe 2.0 - even if RX 8k and RTX 50 use PCIe 5.0, you will be in pretty good shape.
 

freeagent

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Sep 16, 2018
Messages
7,421 (3.67/day)
Location
Winnipeg, Canada
System Name Altered Beast
Processor AMD R9 5900X/5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Cooling Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO, 1x T30
Memory 2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14
Video Card(s) Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC
Storage WD SN850X 2TB, SN850 1TB, SN770 1TB - Asus Hyper M.2, 2x SN770 1TB
Display(s) LG 50UP7100
Case Fractal Torrent Compact RGB
Audio Device(s) JBL 2.1 Deep Bass
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 750w G+, Monster HDP1800
Mouse Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard Logitech G213
VR HMD Oculus 3
Software Yes
Benchmark Scores Yes
5600X is a great little cpu. For gaming I prefer it over my 5900X because it’s so easy to cool, for a nice quiet system. 5900X can be a beast..
 
Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
210 (0.38/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name Main
Processor 5700X
Motherboard MSI B450M Mortar
Cooling Corsair H80i v2
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X
Display(s) LG 32GK850G
Case NOX HUMMER ZN
Power Supply Seasonic GX-750
However, if you do not anticipate upgrading to a top tier card in this system within the next couple of generations
I'm looking for a decent deal on either a RX6700XT or a RX6800

5900X can be a beast.
the 120mm H80i is getting quite long in the tooth so to speak so it might be wise to swap that out
I wasn't worried about the cooling part since both the 2700X and the 5900X are rated at 105W, and from the reviews I've seen the 5900X doesn't use a significant amount of power over the 2700X.

If you dont do content creation stuff like video encoding / editing the 5900X has more cores than you need
I don't, but I've played with VMs in the past. But seeing intel pumping out an increasing the number of cores every year, makes me believe Windows and other software will eventually take advantage from the extra cores.
I come from a time where certain games would straight up not run if you didn't have enough threads on your system (I believe it was a Splinter Cell).

That is the QVL. Max speed on QVL means next to nothing in memory overclocking, it only means the fastest kit they've personally validated on that board. Even less so for pre-B550/X570 boards because there's a mix of boards that remained only rated on Ryzen 2000 (where QVL sucks because the memory controller itself has a tough time breaking past 3200-3400) and others that had updated QVLs after Ryzen 3000/5000 release.
IIRC the memory controller is in the CPU, but it's the board that dictates A-XMP profiles. So upgrading to the 5900X would increase RAM compatibility but I'd have to manually tune the RAM?
 

tabascosauz

Moderator
Supporter
Staff member
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
7,457 (2.33/day)
Location
Western Canada
System Name ab┃ob
Processor 7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard B650E PG-ITX┃B550-I Strix
Cooling PA120+T30┃AXP120x67
Memory 64GB 6000CL30┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s) RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage 8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Display(s) 43" QN90B / 32" M32Q / 27" S2721DGF
Case Caselabs S3┃Lone Industries L5
Power Supply Corsair HX1000┃HDPlex
I wasn't worried about the cooling part since both the 2700X and the 5900X are rated at 105W, and from the reviews I've seen the 5900X doesn't use a significant amount of power over the 2700X.

IIRC the memory controller is in the CPU, but it's the board that dictates A-XMP profiles. So upgrading to the 5900X would increase RAM compatibility but I'd have to manually tune the RAM?

They are very different CPUs on many different levels. At stock 5900X probably will run cooler in all-core, and sometimes hotter in single thread. Thermally they are just very different. Power draw is not a good way to compare heat output across generations of CPUs. 2700X's heat comes mostly from running higher Vcore and pulling more power; a stock 5900X's heat comes mostly from short boosting at a moment's notice (1-2ms).

Board doesn't create XMP, A-XMP is just MSI's gimmicky name for it like Asus' "DOCP"......the problem with the Ryzen 1000 and 2000 memory controllers were that they were just relatively weak. Ryzen 3000's UMC took a big step up (from generally 3200-3600 to a hair over 5000 if you're lucky) and Ryzen 5000 is still the same.

Seen plenty of B450 Mortars over the years doing good dual rank B-die OCs between 3200 and 3800. Dual rank or 4x8 can temper expectations somewhat (maybe 3800-4000 on a newer 4-layer (eg. B550 Mortar), maybe 3600-3800 on an older 4-layer). It's a decent board, it's just that Ryzen 1000 and 2000 UMC hold pretty much any board back, so the product page still reflects that. The Mortar MAX is pretty much just your board with a bigger BIOS chip - it has an updated QVL for new CPUs that's simplistic but still shows you the difference between 3000 and 2000 CPUs:

mortar max qvl.png


The 5900X just means that the UMC is not holding you back anymore. Your RAM is still a mystery as to ICs, before going any further probably figure that out. Fortunately all you have to do is look at the sticker on the sticks, and find out what the last 5 digits are in the string above the barcode that starts with 042.

042 code.jpg
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 12, 2019
Messages
135 (0.08/day)
Location
Poland
Processor R5 5600
Motherboard MSI B450M Mortar Max
Cooling SPC Fortis 3
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3000 2x8
Video Card(s) MSI Gaming Trio RTX 3070
Storage Lexar Pro NM760 1 TB, Corsair MP510 960 GB
Display(s) Dell U2412M
Case be quiet! Pure Base 500
Power Supply EVGA G2 750W
Mouse Logitech G500
Keyboard SPC Gear GK550 Omnis Kailh Brown RGB
It's an EOL platform, I would only get 5600(X) and a better GPU (and probably will, as I'm in a similar situation).
I wouldn't even buy more DDR4 RAM because you'll probably want to replace this platform before you actually need that additional RAM.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.31/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
After seeing the reviews (and prices) of the new 7000 series Ryzen, I've started to consider upgrading the CPU on my current setup to "maximize" it's potential and increase it's longevity since prices seem to be going up in the future.
I'm hoping for a good deal at around Black Friday on the 5900X since the 7000s and 13th gen Intel should be widely available by then.

My current setup is:

ProcessorAMD 2700X
MotherboardMSI B450M Mortar
CoolingCorsair H80i v2
MemoryG.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16
Video CardAsus GTX 1060 DUAL OC 6GB
Power SupplySeasonic GX-750

The main uses of this rig is web browsing and gaming. I have a 32" 1440p monitor and don't play a lot of recent/"last gen" games. I know that the 5700X would likely provide better bang for buck, but the 5900X seems to be more "future proof" because of the extra cores, and feels more like a better upgrade than going from an 8 core to another.
I believe I'm just a bios update away from getting 5900X support on my motherboard. But I'm a bit afraid that the old-ish motherboard and RAM will not bring as big of a performance boost as some reviews/comparisons indicate, since they seem to use better setups.
The other question I have, is if I'll be able to run 32GB of RAM at 3200Mhz (4x8GB), I seem to recall that it was not possible on this board, or at least on the 2700X. Is there a MSI expert in the house?

Thanks in advance!
For your listed use case ONLY the 5800X3D would do it trounces the 5900X I myself just bought( I had reasons besides games).

The board might not do 4x3200 but also the chip might not.

And few game's need 32GB, 16GB in two sticks at 3600 would be faster and Stabler and the infinity fabric speed increase also really helps.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
5700x is the better gaming choice with the single CCX design, the 5900x is better if you have multi threaded workloads or need the extra cache for something

That CPU cooler may be a problem, most AIO's only last 2-3 years before they start losing performance or just outright die - the 5700x for example would easily be cooled on a basic 120mm tower cooler, while the 5900x needs a larger one or another AIO
(I'm not confident an aging AIO designed pre-AM4 would keep a 5900x in the happy temp ranges for max boosting)


Consider going 4x8GB of that RAM if you can, as you tend to get an extra 10% CPU performance in a lot of game titles from four memory ranks on zen 3.
(2x16 is an option sure, I was thinking of the cheapest route letting you keep the existing RAM)

4x 3200 will be easy on B450, but not all will do any higher. I've ran into a few that won't do 3400 or above with quad rank, while x370 and x470 could with the same CPU and RAM.
Simply raising SoC voltage is usually enough for 3200 even with 4x dual rank sticks.
 
Joined
Oct 16, 2018
Messages
954 (0.48/day)
Location
Uttar Pradesh, India
Processor AMD R7 1700X @ 4100Mhz
Motherboard MSI B450M MORTAR MAX (MS-7B89)
Cooling Phanteks PH-TC14PE
Memory Crucial Technology 16GB DR (DDR4-3600) - C9BLM:045M:E BL16G36C16U4W.M16FE1 X2 @ CL14
Video Card(s) XFX RX480 GTR 8GB @ 1408Mhz (AMD Auto OC)
Storage Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) Acer KG271 1080p @ 81Hz
Power Supply SuperFlower Leadex II 750W 80+ Gold
Keyboard Redragon Devarajas RGB
Software Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Professional 64-bit
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/mvvj3a
I upgraded recently from 5600/5600X to 5800X using the same mobo.
I have no major issues. The VRM on the B450M Mortar Max is nothing short of outstanding.
It would handle a 5900X maybe a 5950X OC'd with no problem.

I have noticed a better min fps in games compared to my 5600/5600X at stock.

Maybe look at the 5800X I seen it on sale for 260USD I think its a good deal at that price.
 
Last edited:

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
I upgraded recently from 5600/5600X to 5800X using the same mobo.
I have no major issues. The VRM on the B450M Mortar Max is nothing short of outstanding.
It would handle a 5900X maybe a 5950X OC'd with no problem.

I have noticed a better min fps in games comapred to my 5600/5600X at stock.

Maybe look at the 5800X I seen it on sale for 260USD I think its a good deal at that price.
Some of the older MSI boards have VERY VERY super extremely bad VRMs - they learned their lesson and improved many of them, but wow some were pure trash -

always research the exact variant, as sometimes they'd have very similar sounding names and some brands do shenanigans with V2 versions of boards
 

SL2

Joined
Jan 27, 2006
Messages
1,767 (0.27/day)
I'd say 5700X as well. 16 threads is more than enough for running a VM. If you're running multiple VM's doing some heavy lifting then that's another story.

Don't touch the RAM for now, as I highly doubt you'd see any tangible improvements. Well unless you run out of RAM on a regular basis.

The 2700X uses more power during gaming than the 5700X.

1664359511212.png


...since prices seem to be going up in the future.
While this is true, it's worth mentioning that with the launch of the Ryzen 7000 this week we've seen pretty much only $300+ motherboards, but this is about to change.
Lower priced boards will be released later this year, and DDR5 RAM prices are going down.

When are you planning to upgrade your graphics card?
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 16, 2018
Messages
954 (0.48/day)
Location
Uttar Pradesh, India
Processor AMD R7 1700X @ 4100Mhz
Motherboard MSI B450M MORTAR MAX (MS-7B89)
Cooling Phanteks PH-TC14PE
Memory Crucial Technology 16GB DR (DDR4-3600) - C9BLM:045M:E BL16G36C16U4W.M16FE1 X2 @ CL14
Video Card(s) XFX RX480 GTR 8GB @ 1408Mhz (AMD Auto OC)
Storage Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) Acer KG271 1080p @ 81Hz
Power Supply SuperFlower Leadex II 750W 80+ Gold
Keyboard Redragon Devarajas RGB
Software Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Professional 64-bit
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/mvvj3a
Some of the older MSI boards have VERY VERY super extremely bad VRMs - they learned their lesson and improved many of them, but wow some were pure trash -

always research the exact variant, as sometimes they'd have very similar sounding names and some brands do shenanigans with V2 versions of boards
The OP already has the same board. There are no revisions to B450M Mortar or Max on the Msi website.

I own two of these boards and both have similar performance. No reason whatsoever that the OP board will perform different from mines.

No need for him to worry about thrash VRMS. :p

*Only difference between the B450M Mortar and Mortar Max is that the latter has a larger BIOS chip.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,728 (1.68/day)
It could handle the 5900x or 5950x at stock, but won't boost that high. More importantly it definitely will not handle 5950x OCed as you said a post above. That's just asking for trouble. If the B450M was really that good people won't be flocking to the likes of x570 MAG/MPG boards.

Web capture_28-9-2022_16826_docs.google.com.jpeg

There's an updated list but I'll have to check Tom's I think, the last link was removed from Google for some reason.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 16, 2018
Messages
954 (0.48/day)
Location
Uttar Pradesh, India
Processor AMD R7 1700X @ 4100Mhz
Motherboard MSI B450M MORTAR MAX (MS-7B89)
Cooling Phanteks PH-TC14PE
Memory Crucial Technology 16GB DR (DDR4-3600) - C9BLM:045M:E BL16G36C16U4W.M16FE1 X2 @ CL14
Video Card(s) XFX RX480 GTR 8GB @ 1408Mhz (AMD Auto OC)
Storage Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) Acer KG271 1080p @ 81Hz
Power Supply SuperFlower Leadex II 750W 80+ Gold
Keyboard Redragon Devarajas RGB
Software Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Professional 64-bit
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/mvvj3a
It could handle the 5900x or 5950x at stock, but won't boost that high. More importantly it definitely will not handle 5950x OCed as you said a post above. That's just asking for trouble. If the B450M was really that good people won't be flocking to the likes of x570 MAG/MPG boards.View attachment 263426

There's an updated list but I'll have to check Tom's I think, the last link was removed from Google for some reason.
I just did I quick run with R23 on my 5800X @ 140W load and CPU temp of 88 the VRM barely got warm 54 degrees.


R23 5800x VRM.jpg
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 25, 2020
Messages
4,444 (3.73/day)
Location
São Paulo, Brazil
System Name Project Kairi Mk. IV "Eternal Thunder"
Processor 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition
Motherboard MSI MEG Z690 ACE (MS-7D27) BIOS 1F
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S + NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 w/ Thermalright BCF and NT-H1
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5-6800 F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 6400 MT/s 30-38-38-38-70-2
Video Card(s) ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition
Storage 1x WD Black SN750 500 GB NVMe + 4x WD VelociRaptor HLFS 300 GB HDDs
Display(s) 55-inch LG G3 OLED
Case Cooler Master MasterFrame 700
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio (classic) + Sony MDR-V7 cans
Power Supply EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed K/DA + Logitech G840 XL K/DA
Keyboard Logitech G Pro TKL K/DA
Software Windows 10 Enterprise 22H2
Benchmark Scores "Speed isn't life, it just makes it go faster."
My thoughts as a 5950X owner, buy a 5800X3D if money allows. Otherwise 5700X is a top pick from me considering your use case. Good luck.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2018
Messages
2,092 (1.07/day)
Location
south wales uk
System Name 1.FortySe7en VR rig 2. intel teliscope rig 3.MSI GP72MVR Leopard Pro .
Processor 1.3900x @stock 2. i7 7700k @5. 3. i7 7700hq
Motherboard 1.aorus x570 ultra 2. z270 Maximus IX Hero
Cooling 1.Hard tube loop, cpu and gpu 2. Hard loop cpu and gpu
Memory 1.Gskill neo @3600 32gb 2.hyperxfury 32gb @3000 3. 16gb hyperx @2400
Video Card(s) 1.GIGABYTE RTX 3080 GAMING OC WaterForce WB 2. Aorus RTX2080 3. 1060 3gb. Arc 770LE 16 gb
Storage 1 M.2 500gb , 2 3tb HDs 2. 256gb ssd, 3tbHD 3. 256 m.2. 1tb ssd
Display(s) 1.LG 50" UHD , oculus rift S.2 MSI Optix MAG342C UWHD. SONY bravia 1080p, . 3.17" 120 hz display
Case 1. Thermaltake P5 2. Thermaltake P3
Audio Device(s) 1 Onboard 2 Onboard 3 Onboard
Power Supply 1.seasonic gx 850w 2. seasonic gx 750w
Mouse 1 ROG Gladius 2 Corsair m65 pro
Keyboard 1. ROG Strix Flare 2. Corsair F75 RBG 3. steelseries RBG
VR HMD rift and rift S and Quest 2.
Software 1. win10 pro 2. win10 pro 3, win10 home
Benchmark Scores 1.7821 cb20 ,cb15 3442 1c 204 cpu-z 1c 539 12c 8847 2. 1106 cb 3.cb 970
i went from a 2700x to a 3900x about 18 months ago and the difference in image processing is staggering i mean its morethan 2x faster but for gaming the diff isnt much maybe 5 to 10 fps. i agree with what othiers have said a 5600x or 5800x would prob be better if you didnt need the extra cores.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,163 (4.07/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Just stating the obvious here, but if your main stuff is web surfing and gaming, you probably won't see much better performance after the upgrade. Web surfing is probably plenty fast already and gaming... it depends, you may see some gains if you're into FHD high-FPS. Otherwise, it will probably be the same.
So upgrade to get a better CPU for years to come, but don't expect magic because of the upgrade alone.
 
Joined
Sep 3, 2019
Messages
2,965 (1.78/day)
Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (366W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.2.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
After seeing the reviews (and prices) of the new 7000 series Ryzen, I've started to consider upgrading the CPU on my current setup to "maximize" it's potential and increase it's longevity since prices seem to be going up in the future.
I'm hoping for a good deal at around Black Friday on the 5900X since the 7000s and 13th gen Intel should be widely available by then.

My current setup is:

ProcessorAMD 2700X
MotherboardMSI B450M Mortar
CoolingCorsair H80i v2
MemoryG.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16
Video CardAsus GTX 1060 DUAL OC 6GB
Power SupplySeasonic GX-750

The main uses of this rig is web browsing and gaming. I have a 32" 1440p monitor and don't play a lot of recent/"last gen" games. I know that the 5700X would likely provide better bang for buck, but the 5900X seems to be more "future proof" because of the extra cores, and feels more like a better upgrade than going from an 8 core to another.
I believe I'm just a bios update away from getting 5900X support on my motherboard. But I'm a bit afraid that the old-ish motherboard and RAM will not bring as big of a performance boost as some reviews/comparisons indicate, since they seem to use better setups.
The other question I have, is if I'll be able to run 32GB of RAM at 3200Mhz (4x8GB), I seem to recall that it was not possible on this board, or at least on the 2700X. Is there a MSI expert in the house?

Thanks in advance!

I gone from R5 3600 to R9 5900X and I'm thinking now to keep the system past AM5, with 1 at least GPU upgrades in future. Most likely RDNA3 in the middle of 2023.

I had the CPU cooling though (H110i 280mm) that I got 63months ago (5+y). H80i will struggle to keep 5900X's temp tame under elevated loads.
The 5700X will be much easier to cool with your cooler. Unless you want to upgrade cooling too go for 5700X.
Gaming may be less demanding on cooling but still the 5900X can draw over 100W (PPT) of power on some games. 5700X may draw around half (maybe 60%) of what 5900X will for gaming.
The 5700X will be fine even with 2x8GB 3200MHz RAM.

You can always upgrade your GPU further down the road and this will upgrade your gaming experience more than any CPU or 32GB RAM will.
A RX6600XT/RTX3060 can easily double your FPS with an 2700X/5700X on the same game settings/res.
I know what a 2700X can do for gaming because my previous R5 3600 was around the same for gaming. Its not bad at all and could easily handle my RX5700XT which is about the same of the RX6600XT/RTX3060.

The reason I got 5900X and not a 5700X/5800X is because I tend to run a lot of stuff all together and some VMs from time to time.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 10, 2021
Messages
66 (0.07/day)
Location
EU-West
System Name Main
Processor Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard AsRock B650M Pro RS
Cooling Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill FlareX 6000MT/s CL30
Video Card(s) Asus RX 6600 XT Dual OC
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 500GB + Crucial MX500 2TB
Display(s) AOC C24G1 + Lenovo L24-i10
Case Deepcool CH370 White + 5x Arctic P12 + 2x Arctic P14
Audio Device(s) Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm + Fifine T669 Condenser Mic
Power Supply SeaSonic Focus GX-850 + sleeved extensions
Mouse Logitech G Pro Superlight
Keyboard Logitech G Pro KDA w/ GX Brown
Software W10 64bit Home | Linux Mint Cinnamon
interested to hear about the performance gains you'll get from your upgrade since I'm in a very similar position. 2700X on a pretty average B450 board. do let us know how it goes.
 

SL2

Joined
Jan 27, 2006
Messages
1,767 (0.27/day)
Just stating the obvious here, but if your main stuff is web surfing and gaming, you probably won't see much better performance after the upgrade. Web surfing is probably plenty fast already and gaming... it depends, you may see some gains if you're into FHD high-FPS. Otherwise, it will probably be the same.
So upgrade to get a better CPU for years to come, but don't expect magic because of the upgrade alone.
My thought as well, that's why I asked about GPU upgrade. Upgrading now while hoping for some benefits a couple of years later when getting a newer GPU doesn't sound like a great investment.

interested to hear about the performance gains you'll get from your upgrade since I'm in a very similar position. 2700X on a pretty average B450 board. do let us know how it goes.
I gone from R5 3600 to R9 5900X and I'm thinking now to keep the system past AM5, with 1 at least GPU upgrades in future. Most likely RDNA3 in the middle of 2023.
You both have a card that's ~twice as fast than the OP, and less likely to be GPU limited.
 
Top