Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

that looks really bad... too much of a gap. yikes. not sure i would use that.

It's a perfect example of how one cooler can be great for one CPU design, and terrible for another
You can see how a pipe right over the entire die on an intel would be great, while possibly missing the CPU cores on a Zen CPU entirely

(From the thread in my sig, hence the text in the middle)
That's a 12/16 core CPU, the 6/8's with one less CCX would have heatpipes that dont even touch any heat generating parts of the CPU

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[Steve-007UK]

As some of you might know i got myself many new upgrades, and today i have been doing a bit of testing with cinebench r23.

This first run is with everything at stock settings.
And the second run is with PBO turned on but with no tweaking.

 

[Space Lynx]

As some of you might know i got myself many new upgrades, and today i have been doing a bit of testing with cinebench r23.

This first run is with everything at stock settings.
And the second run is with PBO turned on but with no tweaking.

Nice gains!

 

[freeagent]

Been thinking about upgrading to 5800X3D. Then I could put my current 3600 to use as a 2nd rig (X58 can retire).

Honestly, any Zen 3 part is pretty good. For daily stuff they all feel the same, fast as feck

 

[Keullo-e]

Honestly, any Zen 3 pet is pretty good. For daily stuff they all fell the same, fast as feck

I just want something to hold on for a while until I upgrade to DDR5 setup

 

[Mussels]

I just want something to hold on for a while until I upgrade to DDR5 setup

If that's many years away, then yes it's the right choice

Unless you have a 4090 chasing the high FPS value over anything else, theres nothing faster yet

As some of you might know i got myself many new upgrades, and today i have been doing a bit of testing with cinebench r23.

This first run is with everything at stock settings.
And the second run is with PBO turned on but with no tweaking.

The temps on that first run be glorious


I'd work on undervolting with stock limits and the curve, get the performance of the second result without the heat

 

[Nordic]

New high score! Horribly inefficient at 170w though.

 

[SL2]

Horribly inefficient at 170w though.

It went from first to fourth place, I wouldn't call that horrible..

 

[Nordic]

It went from first to fourth place, I wouldn't call that horrible..

Going by my own results, it is the least efficient so far.

I suspect I am measuring power usage differently than W1zzard for us to have such different values. I am using the CPU Power as shown on HWINFO which is probably less accurate for power usage, but sufficient for my purposes as long as I am consistent. These settings are ~35% less efficient than stock.

 

[Mussels]

Going by my own results, it is the least efficient so far.

I suspect I am measuring power usage differently than W1zzard for us to have such different values. I am using the CPU Power as shown on HWINFO which is probably less accurate for power usage, but sufficient for my purposes as long as I am consistent. These settings are ~35% less efficient than stock.

physical measurement of the 12 pin connector, for w1zz

Personally i prefer the software readings for comparison but after some boards outright lied, fair enough


To my knowledge CPU's dont get any power from the 24 pin these days, do they?

 

[Keullo-e]

If that's many years away, then yes it's the right choice

Unless you have a 4090 chasing the high FPS value over anything else, theres nothing faster yet

Still kickin' with 1080 Ti, I may look for an used 2080 Ti next year..

To my knowledge CPU's dont get any power from the 24 pin these days, do they?

I guess not, hasn't that been the thing since P4 days?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

New high score! Horribly inefficient at 170w though.

170W would be more like FX! But it would kill an OC'ed Q6600 @220W any day, TMK!

 

[L'Eliminateur]

My motherboard is finally ordered so i'll be setting it up next week (7700X with tower air cooling) and whilst i've been reading and catching up on reviews and stuff, it's been a LONG LONG time since i've dabbled in overclocking and the like, specially never with these newer CPUs with the dozens of knobs they expose (my last OC is "enable all core turbo", rise the max multiplier and a static vcore, that's it).
I plan to run a LOT of benchmarks that review sites are frustratingly not covering, this is my planned workflow in no particular order and questions, please tell me if i'm missing something (i left out basic stuff like bios/windows/driver updates and whatnot):

• Win 10/22H2
• zentimings, because i see that ryzen timing calculator hasn't been updated in more than a year
  • ¿how do i decide "which sub/timings" are better for my ram if all i have to start are the SPD info?
• hwmonitor/hwinfo: ¿is there any other "better" option(aida portable in trial)?
• Benchmate (i think it integrates hwinfo and all the ones below)
• cinebench/3dmark/7zip/winrar/crystaldiskmark to get some synthetic baselines and maybe a couple games.
• About curve optimizer: ¿It seems you run curve optimizer(every video i've seen they use all-core in RM, ¿why not run it in per-core? and then enter those settings in the BIOS manually?, planning to set it up with negative offset with per-core offsets.
• Core cycler for testing PBO curve optimizer undervolts
  • Will overclock past max limits at a later date, something like +100~150Mhz is my target, i doubt i'll make 200 with air

Benchmarks planned:

• Virtualization disabled
• Mitigations disabled, Phoronix did testing that shows zen4 is slower with Spectre V2 mitigations disabled under linux, i wonder if it's the same in windows and if i can only enable those specific mitigations.

 

[Steve-007UK]

@Mussels Thank you for the advice and i downloaded Ryzen master and this is much better and room for more tweaking i think

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Some bits and parts put together I have over the past several days.
Don't judge me, I've ran another benchmark as first and this ain't it.
Had issues finding command rate setting if even present, tough the mb should of got it from xp SPD, mb did not , so I've updated bios but not searched for it in this one, yet.

CorePerformanceBost off, cpu cooler from the mid-late 2000's, Tj max 80^C, DDR5 4000MT-jedec timings(Yes!, the motherboard got 2T command rate right).

 

[Mussels]

@Mussels Thank you for the advice and i downloaded Ryzen master and this is much better and room for more tweaking i think
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4650 on each core (At seperate times? If thats under all core load thats awesome) with 100W max and <65C is lookin pretty good

 

[Steve-007UK]

4650 on each core (At seperate times? If thats under all core load thats awesome) with 100W max and <65C is lookin pretty good

Yeah that was an all core boost run.
PBO in ryzen master after doing the curve optimizer thing.

 

[Nordic]

If you are sporting the latest AGESA 1207 it really limits how much power the CPU gets, it should run cooler for you. But! That heatsink is pretty outgunned right now.. so there is that too.

Is it worth going to the previous AGESA?

 

[freeagent]

Is it worth going to the previous AGESA?

For my 5600X and 5900X I like 1203

 

[Nordic]

For my 5600X and 5900X I like 1203

Is that the previous Agesa? Its for that little bit more power to the cpu, right?

 

[tabascosauz]

Is that the previous Agesa? Its for that little bit more power to the cpu, right?

You have to test for your own CPU and board to see if it's the case, but 1203 is usually optimal for regular Ryzen 5000 CPUs on Windows 10.

The only real reasons I can think of for running 1206 or 1207:

• You want to use Windows 11 with fTPM on
• You want to use Windows 11 and are still experiencing the L3 cache bug with 1203
• You have a 5800X3D
• You want to try different BIOSes in hopes of fixing USB issues
• You want some other specific feature that's only present in newer BIOSes

 

[AlienIsGOD]

upgraded my 2700 to an R5 5600

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Not the best heatsink for these CPU's at all

Physically its big enough, but the wonky baseplate makes it possible to have shitty contact directly where you need it the most
(Not to scale or anything, but a mockup to show what i mean, with the IO die and CPU die potentially being in-between the copper heatpipes where the larger air gap is)
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You may be fine, you may need to rotate the heatsink or adjust it any way you can - but definitely undervolting or limiting PPT will help massively

My answer to that:
Cooler Master MasterAir MA612 Stealth ARGB CPU Air Cooler, 6 Heat Pipes, Nickel Plated Base, Aluminum Black Fins, Push-Pull, Dual SickleFlow Fans for AMD Ryzen/Intel 1200/1151 LGA 1700 Compatible - Newegg.com

I would hope that it comes this upcoming Tuesday.

 

[freeagent]

110 bucks for a cooler master cooler??

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

110 bucks for a cooler master cooler??

$74.99 USD.

$74.99 USD.

Seems like almost anything is better than the Hyper 212, when you look at the bottom and the heatpipe configuration.