ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[LFaWolf]

Compared to 3070ti in 1440p, it is 31% faster, and costs ($800-$600)/$600=33% more. Note I am using the founders edition MSRP.

 

[Mistral]

Very good efficiency. Hopefully this lowers the price of the 7900XT and 4800 a bit too.

 

[bug]

Wow, there are a LOT of people that are big mad about this card apparently. a GPU that meets the performance of a xx9x tier card for $800 isntead of $1600/2000 seems a pretty good deal on its face.

And at about half the power draw.

 

[Dracius]

And as expected, "editor's choice"

I swear, one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090 and it'd still get an editor's choice. I mean just look at the Asus Strix 4080 review here that got that when it almost costs the same as a FE and AIB base 4090!

Have some damn integrity and call out this current dumpster fire of a gpu market instead of worrying about ruffling some Nvidia and AMD feathers. How come Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, and numerous other sites can call it like it is but here it's always the lame "editor's choice" conclusion? It's bad when even one of the mods here indirectly implies the conclusion is wonky.

Also, why is the 4090 listed at $2400? Pretty much every day there are restocks at the major online sites for the regular prices of the cards. By listing it at $2100, it gives any unsuspecting viewer the impression that somehow they can't ever find one at MSRP and it is horrible value compared to the rest of this gen when in reality it is probably the best "value" of all these overpriced cards. It feels like this is done simply to try and make all these other cards seem like they aren't as overpriced as they actually are.

TPU has great gpu reviews when it comes to the stats/data but the conclusions and "editor's choice" stuff really sucks as it reeks of shilling and I am positive most viewers feel the same as me and The Quim Reaper even if they won't admit it for fear of ruffling some TPU feathers.

Why is having some integrity such a rare thing these days?

100% agreed.

Every 4070ti review released today has an editors choice award. (Besides the gigabyte model, which has a "highly recommended")

Love your pictures and FPS graphing content, but eish... The above is super obvious.

 

[yeeeeman]

decent card priced badly. i also do not understand how these cards eat 300W at 295mm^2 GPU. This means that either the GPU is pushed too high frequency wise or the memory is getting inefficient. Or both. I could bet that this is a 100W GPU at 1500mhz.
I guess, given the rising silicon prices, companies nowadays try to maximize what a small GPU can do, hence run it outside of its efficiency zone, to hit the performance target of an otherwise bigger GPU that runs at slower but more efficient frequencies. This GPU looks like an RTX 4060 class GPU that is OC-ed to hit 4070-4080 class performance with the added downside of higher power consumption.

 

[bug]

And as expected, "editor's choice"

I swear, one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090 and it'd still get an editor's choice. I mean just look at the Asus Strix 4080 review here that got that when it almost costs the same as a FE and AIB base 4090!

Have some damn integrity and call out this current dumpster fire of a gpu market instead of worrying about ruffling some Nvidia and AMD feathers. How come Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, and numerous other sites can call it like it is but here it's always the lame "editor's choice" conclusion? It's bad when even one of the mods here indirectly implies the conclusion is wonky.

Also, why is the 4090 listed at $2400? Pretty much every day there are restocks at the major online sites for the regular prices of the cards. By listing it at $2100, it gives any unsuspecting viewer the impression that somehow they can't ever find one at MSRP and it is horrible value compared to the rest of this gen when in reality it is probably the best "value" of all these overpriced cards. It feels like this is done simply to try and make all these other cards seem like they aren't as overpriced as they actually are.

TPU has great gpu reviews when it comes to the stats/data but the conclusions and "editor's choice" stuff really sucks as it reeks of shilling and I am positive most viewers feel the same as me and The Quim Reaper even if they won't admit it for fear of ruffling some TPU feathers.

Why is having some integrity such a rare thing these days?

We've had this discussion before. Basically, as long as a product works as advertised (and doesn't short or otherwise blow-up), it will get an award. I've stopped paying attention to those badges years ago.

 

[Crackong]

3x performance vs 3090Ti

Clearly 3 = 1

 

[ARF]

one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090

The thing is that 4090 costs $2.1-2.2-2.3K but given the much worsened economic condition of the large majority of users and lower purchase power, then 4090 already costs $5K normalised to those !

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

And at about half the power draw.

TSMC 4nm is godly efficient compared to samsung 8nm. Mobile RTX 4000 cards are going to be ballin'.

decent card priced badly. i also do not understand how these cards eat 300W at 295mm^2 GPU. This means that either the GPU is pushed too high frequency wise or the memory is getting inefficient. Or both. I could bet that this is a 100W GPU at 1500mhz.
I guess, given the rising silicon prices, companies nowadays try to maximize what a small GPU can do, hence run it outside of its efficiency zone, to hit the performance target of an otherwise bigger GPU that runs at slower but more efficient frequencies. This GPU looks like an RTX 4060 class GPU that is OC-ed to hit 4070-4080 class performance with the added downside of higher power consumption.

Simple, old nodes were clock limited while newer nodes are thermally limited. Those old GPUs didnt clock out of their efficiency range because it was hard to make them do so in a stable, sellable manner.

Same reason older GPU generations topped out at ~150 watt, then ~200 watt. Not because we liked low power ore, but because that was the limit of what could be made on those nodes and still be profitable.

 

[ARF]

Wow, there are a LOT of people that are big mad about this card apparently. a GPU that meets the performance of a xx9x tier card for $800 isntead of $1600/2000 seems a pretty good deal on its face.

That's not how it works. If you change the figures for $500 and $1000, it would be perfectly understandable. Otherwise, you simply justify the company greed.

How Nvidia tricked everyone into buying a $1,600 GPU | Digital Trends

 

[the54thvoid]

What the PC Gaming market needs are more affordable graphics cards, and the 4070 Ti seems to be priced a notch too high, making people delay their upgrade. The market screams for reasonable performing sub-500 USD products

What Guru3D says. Loves the card but isn't shying away from the dire price position.

 

[bug]

That's not how it works. If you change the figures for $500 and $1000, it would be perfectly understandable. Otherwise, you simply justify the company greed.

How Nvidia tricked everyone into buying a $1,600 GPU | Digital Trends

That's exactly how it works: the performance you could buy last year for $1,600, you can buy now for half.

 

[Pumper]

Almost like the world's money supply increased by 50% in 18 months recently.........

Did not get a penny out of that, so I'll keep complaining. Thanks.

 

[ThrashZone]

Vendors only sampled OC versions afaik. non-OC cards should exist. I'll be buying one so I have baseline performance for future reviews

Hi,
Yeah you can compare the coil whine

 

[uber_m0j0]

And as expected, "editor's choice"

I swear, one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090 and it'd still get an editor's choice. I mean just look at the Asus Strix 4080 review here that got that when it almost costs the same as a FE and AIB base 4090!

Have some damn integrity and call out this current dumpster fire of a gpu market instead of worrying about ruffling some Nvidia and AMD feathers. How come Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, and numerous other sites can call it like it is but here it's always the lame "editor's choice" conclusion? It's bad when even one of the mods here indirectly implies the conclusion is wonky.

Also, why is the 4090 listed at $2400? Pretty much every day there are restocks at the major online sites for the regular prices of the cards. By listing it at $2100, it gives any unsuspecting viewer the impression that somehow they can't ever find one at MSRP and it is horrible value compared to the rest of this gen when in reality it is probably the best "value" of all these overpriced cards. It feels like this is done simply to try and make all these other cards seem like they aren't as overpriced as they actually are.

TPU has great gpu reviews when it comes to the stats/data but the conclusions and "editor's choice" stuff really sucks as it reeks of shilling and I am positive most viewers feel the same as me and The Quim Reaper even if they won't admit it for fear of ruffling some TPU feathers.

Why is having some integrity such a rare thing these days?

The 80 and 90 are both great cards, seriously. Money aside, they perform fantastic. I'm currently saving for a 4090, yeah I agree the price sucks. But I like that killer performance and I honestly enjoy the eye candy RT brings. I don't understand why everyone hates on the 40 series, aside from price. That's it right? The price? If these cards were all $300-400 less, would people still be angry and trying to burn down the internet over it?

All the youtube folk seem to forget their first reviews of the products. How much generational uplift, the power efficiency. They just jumped on the whiny price bandwagon after that started to trend.

Three card launches now that outperform the 3090/3090ti. It's an expensive product! Yes, we all get it. But to ignore all the actual tech upgrades because of an emotional response to price, is silly.

 

[Lovec1990]

so 4070 Ti better RT performance and lower power usage than 7900XT but if you do not care about power usage and RT 7900XT is better

 

[Parn]

x70/x70 Ti class used to be a $500 card. With the same amount increase in performance per generation compared to 30/20/10 series, how could nvidia justify the massive $300 uplift in price? Even with increasing cost in production (or pretty much everything atm), the new price still doesn't make sense.

 

[vmarv]

Techgage did a review of the 4070 TI, testing the card in rendering and video/image editing. It's ahead of the 3090 most of the time and very close to the 4080 and 4090.
NVIDIA intentionally gimped it with the 192bit bus, otherwise this thing would fly, increasing the distance from the 3090.
Too bad I'd need to sell a kidney to buy one.

 

[AnotherReader]

Three card launches now that outperform the 3090/3090ti. It's an expensive product! Yes, we all get it. But to ignore all the actual tech upgrades because of an emotional response to price, is silly.

Nobody is denying that Ada is great, but you can't dismiss critiques of it by claiming that harping on about price is emotional. Would you say the same if the prices were doubled?

 

[Taisho]

The improvements in test methodology over the last months are simply amazing. Noise AND power draw matching for the temperature measurements made my day.

 

[Luminescent]

Maybe this outrageous pricing and obvious bad reviews that they knew it would come is INTENIONAL.
What if this was planed all along to get rid of old stock, old Nvidia cards never looked so good, the peasants have no choice but to buy older Nvidia cards if they want a good deal.
Good job Nvidia, they are even more devious than Intel, they fu...k you and you don't even know it.

 

[the54thvoid]

The 80 and 90 are both great cards, seriously. Money aside, they perform fantastic. I'm currently saving for a 4090, yeah I agree the price sucks. But I like that killer performance and I honestly enjoy the eye candy RT brings. I don't understand why everyone hates on the 40 series, aside from price. That's it right? The price? If these cards were all $300-400 less, would people still be angry and trying to burn down the internet over it?

All the youtube folk seem to forget their first reviews of the products. How much generational uplift, the power efficiency. They just jumped on the whiny price bandwagon after that started to trend.

Three card launches now that outperform the 3090/3090ti. It's an expensive product! Yes, we all get it. But to ignore all the actual tech upgrades because of an emotional response to price, is silly.

It also outperforms the RTX3080. By about 22%.

Why is nobody using the RTX3080 as a comparison (especially when this was initially being released as a 4080 12GB)? I'll tell you why, because at current pricing it is 30% more expensive for only 22% more performance (less at 4k).

It's incredible that Nvidia are being given a 'get out of jail free card' by some people for what they were going to pull (and initially at $100 more just on product name alone) until they realised they were pushing the profit margins so hard that their bluff was being called. They backed down and effectively sent stickers to the AIB's to make new boxes for the rebadge.

I think the card is fantastic - it consumes less power than my 2080ti and is far superior and quieter. But it's not good value for what it is (and this is not an emotional discussion). Performance is meaningless without price context; arguments to the contrary are delusional. This is Nvidia's 70-class card. It's at a higher price than every single x080 (non ti card). That's not right and Nvidia knows it.

Again, AMD's 7900XT is also crazy priced. There's no defence for that card either.

 

[crimina|]

The memory bus sure limits this card at 4k.

 

[dick_cheney]

Nobody is denying that Ada is great, but you can't dismiss critiques of it by claiming that harping on about price is emotional. Would you say the same if the costs were doubled?

Right, imagine if since the TNT days prices increased 40%+ every generation. Die prices, R&D, and inflation are nowhere near these price increases. Anyone who claims these price increases are anything but Nvidia's greed due to them wanting to normalize crypto mining pricing is lying.

people not voting with their wallets isn't helping either.

 

[Fasola]

A card so good it deserves at least 3x the number of Editor's Choice badges, just like Nvidia's numbers.