ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[AnotherReader]

On older (now crud, after being sold & staff turnover) tech site (TR I think?) always included a price v performance scatterplot of all recently tested models.

It was TechReport.

 

[bug]

On older (now crud, after being sold & staff turnover) tech site (TR I think?) always included a price v performance scatterplot of all recently tested models. I find that a **lot** clearer than hopping back and forth btwn perf charts and the front page unordered listing. It would really be nice if the value discussion had that simple plot (4k, presumably, in this day and age). This site has really good testing, but less great data presentation, imho. The performance/dollar is particularly useless for buying decisions, as adjacent parts could be in wildly different performance leagues; it's an ok intellectual exercise, but u can't use it to buy w/o jumping back and forth btwn pages; u might easily pick some heavily discounted item that isn't up to snuff. I mention it in part because after all the new models (and price changes) I'm really unclear on the overall landscape and what to pick. Just the opinion of some rando online...

And I'm sure that worked wonders, back when prices were kind of stable...

 

[Avro Arrow]

That's wrong, the names of gpus indicate the tier, nothing complicated about it x50, x60, x70, x80, x90. Very simple.

Yep. For decades Radeons have been named like this:

Prefix = Era (X, HD, R5/7/9, RX)

1st Digit = Generation (HD 2900 XT, HD 3870, HD 4670, HD 5970)

2nd Digit = Performance Tier:
9 = Halo (HD 5970, HD 7970, RX 7900 XTX)
8 = Enthusiast (HD 4870, R9 280X)
7 = High-End and Specialty (HD 4770, RX 5700 XT)
6 = Mainstream Gaming (HD 5650, RX 6600 XT)
5 = Entry-Level Gaming (RX 6500 XT, HD 6570)
4 = HTPC and Office Apps (HD 5450, RX 6400)
3, 2 ,1 = IGP (HD 3100/3200/3300)

3rd Digit = When not the last digit, it indicates the level in a certain performance tier (HD 4830, HD 4850, HD 4870, HD 4890)

Last Digit = Always a 0 and means nothing

Suffix = The same meaning as the third digit or indicates a special card (like the HD 7870 XT which should've been called the HD 7930)
When present, suffixes are LE, Pro, XT and XTX. (X1900 XTX, 9600 Pro, HD 2900 XT
LE = Limited (Performance) Edition
Pro = Self-Explanatory
XT = Extreme
XTX = Extreme Extra

GeForce nomenclature is different of course but the philosophy remains similar. The prefix when there is one says the era like GTX and RTX, the first numbers are the generation (8800 GTX, 9800 GTX) and the suffix says the performance level (LE, GT, GTS, GTX).

I don't know how anyone could call the model numbers of video cards arbitrary because they're anything but. That's why when the manufacturers screw around with the numbering system we all get pissed off because it means that they're lying to us. Kinda like how Ford calls that new crossover vehicle a "Mustang".

 

[Shou Miko]

First a good review as W1zzard always do but this card here shouldn't be really because the card is unavailable for purchase a lot of places only the OC model which is more expensive even.

RTX 4070 Ti TUF non-OC is price about £827,00 / 1023USD some webshops even go as far saying this model has been discontinued.

RTX 4070 Ti TUF OC is priced between £945 / 1170USD to £957 / 1184USD which is too much over price for a TUF card even the 40 series is overpriced.

 

[Why_Me]

First a good review as W1zzard always do but this card here shouldn't be really because the card is unavailable for purchase a lot of places only the OC model which is more expensive even.

RTX 4070 Ti TUF non-OC is price about £827,00 / 1023USD some webshops even go as far saying this model has been discontinued.

RTX 4070 Ti TUF OC is priced between £945 / 1170USD to £957 / 1184USD which is too much over price for a TUF card even the 40 series is overpriced.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming

Asus TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card $799.99 USD

 

[the54thvoid]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming

Asus TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card $799.99 USD

At 8:53 GMT, I clicked the first Asus card that says 'in stock'. It's out of stock. Also, those are US sites.

This is the UK Asus store (puma may be UK given the £ price was first):

The US price at $799 is £645. Even with 20% VAT (is it 21?), it's £774. Except, it's £125 above what tax ought to do. Of course, you can blame import duty etc but nah, Tech manufacturers treat the EU area different from the continental US. Canada gets shafted to, I believe.

Basically, US prices are only for the US, even when you add on tax, the US is given the lowest costing.

 

[Why_Me]

At 8:53 GMT, I clicked the first Asus card that says 'in stock'. It's out of stock. Also, those are US sites.

This is the UK Asus store (puma may be UK given the £ price was first):

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The US price at $799 is £645. Even with 20% VAT (is it 21?), it's £774. Except, it's £125 above what tax ought to do. Of course, you can blame import duty etc but nah, Tech manufacturers treat the EU area different from the continental US. Canada gets shafted to, I believe.

Basically, US prices are only for the US, even when you add on tax, the US is given the lowest costing.

Is that including VAT because we have no VAT in the US or at least the US state I live in has no sales tax.

 

[nguyen]

At 8:53 GMT, I clicked the first Asus card that says 'in stock'. It's out of stock. Also, those are US sites.

This is the UK Asus store (puma may be UK given the £ price was first):

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The US price at $799 is £645. Even with 20% VAT (is it 21?), it's £774. Except, it's £125 above what tax ought to do. Of course, you can blame import duty etc but nah, Tech manufacturers treat the EU area different from the continental US. Canada gets shafted to, I believe.

Basically, US prices are only for the US, even when you add on tax, the US is given the lowest costing.

And Asus 7900XT OC is 1100 quids, probably too many prefer Asus brand that Asus think they can charge more

 

[bug]

Is that including VAT because we have no VAT in the US or at least the US state I live in has no sales tax.

European sites include VAT. You can do that when you sell to only one country.
I know US sites do not include sales tax, because that's different for each state.

 

[Shou Miko]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming

Asus TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card $799.99 USD

That's US I am located in EU most of the time.

At 8:53 GMT, I clicked the first Asus card that says 'in stock'. It's out of stock. Also, those are US sites.

This is the UK Asus store (puma may be UK given the £ price was first):

View attachment 281020


The US price at $799 is £645. Even with 20% VAT (is it 21?), it's £774. Except, it's £125 above what tax ought to do. Of course, you can blame import duty etc but nah, Tech manufacturers treat the EU area different from the continental US. Canada gets shafted to, I believe.

Basically, US prices are only for the US, even when you add on tax, the US is given the lowest costing.

My ISP base is in the UK yes, but my work ain't.

 

[the54thvoid]

That's US I am located in EU most of the time.



My ISP base is in the UK yes, but my work ain't.

I actually thought you might be Danish with the dk in your name.

But yeah, as far as the Asus cards (of NV or AMD), they really ramp up the prices. @Why_Me - the UK price will include all taxes, but even then, I think on exchange rates we get humped. The dollar is still the go-to currency, so most companies that do global business where the US is a prime market will pin standard pricing on the dollar.

 

[Shou Miko]

I actually thought you might be Danish with the dk in your name.

But yeah, as far as the Asus cards (of NV or AMD), they really ramp up the prices. @Why_Me - the UK price will include all taxes, but even then, I think on exchange rates we get humped. The dollar is still the go-to currency, so most companies that do global business where the US is a prime market will pin standard pricing on the dollar.

Currently in Denmark, I have family and so.

Asus actually last year lowered their prices I think it was maybe 20% or something but this still doesn't mean that the non-oc model appears to not be in the making anymore some danish sellers such as MM-Vision.dk removed it and only have the OC model.

Proshop which is known in Norway, Sweden, Germany and more still lists the non-oc model and delivery set to be February but I won't bet on it.

 

[Avro Arrow]

At 8:53 GMT, I clicked the first Asus card that says 'in stock'. It's out of stock. Also, those are US sites.

This is the UK Asus store (puma may be UK given the £ price was first):

View attachment 281020


The US price at $799 is £645. Even with 20% VAT (is it 21?), it's £774. Except, it's £125 above what tax ought to do. Of course, you can blame import duty etc but nah, Tech manufacturers treat the EU area different from the continental US. Canada gets shafted to, I believe.

Basically, US prices are only for the US, even when you add on tax, the US is given the lowest costing.

Yep, it's also higher in Canada which grinds my gears because ATi is in Canada but Radeons still cost more here. It's not like the cards are made in the USA in the first place so it's not like they can claim shipping. I think that it might have to do with tariffs and trade agreements.

 

[rruff]

Do you think it would be feasible to make those badges into links that send people to a page that explain what each badge means?

Don't take this personally, bug... your comment was just the last in a long line that put me over the edge....

I think people bitching about "the badge" on this forum should grow up a little, get an attitude adjustment, or maybe take the time to read the whole review and make up their own mind.

Seriously... it's like a bunch of 2 year olds... who have zero clue about the real world. They just want what they want and scream if they don't get it. "I want a 30% faster GPU for less money, not more money!... waaaaaaa!" The price is dictated by supply and demand, competition, and the cost of production. If you think AMD and Nvidia are too greedy, then fund and start your own company to build these things and make billions. Or come back and tell us why you actually went bankrupt. A much simpler way would be to buy stock in these companies so you can ride on the coattails of their "greed".

W1zzard's reviews are the best in the fucking world! Pretty much anything you'd like to know is comprehensively tested. I've never cared about the badge in the slightest, but I'm going to guess that it is very heavily weighted towards the overall quality and value of the card, vs others of similar performance that are currently available. This the value that matters, and how he (and all of us) should judge value. And on this score the 4070 Tis are pretty darn good. They've made cards with similar performance cut prices. This should make you happy!... as well as proving that the 4070 Tis are a competitive value.

 

[bug]

@rruff I'm not taking it personally, I repeatedly said I don't really look at badges anymore. That was just a suggestion for those that still do, but don't make much sense of the badges.

W1zzard's reviews may be the best, but unfortunately TikTok has taught us the attention span must not exceed 1 minute. Thus reading is out of the question.

 

[big_glasses]

W1zzard's reviews may be the best, but unfortunately TikTok has taught us the attention span must not exceed 1 minute. Thus reading is out of the question.

True, I just look at the shiniest thing on the page

 

[W1zzard]

Do you think it would be feasible to make those badges into links that send people to a page that explain what each badge means?

This has been added.. finally

 

[bug]

This has been added.. finally

I was thinking about turning the image itself into a link. But you did it better, my way would have had people complain they don't know they can click the image. Kudos.

 

[W1zzard]

my way would have had people complain they don't know they can click the image

Yeah I thought about that and decided to add the link because people sometimes really have a hard time finding things

 

[dando]

Not defending the pricing of the 4070 ti by any means, but I don't really think there's a viable equivalent within that performance, at least in my area. My options are to either get a 3080 (regular, 10GB), or pay $60 more for a 4070 ti, which for the increase in performance seems like an absolute no brainer. An AMD equivalent is a non starter, since a 6900/6950 here is at around the price of the 3080, and a 7900 XT is at least $150 more expensive than the 4070 ti. At the moment I'm just waiting it out, but my ol' RX 480 8GB is already restricting me from some games at 1080p, let alone 1440p.

 

[I_Want_Answers]

This is kinda my takeaway too. Let's forget the worrying trend this price creep signalizes for a moment and assume we're living in a vacuum. I'm looking at Amazon and Geizhals for European buyers right now and seeing some aftermarket RTX 4070 Ti models going for $820 - $850 on Amazon / €900 on Geizhals. The cheapest 7900 XT's are going for $900 / €950 but offer less value for people like myself who are into 3D modeling or anyone who wants raytracing.

Meanwhile, the cheapest RTX 3090 Ti FE is either $1,700 or €1,400 while being only slightly better than the 4070 Ti at 4K.

So my genuine question is, without the burden of past trends & glory days, if you need to buy a GPU RIGHT NOW, why is the 4070 Ti seen as such an insult or bad investment?

 

[rruff]

At the moment I'm just waiting it out, but my ol' RX 480 8GB is already restricting me from some games at 1080p, let alone 1440p.

If cost is important to you, then buying further down the foodchain and upgrading more often makes more sense. You can buy a 6650 XT in the US right now for $260 and get 2-2.5x better performance, but it's probably sensible to wait and see what Nvidia brings in this price/performance range.

 

[bug]

This is kinda my takeaway too. Let's forget the worrying trend this price creep signalizes for a moment and assume we're living in a vacuum. I'm looking at Amazon and Geizhals for European buyers right now and seeing some aftermarket RTX 4070 Ti models going for $820 - $850 on Amazon / €900 on Geizhals. The cheapest 7900 XT's are going for $900 / €950 but offer less value for people like myself who are into 3D modeling or anyone who wants raytracing.

Meanwhile, the cheapest RTX 3090 Ti FE is either $1,700 or €1,400 while being only slightly better than the 4070 Ti at 4K.

So my genuine question is, without the burden of past trends & glory days, if you need to buy a GPU RIGHT NOW, why is the 4070 Ti seen as such an insult or bad investment?

I'm a casual gamer (and even less lately, because of lack of time). I can justify $200-300 for a new GPU every other year. $800+? That's the price for a week of vacation in Greece.
Is that a simple enough explanation?

 

[Why_Me]

I'm a casual gamer (and even less lately, because of lack of time). I can justify $200-300 for a new GPU every other year. $800+? That's the price for a week of vacation in Greece.
Is that a simple enough explanation?

Here ya go.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rf...oc-video-card-radeon-rx-6650-xt-mech-2x-8g-oc
MSI Radeon RX 6650 XT OC 8GB Video Card $259.99

 

[Why_Me]

decent card priced badly. i also do not understand how these cards eat 300W at 295mm^2 GPU. This means that either the GPU is pushed too high frequency wise or the memory is getting inefficient. Or both. I could bet that this is a 100W GPU at 1500mhz.
I guess, given the rising silicon prices, companies nowadays try to maximize what a small GPU can do, hence run it outside of its efficiency zone, to hit the performance target of an otherwise bigger GPU that runs at slower but more efficient frequencies. This GPU looks like an RTX 4060 class GPU that is OC-ed to hit 4070-4080 class performance with the added downside of higher power consumption.

RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kV...-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming
ASUS TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Video Card $799.99