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Link to their psu section http://www.hardocp.com/reviews.html?cat=NDUsUG93ZXIgU3VwcGxpZXMgLyBQU1UsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=
I suggest giving them a good read whenever you have spare time. They go and test units at 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100% of what they are rated and see how they hold up, all at 45c instead of the normal 25c most manufacturers rate their units at. They spent over 10k on their testing setup to push each unit to its limits. In each review they have a link to their testing methodology (link http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI4OSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0)
 

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Link to their psu section http://www.hardocp.com/reviews.html?cat=NDUsUG93ZXIgU3VwcGxpZXMgLyBQU1UsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=
I suggest giving them a good read whenever you have spare time. They go and test units at 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100% of what they are rated and see how they hold up, all at 45c instead of the normal 25c most manufacturers rate their units at. They spent over 10k on their testing setup to push each unit to its limits. In each review they have a link to their testing methodology (link http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI4OSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0)

whoa preety cool, ty
 

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Ooh...never read one of jonnyguru's.
 

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Guys, if you want to know something about PSU's go to jonnyguru, [H]ardOCP, SPCR, pcper, Xbit Labs, hardwarecanucks.

panchoman I'm sure that it's a honest ideea your initial post, but at a first glance you have some mistakes:
- PFC has nothing to do with PSU efficiency, nor with voltage adjustement itself(?)
- multi rails are not so bad, especially if they're balanced (Enermax Liberty for example: 2 12V rail with 20A/rail but for a total of 30A on 12V. That's mean that if you need 20A one one rail you have 10A on another).
- OEM list. Topower is a hit and miss. Any single person that I know is avoiding like hell Topower.
Seventeam. Server grade PSU company, and they do sell under their brand. LOL, I have one in my hands. :D
CWT. Their new series found in TT Toughpower, Chieftec Turbo series, Corsair VX550 or TX650, Gigabyte Odin are top notch PSU's.
Andysons. Server grade units. Higly reccomended, but you have to choose wise.
Delta. Why in the name of Earth you put Delta in red??
Same for Etasis? Red?
Gigabyte? It's a CWT. New series.
Zippy? Zippy?? Stay away from Zippy? My GOD!

I'm stopping here. Your post is a mix of good and bad things. You should reconsider it.
 

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i do thank you burebista, you must realise that this guide is written based on my knowledge and sources, i do thank you for the information and i will check into the validity of your statements and update accordingly, oem's on which i do not know much info about are placed in red because i cannot say that its a good or bad product, which is why i say stay away. etasis is in green btw. and what does cwt stand for?
 

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I really have to agree on the eXtremePower 650W given the green color coding.

I'd definitely recommend it, it's an incredibly solid product. Especially for being so cheap and having a large rebate.
 

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good guide so far and is getting better ;) maybe this will be another one of those things techies use as THE guide to PSUs?


should get w1z to add TPU approved pics for the green ones :roll:
 

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good guide so far and is getting better ;) maybe this will be another one of those things techies use as THE guide to PSUs?


should get w1z to add TPU approved pics for the green ones :roll:

sparked an idea lol. maybe i can link to tpu reviews of certian psu's within the guide lol. i'd love for this guide to become THE GUIDE lol.

oh and also guys. i'd like to thank cdawall for contributing to this guide behind the scenes. hes also been added to the list of contributors on the guide.
 

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i do thank you burebista, you must realise that this guide is written based on my knowledge and sources, i do thank you for the information and i will check into the validity of your statements and update accordingly, oem's on which i do not know much info about are placed in red because i cannot say that its a good or bad product, which is why i say stay away. etasis is in green btw. and what does cwt stand for?
CWT = Channel Well. It seems that some of their series are making a turn around in quality. The Thermaltake Toughpowers and the newer Corsair VX550 are Channel Well, and are getting spectacular reviews.

Here's the Jonny Guru review of the VX550. http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=135&page_num=1
 

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ah well, while channellwell has corrected them selfs, we must not forget hiper psu's lol.
Or the Smartpowers. But yeah, just a heads up that ChannelWell is starting to do some good.

Also, a heads up that Corsair is apparently using ChannelWell in their VX series of psus.
 

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will be added, ty for the info.
 

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Guys, if you want to know something about PSU's go to jonnyguru, [H]ardOCP, SPCR, pcper, Xbit Labs, hardwarecanucks.

panchoman I'm sure that it's a honest ideea your initial post, but at a first glance you have some mistakes:
- PFC has nothing to do with PSU efficiency, nor with voltage adjustement itself(?)
- multi rails are not so bad, especially if they're balanced (Enermax Liberty for example: 2 12V rail with 20A/rail but for a total of 30A on 12V. That's mean that if you need 20A one one rail you have 10A on another).
- OEM list. Topower is a hit and miss. Any single person that I know is avoiding like hell Topower.
Seventeam. Server grade PSU company, and they do sell under their brand. LOL, I have one in my hands. :D
CWT. Their new series found in TT Toughpower, Chieftec Turbo series, Corsair VX550 or TX650, Gigabyte Odin are top notch PSU's.
Andysons. Server grade units. Higly reccomended, but you have to choose wise.
Delta. Why in the name of Earth you put Delta in red??
Same for Etasis? Red?
Gigabyte? It's a CWT. New series.
Zippy? Zippy?? Stay away from Zippy? My GOD!

I'm stopping here. Your post is a mix of good and bad things. You should reconsider it.
Yeah, i LOL'd about this PSU guide. Silverstone have few Etasis made beasts that Jonny put 10 for performance. Fuhjyyu caps in old CWT built Antec units were crap, but that it, don't thinks that all other CWT units are crap.
 

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Yeah Channelwell is getting better, the antecs were great till they went. My toughpower is rock solid.
 

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yeah, gotta update that. but we must not forget hipers and smartpowers lol.
 

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yeah, gotta update that. but we must not forget hipers and smartpowers lol.

Thats 100% true, but my Smart Power did good for a year. For some reason, there was a defect in them that caused them to die, maybe bad Caps.
 

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w/e the reason was, cwt lost their reputaiton right there and then. but seeing the toughpowers and corsairs, i will let good cwt products go as green and bad ones as red. and the company itself will be yellow. and a remark about the oem will be put up.
 

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I wouldnt recommend this guide

for example: I've used okia (broadway com corp) psu's all my life, but I've NEVER run into any problems. Also, alot of these "stay away" psu's I've used that have had lifetime warranties they never gave me or my friends who used them any problems.

this is all based on personal opinion, i do believe.

Edit- ALL of these PSU's would last a long time if no one Overclocked, instead of buying the faster CPU, but I cant say much because im a overclocker.
 

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I wouldnt recommend this guide

is this really the place to say that. honestly i created this guide to help you guys out and what not, if you dont like it, dont use it. simple as that. you must not forget that this guide is your guide, it belongs to tpu, not to myself. many people have already contributed to improving this guide, how about you help to improve this guide?
 

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Im only voicing my opinion, and Im not gonna follow the guide, as I believe antec, and broadway com corp are very solid psu's.
 

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Im only voicing my opinion, and Im not gonna follow the guide, as I believe antec, and broadway com corp are very solid psu's.


antec.. im sure you haven't experienced their smart power series as many of us have.
 

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^^ I'm currently using a Antec SmartPower, and i've had it for about a year (never had the chance to give it back to my friend lol), and it's still solid as a rock.
 

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Software Windows XP pro SP2 -- vista is still crap
i will repeat this once again:

This guide is for all you tpu users and its YOUR guide. if you dont like this guide. maybe you'd like to contribute to this guide rather then recommending against it like many of the other contributors of this guide have. i've merely laid the groundwork for this guide, then, you should try to improve your own guide. i do try my best to update it often and keep it well maintained. while this should be in the wiki so that all of you can update and edit it, however i would prefer for it to be on the forums where more people will see it. people such as keaker have already revised many parts of this guide and pmed me the revisions, which i gladly added to the guide. i wrote this guide based on information i have collected and found throughout various sources and also from my knowledge, but there are probably still inaccuracies here and there, and its the duty of you guys to point out these inaccuracies and fix them and what not, you cannot possibly expect me to do everything.
 
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