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There's some plausibility there.

Replying in this topic, because my reply is more "general" discussion rather than market numbers.


Coinbase has suspended Binance / BUSD trading.

This Binance / BUSD thing is incredibly slow moving. Its like everyone knows BUSD / Binance is in trouble, but it takes multiple weeks for events to play out. Very different from the Lunacoin or SBF issues from months ago. I think its inevitable for Binance / BUSD to collapse at this point, I'm just intrigued by the speed difference of this collapse.
 
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One of my favorite columnists, Matt Levine, has made a new post about Silvergate Bank. I've gotten about halfway through the post: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-03-02/silvergate-had-a-crypto-bank-run

I don't understand it all yet, but it seems very interesting given the Binance / BUSD stuff going on. It seems like the BTC to Dollars pipeline is breaking down as we speak?

Silvergate​

The basic function of crypto is that you can buy cryptocurrencies with dollars and sell cryptocurrencies for dollars. I suppose there are other functions? But the main thing is that if you think Bitcoin will go up, you spend some dollars to buy some Bitcoin, and then if it goes up (or doesn’t), you sell it for dollars.

If you like crypto a lot — or if you are an institutional-ish crypto trader — you will do this a lot, and you may find yourself frustrated with the dollar side of things. Crypto trades globally, 24 hours a day, seven days a week; you can use smart contracts to send crypto automatically, and sending crypto is generally a permissionless lightly-regulated activity. But if you want to buy crypto with dollars, you need to use the US dollar financial system, which can feel clunky to you, a crypto native. You will probably have to send a bank transfer, but the banks are not open 24/7, and some of them might raise annoying questions if you try to transfer money from your bank account to buy crypto.

There are solutions. One solution is that you take your dollars, you deposit them at a big trustworthy crypto exchange, and then you use the dollars in your exchange account to buy and sell crypto. The exchange holds a bunch of dollars and a bunch of crypto for its customers, and when you buy crypto the exchange deducts some dollars from your account and adds some crypto to your account, and vice versa when you sell. There are problems with this solution. The biggest is of course that sometimes the big trustworthy crypto exchanges aren’t, and they lose or steal your dollars. But another issue is that, when you deposit your dollars at the exchange, it needs to deposit them somewhere. It needs to keep customer dollars at some crypto-friendly bank that will give them back on demand.

Another solution is stablecoins: Instead of keeping your dollars at a bank, you turn them into crypto dollars by buying stablecoins that are meant to always be worth a dollar, and then instead of buying and selling crypto with dollars you buy and sell crypto with dollar-denominated stablecoins. But here too you have to trust the stablecoin issuer, which is not always a great idea. (Other stablecoins are algorithmic and that’s also risky.) And the stablecoin issuer needs to put the money somewhere, so again there is a need for a crypto-friendly bank.

Another solution is bank fraud, but don’t do that.

So you need a crypto-friendly bank. For big US crypto exchanges and traders, that bank is often Silvergate Capital Corp., a bank that is so crypto-friendly that it not only accepts deposits from crypto exchanges and traders, it also built its own payments network for crypto settlement. By “payments network” I mean that, if I have an account at Silvergate and you have an account at Silvergate and I want to buy some Bitcoin from you for dollars, we can do the dollars side of the transaction by telling Silvergate to deduct the dollars from my account and add them to your account. Here’s how Silvergate describes its Silvergate Exchange Network:

We designed the SEN as a network of digital currency exchanges and digital currency investors that enables the efficient movement of U.S. dollars between SEN participants 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. In this respect, the SEN is a first-of-its-kind digital currency infrastructure solution.
The core function of the SEN is to allow participants to make transfers of U.S. dollars from their SEN account at the Bank to the Bank account of another SEN participant with which a counterparty relationship has been established, and to view funds transfers received from their SEN counterparties. Counterparty relationships between parties effecting digital currency transactions are established on the SEN to facilitate U.S. dollar transfers associated with those transactions.
SEN transfers occur on a virtually instantaneous basis as compared to electronic funds transfers being sent outside of the Bank, such as wire transfers and ACH transactions, which can take from several hours to several days to complete. Our proprietary, cloud-based API combined with our online banking tools, allows customers to efficiently control their fiat currency, transact through the SEN and automate their interactions with our technology platform.
It’s a way to send dollars, at a bank, that feels welcoming to crypto investors: It’s 24/7, it has a cloud-based API, crypto exchanges are on it, etc.

And so Silvergate attracted a lot of crypto deposits. If you are a crypto exchange or a crypto trading firm, you will find it attractive to keep your money at Silvergate, because (1) they are nice to you and like crypto, which is not so true of a lot of other banks, (2) they let you send money to your crypto-trading buddies at 2 a.m. on a Saturday, which is also not true of a lot of other banks, and (3) they are a real live bank, regulated by US banking regulators, with public audited financial statements and capital regulation to try to keep them from losing your money, which is definitely not true of a lot of crypto exchanges and stablecoin issuers.

This suggests a very simple “narrow banking” business model for Silvergate:

  1. Take lots of deposits from crypto exchanges and investors, who really need a friendly bank, and pay them no interest.
  2. Invest the deposits in very safe assets, US Treasuries and reserves at the Fed, because you have cheap deposit funding and don’t need to take a lot of risk to earn a nice return.
In practice … oh, I mean, everyone takes a bit more risk than that. The obvious risk for Silvergate to take, on the asset side of its balance sheet, would be to succumb to the temptation of lending against crypto: Its customers (crypto traders and exchanges) have a lot of Bitcoin, they might want to borrow dollars, they’ll pay high interest rates, Silvergate has a lot of dollars (from its customers), it is just a natural fit.[1] Does Silvergate do this? Oh sure:

Our SEN Leverage product enables our digital currency customers to borrow U.S. dollars directly from the Bank to provide liquidity to support bitcoin trading activity using bitcoin as the collateral for these loans, which we refer to as SEN Leverage direct lending. In the SEN Leverage direct lending structure, a digital currency service provider, acting as custodian, holds the borrower’s bitcoin and the Bank uses the SEN to fund the loan directly to the borrower’s account at the exchange. In addition, the Bank also provides loans collateralized by bitcoin to digital currency industry companies for corporate treasury and other business purposes, which we refer to as SEN Leverage indirect lending. In the indirect lending structure, the lender uses bitcoin to collateralize its loan with the Bank and the funding of the loan and liquidation of the collateral may or may not occur via the SEN.
At the end of 2022, “total SEN Leverage commitments were $1.1 billion,” of which about $300 million seems to have been drawn. “All of our SEN Leverage loans continued to perform as expected, with no losses or forced liquidations,” Silvergate said in January.

A more boring risk for Silvergate to take would be just regular old interest-rate risk. Instead of taking customer money and parking it at the Fed, or in one-month Treasury bills, Silvergate could buy other pretty safe stuff — Treasury notes, US agency securities, mortgage-backed securities, municipal bonds — to try to get a bit more yield. And that seems to be the main risk that Silvergate took. Its balance sheet as of Sept. 30, 2022, shows about $11.4 billion of “securities,” meaning bonds: muni bonds, mortgage-backed securities, agency and Treasury securities. Meanwhile there was about $1.4 billion of “loans,” meaning the $300 million of Bitcoin loans plus some real-estate lending.

Then some bad stuff happened in the fourth quarter of 2022. Bloomberg’s Max Reyes reports:

For months, US authorities have been racing to sever ties between banks and risky crypto ventures, worried the financial system could someday suffer serious losses. They may have been too late.
In the starkest warning yet by a US bank catering to the sector, Silvergate Capital Corp. said Wednesday it needs more time to assess the extent of damage to its finances stemming from last year’s crypto rout — including whether it can remain viable. The shares plunged about 30% in premarket trading on Thursday.
The firm, which already reported a $1 billion loss for the fourth quarter, said that figure could climb higher. The company is still tallying the cost of rapidly selling assets to repay advances from the Federal Home Loan Bank System. It may also need to mark down the value of some remaining holdings.
That could result in “being less than well-capitalized,” La Jolla, California-based Silvergate wrote in a regulatory filing. “The company is evaluating the impact that these subsequent events have on its ability to continue as a going concern.”
Here is the filing. The problem is:

  1. Silvergate had tons of crypto deposits: $13.2 billion of deposits at the end of September, most of them not paying interest.
  2. Then crypto melted down and crypto investors took their money back from exchanges, which in turn took it back from Silvergate. By the end of December, noninterest bearing deposits were down from $12 billion to just $3.9 billion.
  3. Silvergate needed to come up with about $8 billion of cash to pay out these withdrawals.
It got some of the cash by borrowing $4.3 billion from the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, a government-chartered institution that is basically in the business of giving short-term secured loans to banks that have a sudden need for cash.[2] In late 2022 and early 2023, that described crypto-y banks, and it became controversial that they were borrowing from the FHLBs.

It got the rest of the money by selling a bunch of its bond portfolio: At the end of September it had $11.4 billion of bonds, $8.3 billion of them “available-for-sale” (an accounting term meaning that Silvergate had to mark them on its books at their fair value) and others “held-to-maturity” (meaning that Silvergate could mark them at cost and not worry about changes in market value). At the end of December, it had just $5.7 billion of bonds, all of them available-for-sale. It had sold the rest.

This caused problems, though, because the bonds were worth less than Silvergate paid for them, basically because interest rates went up a lot in 2022. One thing this means is that Silvergate realized losses on the sales:

In order to accommodate sustained lower deposit levels and to maintain a highly liquid balance sheet, Silvergate sold $5.2 billion of debt securities for cash proceeds during the fourth quarter of 2022. The sale resulted in a loss on the sale of securities of $751.4 million during the fourth quarter of 2022.
Another thing it means is that Silvergate had to recognize losses on the bonds that it kept, because it had been accounting for some of them as hold-to-maturity (no need to recognize losses), and now it has to account for them as available-for-sale: “In addition, the Company recorded a $134.5 million impairment charge related to an estimated $1.7 billion of securities it expects to sell in the first quarter of 2023 to reduce borrowings.”

The Bitcoin loans held up fine but that’s not the point. The result is that Silvergate had a net loss of $1.05 billion in the fourth quarter.

A core feature of bank regulation is capital requirements. If you are a bank, and you take $100 of deposits and make $100 of loans, and one of the loans defaults and you only get back $98, then you don’t have enough money to pay back all of your depositors, and that’s very bad. What regulators do is require that a bank that makes $100 of loans has to fund those loans with at most, say, $92 of deposits; the other $8 has to come from the bank’s shareholders. Then if some loans default and the bank only gets back $98, it can pay back all $92 of deposits, and only the shareholders lose money.

Capital requirements are mostly “risk-based”: You have to have about $8 of capital for every $100 of “risk-weighted assets,” and different assets have different risk weights. A bank that makes a lot of sensible mortgage and business loans might have to have $8 of capital for every $100 of loans, while a bank that, uh, holds lots of Bitcoin might have to have $100 of capital for every $100 of assets. Very safe assets — US Treasury bonds, for instance — have a risk weighting of zero: They are so safe that regulators don’t worry about you losing money on Treasuries.

There is a backstop to this rule, though, called the “leverage ratio.” Basically, a bank needs to have at least $5 of capital for every $100 of assets to be “well capitalized,” regardless of the risk weights of those assets.[3] If you are a pretty narrow bank with just $95 of deposits that you park in Treasuries, you still need to put $5 of your own money in as well.

Silvergate’s assets are very safe, despite those Bitcoin loans: They consist mostly of highly-rated bonds that are likely to be paid back in full. As of September, Silvergate had:

  • $15.5 billion of assets;
  • $14.1 billion of liabilities;
  • $1.3 billion of shareholders’ equity (about 8.6% of assets);
  • a regulatory leverage ratio of 10.7%;[4]
  • a total risk-based capital ratio of 45.5%, because a lot of its assets had zero risk weights.
That capital ratio of 45.5% looks very safe. The leverage ratio of 10.7% looks fine. But then Silvergate lost a ton of deposits, had to sell assets, and had a billion-dollar net loss. That left it with[5]:

  • $11.4 billion of assets;
  • $10.8 billion of liabilities;
  • $571.8 million of shareholders' equity (about 5.0% of assets);
  • a regulatory leverage ratio of about 5.1%;
  • a total risk-based capital ratio of 57%.
That capital ratio of 57% looks very safe. The leverage ratio of 5.1% looks a whisper higher than the 5% regulatory requirement to be “well capitalized.” If Silvergate had just an extra $19 million of losses, it would be below 5%.

From Silvergate’s filing yesterday:

Subsequent to December 31, 2022, a number of circumstances have occurred which will negatively impact the timing and the unaudited results previously reported in the Earnings Release, including the sale of additional investment securities beyond what was previously anticipated and disclosed in the Earnings Release primarily to repay in full the Company’s outstanding advances from the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco. The Company sold additional debt securities in January and February 2023 and expects to record further losses related to the other-than-temporary impairment on the securities portfolio. These additional losses will negatively impact the regulatory capital ratios of the Company and the Company's wholly owned subsidiary, Silvergate Bank (the "Bank"), and could result in the Company and the Bank being less than well-capitalized. In addition, the Company is evaluating the impact that these subsequent events have on its ability to continue as a going concern for the twelve months following the issuance of its financial statements. The Company is currently in the process of reevaluating its businesses and strategies in light of the business and regulatory challenges it currently faces.
Silvergate had to sell more bonds to repay the Federal Home Loan Bank loan, so it booked more losses, so … it is a close question, but it seems possible that it now has a leverage ratio below 5% and so is not “well capitalized.” That is not technically the end of the world — if the number is above 4%, Silvergate would still be “adequately capitalized” — but it’s not great, and it’s pointing in the wrong direction.

If you are a bank you do not want to be pointing in the wrong direction, because that becomes self-fulfilling. Bloomberg reports today:

Investors and business partners headed for the exits, with the stock down as much as 55%, while Coinbase Global Inc., Galaxy Digital Holdings Ltd., Paxos Trust Co. and other crypto firms decided to stop accepting or initiating payments through Silvergate. The exodus may threaten the bank’s key source of deposits and a platform for crypto participants to transfer money among each other.
“In light of recent developments & out of an abundance of caution, Coinbase is no longer accepting or initiating payments to or from Silvergate,” Coinbase said on Twitter. “Coinbase will be facilitating institutional client cash transactions with our other banking partners.”
We have talked a lot over the last year about crypto shadow banks imploding. Often, when a crypto shadow bank implodes, its leader will say that there was a “run on the bank”: It had valuable assets, but customers asked for their money back all at once, so it had to dump the assets, so they lost value, so it didn’t have enough money to pay back all the customers. I have been skeptical of these claims, because in general the valuable assets were, like, magic beans that the crypto shadow bank had invented itself. The crypto shadow bank’s assets — in the case of Terra, of FTX, of Celsius, so many others — were mostly confidence in the shadow bank itself, and when that evaporated so did the assets.

Meanwhile in actual regulated US banking, the idea of a “run on the bank” is somewhat quaint.[6] A run on the bank happens in, like, It’s a Wonderful Life, but in the real world of big US banks, that particular dynamic — you hear some bad rumors about your bank, you rush to withdraw money, the bank has to dump assets to get the money, it becomes insolvent — would be strange. In modern US banking, there is deposit insurance to reassure small depositors. There are programs — the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal Reserve’s discount window — designed to make sure that a solvent bank can get cash to pay out depositors. And there are capital and prudential regulations designed to make sure that the banks are solvent.

But Silvergate is having a real run on the bank! It has lost money, not by making dumb Bitcoin loans — the Bitcoin loans are fine — but by doing the normal business of banking, borrowing short (taking deposits from crypto firms) to lend long (buying Treasuries and munis). Silvergate’s assets are real boring normal stuff, and if its depositors had kept their money at Silvergate, its bonds would have matured with plenty of money to pay them back. Instead, the depositors demanded their money back all at once, and Silvergate had to dump its long-term assets at big losses to repay them.

The story today is that Silvergate’s customers are withdrawing their money because they are worried about Silvergate, “in light of recent developments & out of an abundance of caution,” classic bank-run stuff. But that's not why they were withdrawing their money in late 2022, when the trouble started. Then, they were withdrawing their money because crypto had collapsed: Silvergate’s crypto-exchange customers faced withdrawals from their customers, so they took their money out of Silvergate. The customers — crypto exchanges — were the problem, not Silvergate.

It’s just last week that US regulators warned banks about this:

The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Federal Reserve), the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) (collectively, the agencies) are issuing this statement on the liquidity risks presented by certain sources of funding from crypto-asset-related entities, and some effective practices to manage such risks. …
Deposits placed by a crypto-asset-related entity that are for the benefit of the crypto-asset-related entity’s customers (end customers). The stability of such deposits may be driven by the behavior of the end customer or crypto-asset sector dynamics, and not solely by the crypto-asset-related entity itself, which is the banking organization’s direct counterparty. The stability of the deposits may be influenced by, for example, periods of stress, market volatility, and related vulnerabilities in the crypto-asset sector, which may or may not be specific to the crypto-asset-related entity. Such deposits can be susceptible to large and rapid inflows as well as outflows, when end customers react to crypto-asset-sector-related market events, media reports, and uncertainty. This uncertainty and resulting deposit volatility can be exacerbated by end customer confusion related to inaccurate or misleading representations of deposit insurance by a crypto-asset-related entity.
It’s almost like they knew this was coming. The regulators did not quite say “therefore, don’t bank crypto exchanges”; in fact, they said the opposite: “Banking organizations are neither prohibited nor discouraged from providing banking services to customers of any specific class or type, as permitted by law or regulation.” But you got the idea.

I suppose this counts as contagion from the crypto crash to the real financial system: A regulated US bank is worried about “its ability to continue as a going concern,” and it is dumping Treasuries and munis and mortgage-backed securities to pay back its debts. It is a narrow sort of contagion: That bank is pretty much the Bank of Crypto, and I don’t think that, like, your mortgage rate will be materially higher because Silvergate had to sell off a few billion dollars of bonds. But it is certainly the sort of contagion that regulators will want to discourage, and now they have clear evidence that it’s real.
 
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Maybe. The new regulations are not finished being ironed out, so we'll see what happens.

There's a lot of discussions about FTX and Silvergate bank. People are definitely speculating that this is all just more FTX-related fallout right now.

As far as Silvergate Bank goes... its stock ticker today is pretty bad.

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Yeah, that just happened. This will change a few things for cryptocoin in general.

Oh man. I didn't read the kicker until now.

How deeply was Silvergate into crypto?​


Deeper than any other bank in the world.

The Bank for International Settlements has published its Basel III bank monitoring report for February 2023. The crypto section of the report starts on page 101 (page 111 of the PDF). This summarizes not just crypto holdings, but crypto exposure. [BIS, PDF]

Total worldwide crypto asset holdings in banks was a mere 1.0 billion EUR, while total crypto exposure was just 2.9 billion EUR.

One single bank makes up 61.7% of total, worldwide “cryptoasset prudential exposures” — that’s almost certainly Silvergate, with their bitcoin-secured loans to MicroStrategy and bitcoin miners.

Extraordinary claims should have extraordinary evidence. Page 103 of this document (https://www.bis.org/bcbs/publ/d546.pdf) is where the 61.7% claim comes from. I don't know if that's Silvergate or not however. I'm still new to this story and am trying to understand it.
 
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What if, this is not the only bank doing that...what if this is only the 1st of the banks? ‍ :confused:
 
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SACRAMENTO – The California Department of Financial Protection and Innovation announced today that Silvergate Bank, a state-chartered bank under the supervision of the DFPI, has voluntarily begun the process of liquidation. Silvergate Bank is based in La Jolla, California.

That makes it official.
 
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Ouch. That is going to hurt a lot.

Prices have started trending back down. I'll bet this is why. There more to come as well.
 
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Interesting. Apparently there are variations on this bill driven by bank lobbyists in multiple states. It would have made crypto illegal unless issued by a government, paving the way for a CBDC.

Got Veto'd by Kristi Noem in SD..



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And in other news, looks like Circle had about 8% of its USD reserves in SVB, so its losing some of its dollar peg.

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And in other news, looks like Circle had about 8% of its USD reserves in SVB, so its losing some of its dollar peg.

Coinbase is "temporarily" suspending USDC.


We are temporarily pausing USDC:USD conversions over the weekend while banks are closed. During periods of heightened activity, conversions rely on USD transfers from the banks that clear during normal banking hours. When banks open on Monday, we plan to re-commence conversions.

Hmmm... how much should we trust Coinbase is really going to keep this temporary?
 
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Credit suisse seems to be going down. I thing this might be getting serious. I don't think crypto is going to be an exception
 
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Credit suisse seems to be going down. I thing this might be getting serious. I don't think crypto is going to be an exception

i do some money will move from the banks as people lose confidence in them into bitcoin.. lets not forget this is what bitcoin was originally about..

currently people are moving money from the smaller banks into what are considered the "too big to fail" larger banks.. and i think some of this money is going into bitcoin..

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Typical Ponzi scheme :ohwell:
 
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Typical Ponzi scheme :ohwell:
What a shocker..
 
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Not at all. Cryptocoin is not something anyone should be considering a liquid asset at this time.
I could pullout tomorrow. Seems pretty liquid to me. Question is if that's a good idea, and at this point, given I've only got about 50 bucks, I'd rather just "leave it and see."

Hmmm... how much should we trust Coinbase is really going to keep this temporary?
At any rate, I used my USDC->USD card since then (I believe I bought a soda lol) so I'd say it was temporary.
 
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I could pullout tomorrow. Seems pretty liquid to me. Question is if that's a good idea, and at this point, given I've only got about 50 bucks, I'd rather just "leave it and see."
Perhaps I should have phrased it better, however my point stands.
 
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i had +/-350usd, i should have a lot more now, i say let it be

i also didn't understood the liquid part, you can sell it 24/7 and there is always buyers
 
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Sooooo... your money at Binance.US is either:

1. "Safe" at Silvergate

or...

2. "Safe" at Signature Bank

#2 collapsed a few weeks ago, and #1 is undergoing a slow collapse for the past couple of months. I'm not liking these odds.

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"Liquidity" is the ability to turn your stablecoins (USDC or BUSD or whatever) back into proper dollars (USD). Given the high-profile banking collapses of the past month, I think there's good reason to be suspicious right now. I've gotten a few calls wrong of course. But I don't think that things are looking very good right now.
 
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Sooooo... your money at Binance.US is either:

1. "Safe" at Silvergate

or...

2. "Safe" at Signature Bank

#2 collapsed a few weeks ago, and #1 is undergoing a slow collapse for the past couple of months. I'm not liking these odds.

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"Liquidity" is the ability to turn your stablecoins (USDC or BUSD or whatever) back into proper dollars (USD). Given the high-profile banking collapses of the past month, I think there's good reason to be suspicious right now. I've gotten a few calls wrong of course. But I don't think that things are looking very good right now.

The US gov guaranteed all deposits, so it's indeed safe.
It's also very ironic that your blaming crypto for a failure in a FIAT bank.
 
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