2TB WD SN770 NVME for £99 - what am i missing?

[freeagent]

You will be hardpressed to notice the difference.

Pretty content with my purchase

They are pretty zippy !

 

[wheresmycar]

Has this been fixed?

Samsung 990 PRO Flagship SSD Has an Endurance Problem, Users Notice Rapid Drive-Health Drops

Samsung 990 PRO is the company's flagship client SSD, which is among the fastest Gen 4 NVMe SSDs you can buy. It also commands a very high price premium, with the 1 TB variant priced at $170, and the 2 TB variant at $290. When you're buying in this segment, you expect the highest endurance...

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I haven't seen any updates since the initial flutter of interest.

thanks for the heads-up - gave me a bit of a scare considering high endurance for me is always factored in when buying primary storage. I wasn't aware of the issue but just did a couple of searches online and it seems a firmware update has the problem resolved (unfortunately not all is hunkydory for existing customers who fell under the previous firmwares wrath) https://wccftech.com/samsung-rolls-out-firmware-update-to-fix-990-pro-ssd-health-issues/

I'll make sure these sticks are updated to the latest FW (again thanks for the heads-up)

 

[iameatingjam]

Speaking of cheap SSDs, I see that here in Canada now you can get a sn850x 2tb for $195 cdn. Last year when I was looking for m.2s they were more than double that. Like 450. Not even kidding. Now they're not much more than some of the cheaper options I ended up going for (netac nv7000 and p5 plus) which are both good and I'm happy with them but I probably would have paid the extra $15 for the sn850x.

Holy moly its gone down even more, $155. Just bought one. I dont need the storage but couldn't help myself. Also... the 2tb p5 plus is now only $140 (CAD). Wtf. Considered doubling up on those and going raid 0 instead but nahhh thats overkill.

 

[brave]

Now 2TB WD Black SN850X is a 100£ pounds on UK Amazon and Ebay, and i see on the WD web sait on America is only 89$ for 2 TB version. Is a so cheap and the price is going only down.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

4TB m.2 from Crucial were £140ish and £155ish for the P3 and P3plus respectively during the Amazon Prime days summer sale.
I chickened out because not in need for extra storage upgrade for my PCs.

 

[Bomby569]

4TB m.2 from Crucial were £140ish and £155ish for the P3 and P3plus respectively during the Amazon Prime days summer sale.
I chickened out because not in need for extra storage upgrade for my PCs.

what is wrong with you, everyone knows the more you buy the more you save

More seriously now, prices of ssd's are ridiculous in a good way, to bad they are the exception

 

[iameatingjam]

Holy moly its gone down even more, $155. Just bought one. I dont need the storage but couldn't help myself. Also... the 2tb p5 plus is now only $140 (CAD). Wtf. Considered doubling up on those and going raid 0 instead but nahhh thats overkill.

What the heck the sn850x has gone down even more ( they said the deal was time limited... those liars) now its only $135 Cad, thats only $100 usd for a top of the line gen 4 2TB ssd. Unbelievable. I was able to get newegg to give me a $20 gift card valid for one year. Better than a kick in the balls I suppose. Can use it towards the 14700k ( or whatever its equivalent will be called)

what is wrong with you, everyone knows the more you buy the more you save

More seriously now, prices of ssd's are ridiculous in a good way, to bad they are the exception

Who needs video cards when we have all this storage? We can go back to pre-rendered graphics.

 

[wheresmycar]

I'm really surprised with the SN850X's sharp drop in price in some parts of the world... or possibly exclusive to USA. Here in the UK we saw a £20/£30 drop which is still great.

Oh well, i've bought something else prior to these discounted prices. No regrest though, the 850X and 990 pro both trade blows and already overkill for my use-case

a little update....

in all frankness the performance of a dram-less SN770 @ ~£100 "for me" is more than enough but good things always comes to the patient

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Someone i know is getting me two Samsung 990 Pro 2TB NVMEs at a considerable discount of £110 each (so a total of 4tb for £220 - YUMMY). I admit these sticks are overkill for my needs but at these prices its a BUY! At-least i'll get super fast transfer speeds when i occasionally shift around large data/video files within the storage device or over to the second one.

 

[freeagent]

Man those are good deals.. I almost should have waited before buying my SN770s.

No regrats though, good drives. I think I only paid 65 for each 1TB, I bought 3 lol..

 

[wheresmycar]

Man those are good deals.. I almost should have waited before buying my SN770s.

No regrats though, good drives. I think I only paid 65 for each 1TB, I bought 3 lol..

i know right! At the start of the year i dropped a £230 2TB SN850X (with stock heatsink) in a work build... six months-on, its now only £130.

Great time to buy fast storage!

 

[iameatingjam]

I'm really surprised with the SN850X's sharp drop in price in some parts of the world... or possibly exclusive to USA. Here in the UK we saw a £20/£30 drop which is still great.

Oh well, i've bought something else prior to these discounted prices. No regrest though, the 850X and 990 pro both trade blows and already overkill for my use-case

Def not just the US. The price has fallen at least 70% in the last year in Canada. The 2tb models were in the $400s last year. Though that was possibly scalpers idk. I just knew it way too expensive. And now, its $50 cheaper than the drives I bought instead. Thats nuts. Can't get my head around it. Its barely more than bare-bodes no dram sata ssds with tiny slc caches.

 

[wheresmycar]

Def not just the US. The price has fallen at least 70% in the last year in Canada. The 2tb models were in the $400s last year. Though that was possibly scalpers idk. I just knew it way too expensive. And now, its $50 cheaper than the drives I bought instead. Thats nuts. Can't get my head around it. Its barely more than bore-bodes no dram sata ssds with tiny slc caches.

yep all thanks to a huge surplus of NAND.... i say keep up the "oversupply" hehe and bring these big daddies to $50.

I'm also looking to replace my 6 year old 3 TB backup spinner - so optimistically looking forward to seeing 4TB SSDs falling in line with these nosedive reductions. The crucial p3 plus is already £175 which is amazing compared to last year but me is getting greedy for more cheapie cheapie

 

[Bomby569]

Man those are good deals.. I almost should have waited before buying my SN770s.

No regrats though, good drives. I think I only paid 65 for each 1TB, I bought 3 lol..

don't fell bad, it was good purchases, but definetely no point in buying sales right now, they drop the next few months. Buy as you need

 

[chrcoluk]

i know right! At the start of the year i dropped a £230 2TB SN850X (with stock heatsink) in a work build... six months-on, its now only £130.

Great time to buy fast storage!

I think I did see it on Amazon for circa £115 its deffo gone down a fair bit, although WD's site has a joke of a price and extremely different to what is over the other side of the Atlantic lol.

Why I didnt snap one up (yet) is its 2TB, if there was 4TB of the same thing for circa £230 it would be already in my rig. Problem for me is I dont want to be in a situation where to upgrade capacity I need to replace another drive as at that point the expenditure value becomes less efficient. So I want to go big capacity now when buying newer NVME, SATA as well really given I only have 3 free SATA ports, I really want the nand drives to be big enough to start replacing my 4TB WD's. 2TB for sure will be the minimal buy from me now on.

Good news is on this board, using M.2 doesnt rapidly decimate SATA ports, on my old Z370 first M.2 wiped out first 2 SATA slots, and the second M.2 which was only 2 lanes wiped out another 2 intel SATA, that board also only had 6 intel SATA (SSD 600MB capable). Situation is much better on this newer board.

 

[chrcoluk]

So I got a 2TB SN850X with heatsink, was going to let the PC have it but might move the 970 EVO back to main PC instead and put SN850X in PS5, although only gen 3 still a very fast drive, that bumps my NVME storage in there to 4TB albeit 2TB of it being the DC P4600, move the spare MX500 I got sitting in this PC to compensate the AMD machine for losing the 970 EVO (currently only about 100 gig used on it) and then potentially buy a 2nd SN850X without heatsink for the PC.

A nice bonus as well on my board I can keep using the M.2 to PCIE card on the 970 EVO as the 2nd PCIE x16 slot doesnt share lanes with the GPU slot (or anything else on the board) which is an improvement over my previous board. So first PCIE x16 gpu, second 970 EVO, third DC P4600, first M.2 980 Pro, second empty, third might get a SN850X. 2nd x1 PCIE slot has soundcard.

 

[Mussels]

I could bet my house the WD SN770 @ 2TB was going for around £150 a month back or so. Currently going for around £99-£115. Amazons got it listed for £99

What am i missing... its the same TLC, 1200 TBW, 5 yr warranty and PCIE 4.0 ssd right? No newer batch gimped specs or any other thing to look out for?

NVME drives are all tanking in price, while this is a DRAMless drive TPU's review shows it to be quite a good performer.
I'm waiting on a 4TB variant to be cheap enough as my secondary drive.


It seems like the top tier performance drives from various brands are having issues that are "fixed" by firmware updates (I don't trust this based on user reports and personal experience - I think revision changes are happening too, and the firmware updates are to buy time and keep it quieter)

The 'second best' drives like the WD SN770 seem to be the best choice, especially if you get the largest capacity in the product stack - most NVME flash modules, highest reliability and cache sizes

 

[wheresmycar]

I think I did see it on Amazon for circa £115 its deffo gone down a fair bit, although WD's site has a joke of a price and extremely different to what is over the other side of the Atlantic lol.

Why I didnt snap one up (yet) is its 2TB, if there was 4TB of the same thing for circa £230 it would be already in my rig. Problem for me is I dont want to be in a situation where to upgrade capacity I need to replace another drive as at that point the expenditure value becomes less efficient. So I want to go big capacity now when buying newer NVME, SATA as well really given I only have 3 free SATA ports, I really want the nand drives to be big enough to start replacing my 4TB WD's. 2TB for sure will be the minimal buy from me now on.

Good news is on this board, using M.2 doesnt rapidly decimate SATA ports, on my old Z370 first M.2 wiped out first 2 SATA slots, and the second M.2 which was only 2 lanes wiped out another 2 intel SATA, that board also only had 6 intel SATA (SSD 600MB capable). Situation is much better on this newer board.

Yeah i've noticed both WD and Samsung on their own websites have their products marked ^ whilst other retailers or amazon are showboating impressive discounts. Maybe contracted agreements supporting favour for third party sellers?

Good news is on this board, using M.2 doesnt rapidly decimate SATA ports, on my old Z370 first M.2 wiped out first 2 SATA slots,

I was meaning to investigate this sort of thing further but overlooked it. Glad you mentioned it. Both my Z270 and Z370 follow the same principle, some of the M.2 slots disable SATA ports. Not a biggie since my next upgrade will populate 2 M.2s and only 1 sata. I'm curious though, does the same apply to current mid-ranged B-class boards (AM5/LGA 1700)??

NVME drives are all tanking in price, while this is a DRAMless drive TPU's review shows it to be quite a good performer.

yep, initially it was TPU's review which got my salivating over the 770!

I'm waiting on a 4TB variant to be cheap enough as my secondary drive.

Me too But nosedive reductions on anything above 2TB is SLOWWW. I'm less familiar with historic records when it comes to storage prices... where do you see the 4TB units dropping to?

 

[chrcoluk]

Probably right I think on the contract arrangements, I have now ordered a second SN850X without heatsink (this one I will try out the board heatsink, I already tried out the one with heatsink in this system so have a baseline of temperatures to analyse how well the board heatsink works), will still put the 970 EVO in here, so will have very respectable NVME capacity on this system now as well as the SN850X in my PS5 which I already moved some games to it last night.

I do expect a new drive is coming from WD which this one is making way for.

For SATA NAND, I will only be buying 4+ TB drives from now on.

On the disabled ports I had forgotten I had a MX500 in this PC, as it was on a disabled port on the Z370, after upgrading the platform the thing appeared which made me remember its existence.

 

[Assimilator]

Me too But nosedive reductions on anything above 2TB is SLOWWW. I'm less familiar with historic records when it comes to storage prices... where do you see the 4TB units dropping to?

Crucial P3 and P3 Plus are about the only 4TB options priced reasonably, and both are QLC. 2TB is currently the sweet spot hence the low prices, 4TB is still relatively rare so more expensive, and 8TB remains stupidly expensive.

 

[wheresmycar]

Crucial P3 and P3 Plus are about the only 4TB options priced reasonably, and both are QLC. 2TB is currently the sweet spot hence the low prices, 4TB is still relatively rare so more expensive, and 8TB remains stupidly expensive.

yep low durability/QLC is the only reason keeping me away from these Ps from Crucial.

Then only reasonably priced 4TB TLC 3000-TBW ive seen so far is the Lexar 790 which is going for around £200 on Amz.

I have to admit its gonna be a tertiary storage unit for backups, plex local, other hardly accessed media so who knows i might just grab a QLC if it drops further in price. No more spinners for me, just spinning fans!

 

[Mussels]

Yeah i've noticed both WD and Samsung on their own websites have their products marked ^ whilst other retailers or amazon are showboating impressive discounts.

because they're about to release a newer product, they want to empty their re-sellers stock to encourage them to buy the newer products
They list it higher to discourage anyone other than volume purchasers from buying direct from them, so they can keep some for warranty purposes but still sell to anyone desperate enough to order them in bulk

Both my Z270 and Z370 follow the same principle, some of the M.2 slots disable SATA ports.

Intel have less PCI-E lanes than ryzen, so they disable PCI-E slots or SATA ports to get drives working.

SATA M.2 drives take a SATA port directly, while NVME drives can disable upto two SATA ports each - other than the one slot wired to the CPU, the rest is upto the board maker to decide. Some boards have large amounts of slots and ports, only to find that you can use very very few without something being cut back, the primary 16x slot and first NVME were the only safe ones (Now that's more confusing with the PCI-E 5.0 boards, where the 5.0 slot is physically first but uses GPU lanes)

 

[freeagent]

I just bought an SN850X 2TB for 134 CAD

 

[Wirko]

Crucial P3 and P3 Plus are about the only 4TB options priced reasonably, and both are QLC. 2TB is currently the sweet spot hence the low prices, 4TB is still relatively rare so more expensive, and 8TB remains stupidly expensive.

The Teamgroup MP34 4TB, if you can get one. Amazon says TLC, Geizhals database says TLC, 2400 TBW in specification sheet says TLC ... but that's about all.

 

[wheresmycar]

because they're about to release a newer product, they want to empty their re-sellers stock to encourage them to buy the newer products
They list it higher to discourage anyone other than volume purchasers from buying direct from them, so they can keep some for warranty purposes but still sell to anyone desperate enough to order them in bulk

Ah, that makes sense!

Intel have less PCI-E lanes than ryzen, so they disable PCI-E slots or SATA ports to get drives working.

so this issue is less prevalent on AMD boards (in particular: B/X-series)?

I suppose its not a big deal for most users considering we're hardly gonna populate all SATA ports. At best, i'm looking to use two M.2 NVMEs and two SATAs (or a third 4TB M.2 and 1 sata)

 

[chrcoluk]

because they're about to release a newer product, they want to empty their re-sellers stock to encourage them to buy the newer products
They list it higher to discourage anyone other than volume purchasers from buying direct from them, so they can keep some for warranty purposes but still sell to anyone desperate enough to order them in bulk


Intel have less PCI-E lanes than ryzen, so they disable PCI-E slots or SATA ports to get drives working.

SATA M.2 drives take a SATA port directly, while NVME drives can disable upto two SATA ports each - other than the one slot wired to the CPU, the rest is upto the board maker to decide. Some boards have large amounts of slots and ports, only to find that you can use very very few without something being cut back, the primary 16x slot and first NVME were the only safe ones (Now that's more confusing with the PCI-E 5.0 boards, where the 5.0 slot is physically first but uses GPU lanes)

On my Z370 there is two M.2, both disable two SATA ports.
Z690 luckily nowhere near as bad, both Gen 4 slots dont disable anything (slots 1 and 3), the Gen 3 port disables one SATA port.
In addition to the SATA port carnage the second M.2 port on the Z370 is also only two lanes. Using M.2 via PCIe slots however no penalty and all capable of delivering 4 lanes. Board has 3 slots (one usually populated by GPU). Although first 2 slots share CPU lanes.

B450 Pro 4, both M.2 as far as I know have 4 lanes, the first one disables 2nd full length PCIe slot, cant remember if second M.2 has any penalty.

However for ASRock AMD boards, I found this document which isnt great news. Seems if I try to use my SN850X in it I could have problems. (other WD drives also affected including the SN770), However I bet a M.2 PCIe card would save the day as it looks like pins are the issue. Another good reason to have spare PCIe slots.

https://www.asrock.com/support/qa/Technical%20NNotes%20-%20Storage%20Device%20Compatibility.pdf