Are 500w enough for r5 5600 and rtx 4070

[Sithaer]

Again this arguments and whatnot..
Look at my specs and guess what I'm running that with an entry level but somewhat quality 500W PSU with no isssues whatsoever.

Under heavy gaming load like Cyberpunk with RT enabled my system draws around 300W from the wall and my 500W PSU's fan doesn't even get loud while doing so.
An average RTX 4070 draws about the same power as my 3060 Ti since both are 200W cards unless you have some factory oced version with more PCIE connectors that doesn't worth it anyway since the performance diff is insignificant. 'gaming load is not really higher on a non X 5600 either vs my 12100'

With a random not exactly quality PSU unit yeah that might be a different question but its possible.

 

[maxfly]

To the question of “is this PSU enough”? Yes dude, it literally is irrelevant, all that’s relevant to that question is the wattage, OP didn’t ask “is this PSU good quality”. You’re the ignorant one here for going off a tangent. I told you even a 850w PSU could be of bad quality, is that PSU enough or not ? This is so stupid.

Lol just stop.

If you can't give responsible advice why post?

 

[QuietBob]

In TPU's testing a stock Ryzen 5600 uses about 130 W in Cinebench. This is total system power consumption for the test rig -- a rather bare bones setup with lax memory timings, a single NVME drive and a single fan air cooler. The system idled at around 55 W. Since CB is an all-core AVX load we can assume it to be the highest power draw for the CPU under most circumstances.

Among the eleven (!) 4070s tested here, we saw momentary consumption (transient spikes) between 200 W (PNY XLR8) and 247 W (MSI Gaming X Trio). So, in theory, a basic system with a 5600 and 4070 shouldn't consume more than roughly 380 W in a worst case scenario.

Yet, OP's power supply is a low tier model that offers 450 W on the 12 V rail (claimed by the manufacturer) -- and lacks even basic 80 Plus certification. Also, we know nothing about OP's system configuration. While the 450 W should be sufficient, I would not recommend using this PSU given its budget nature.

A quality 500 W unit from a reputable maker should be enough to power OP's rig without risking instability.

 

[inconr]

I guess my PSU enough to 5600 and RTX 4070. I watched a few videos on youtube, RTX 4070 system consumption is 350-400w.

I have 2x16 gb ram, r5 5600, ıd cooling se-224 xts cooler, sata ssd, a320 motherboard and 4 fans RGB case. Finally I am going to buy asus RTX 4070 dual ( because gaming consumption around 200w) and m2 SSD.

I will measure with a wattmeter, I will write the results here. Thank you everyone.

if specs don't lie it should be fine

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Can we understand from the file I shared?

 

[Regeneration]

You guys are funny. I suggest reading the reviews on the site you are posting. TPU review of the 4070 saw a maximum draw of 200w. That leaves another 250w for the rest of the system. 5600 will pull around 165w. Suggested psu requirements are always inflated.

500w PSU doesn't really deliver 500 watts but 50+ watts less.

And its not just CPU + VGA, but other devices too, like motherboard, fans, SSD/HDD, DVD, network, PCI cards, and USB devices.

 

[Ruru]

Nope. Minimum requirement is 650w. You can get one for cheap on Amazon, I got this one for my girlfriend's PC.

The "minimum requirement" of a graphics card is always for the worst case scenario. I ran a R9 290 OC (undervolted) with a high quality 430W unit several years ago without a single problem.

I also ran my old 1080 Ti OC/OV with a high quality 550W unit and the PSU has just a single 8+8pin PCIe cable without any hiccups.

 

[Dr. Dro]

if specs don't lie it should be fine

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It's 80 plus white certified (so it's already a laughably bad unit by default, this just means it's not a high-explosive IED waiting to go off like any PSU that is cheaper than this), but from the picture I've seen on the certification pdf I can tell this power supply is straight garbage (not to mention it's extremely old, like 2009 vintage) and you shouldn't use an RTX 4070 with it. In fact, you shouldn't use any graphics card beyond one that runs slot power on this thing.

Such an ancient low-cost power supply is likely group regulated. I'm surprised OP was irresponsible enough to continue using this unit with a modern PC. They should buy a decent 600-750W gold rated unit to be safe with the transients and to ensure their system operates safely and properly.

I guess my PSU enough to 5600 and RTX 4070. I watched a few videos on youtube, RTX 4070 system consumption is 350-400w.

I have 2x16 gb ram, r5 5600, ıd cooling se-224 xts cooler, sata ssd, a320 motherboard and 4 fans RGB case. Finally I am going to buy asus RTX 4070 dual ( because gaming consumption around 200w) and m2 SSD.

I will measure with a wattmeter, I will write the results here. Thank you everyone.


Can we understand from the file I shared?

Absolutely do not do this if you value your money, why would you invest on an expensive graphics card like a 4070 and cheap out on the one component that could kill it by sending tons of high-ripple, low-quality power into it? That makes no bloody sense whatsoever. Just don't do it. Buy the new PSU and then buy your graphics card, knock it down to a 4060 Ti if you have to, but buy a new PSU regardless. You'll thank yourself for it later.

 

[Ruru]

It's 80 plus white certified (so it's already a laughably bad unit by default, this just means it's not a high-explosive IED waiting to go off like any PSU that is cheaper than this), but from the picture I've seen on the certification pdf I can tell this power supply is straight garbage (not to mention it's extremely old, like 2009 vintage) and you shouldn't use an RTX 4070 with it. In fact, you shouldn't use any graphics card beyond one that runs slot power on this thing.

Such an ancient low-cost power supply is likely group regulated. I'm surprised OP was irresponsible enough to continue using this unit with a modern PC. They should buy a decent 600-750W gold rated unit to be safe with the transients and to ensure their system operates safely and properly.



Absolutely do not do this if you value your money, why would you invest on an expensive graphics card like a 4070 and cheap out on the one component that could kill it by sending tons of high-ripple, low-quality power into it? That makes no bloody sense whatsoever. Just don't do it. Buy the new PSU and then buy your graphics card, knock it down to a 4060 Ti if you have to, but buy a new PSU regardless. You'll thank yourself for it later.

PSU is way too undererated component what it comes to a PC build. A quality unit can last for many upgrades where a cheap unit (like in OP's case) may work for few years with a mid-tier rig. Hell, I'm running my setup with an old EVGA Supernova G2 750W which I bought used.

So yeah, I totally agree with you.

edit: My unit seems to be the little brother of your PSU

 

[Dr. Dro]

PSU is way too undererated component what it comes to a PC build. A quality unit can last for many upgrades where a cheap unit (like in OP's case) may work for few years with a mid-tier rig. Hell, I'm running my setup with an old EVGA Supernova G2 750W which I bought used.

So yeah, I totally agree with you.

edit: My unit seems to be the little brother of your PSU

Yup, the EVGA G2/P2/T2 series are built like tanks, Super Flower Leadex 1st gen platform, they were some of the very highest quality power supplies of their time. These were really built to last a lifetime of service. Unfortunately OP's PSU just... isn't up to the task. I'd have some reservations giving my OK if it was something like a 550 P2/G2 or maybe one of Seasonic's equivalents, but not on the one they are currently running.

 

[solarmystic]

Yup, the EVGA G2/P2/T2 series are built like tanks, Super Flower Leadex 1st gen platform, they were some of the very highest quality power supplies of their time. These were really built to last a lifetime of service. Unfortunately OP's PSU just... isn't up to the task. I'd have some reservations giving my OK if it was something like a 550 P2/G2 or maybe one of Seasonic's equivalents, but not on the one they are currently running.

I can absolutely vouch for the Super Flower Leadex 1st gen PSUs, I've a 550W Leadex Gold that is still going strong after 6 years, 1 platform change, 4 CPUs (i5 7500 -> i7 7700 -> i5 12400F -> i7 12700KF) and 3 GPUs (GTX 1060 -> GTX 1070TI -> RTX 2080TI).

Today in 2023, it's handling a 12700KF (stock, undervolted) and 2080TI (also undervolted) like a boss. The rig also has 6 SATA drives (4 HDDs, 2 SDDs), 2 NVME drives and 4x 16 GB RAM sticks.

Best quality low power PSU i've ever bought for a bargain.

 

[Athlonite]

Short answer: NO
Long Answer: NOPE

 

[AleXXX666]

The general recommendation is PSU should be used up to ~70% at max. So, let's take 200W for GPU and 150W worst-case scenario for multi-load of Ryzen (https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-5600-review,6.html). So it's 350W of main components, let's add for RAM, MOBO, fans, storage and maybe bling-bling another 150W at crazy case (https://www.buildcomputers.net/power-consumption-of-pc-components.html). This takes us for ~714W (so logically 750W PSU), but, good Gold 650W is very OK (I have made a build 12400F+3070 Ti with SeaSonic Focus 650 Gold succesfully for example). But you guys may skimp and buy 500W overpriced PSU when there are 600+ same good psus maybe just a little more!

 

[maxfly]

I think this is one of the many threads where a new member is looking for validation rather than good advice unfortunately. He/She will inevitably be back soon wondering why they can't run their favorite game with their new shiny 4070

I can absolutely vouch for the Super Flower Leadex 1st gen PSUs, I've a 550W Leadex Gold that is still going strong after 6 years, 1 platform change, 4 CPUs (i5 7500 -> i7 7700 -> i5 12400F -> i7 12700KF) and 3 GPUs (GTX 1060 -> GTX 1070TI -> RTX 2080TI).

Today in 2023, it's handling a 12700KF (stock, undervolted) and 2080TI (also undervolted) like a boss. The rig also has 6 SATA drives (4 HDDs, 2 SDDs), 2 NVME drives and 4x 16 GB RAM sticks.

Best quality low power PSU i've ever bought for a bargain.

Yep yep, SuperFlower makes some great units. The leadex 3s used to go on sale for great prices at Newegg but once word got out...that stopped with a quickness. I used to use the G2 series exclusively for client builds until the 650 and 750w G2s went eol. I lucked out with my 1300 g2. Caught it on Amazon for $150 while the 1000w G2 that I was initially going to buy was $250! Literally an hour or so later the 1300s price went up by $120. By far the best deal I've ever gotten on a PSU for myself. My Seasonic focus px-850s were a solid deal from bb @$148 but nothing close to the 1300. I bought four of the px-850s for future builds while I was at it knowing the price would inevitably jump back up. Last time I looked they averaged around $200.

 

[Eskimonster]

I´m waiting for OP to ask for help with BSOD´s if he don´t upgrade that PSU

 

[Dr. Dro]

I´m waiting for OP to ask for help with BSOD´s if he don´t upgrade that PSU

BSODs will be the least of their worries with that one, it's going to go up in smoke, spectacularly with rights to exclusive fireworks if pushed too far

 

[iameatingjam]

I think it will work.

 

[Lost_Troll]

I guess my PSU enough to 5600 and RTX 4070. I watched a few videos on youtube, RTX 4070 system consumption is 350-400w.

I have 2x16 gb ram, r5 5600, ıd cooling se-224 xts cooler, sata ssd, a320 motherboard and 4 fans RGB case. Finally I am going to buy asus RTX 4070 dual ( because gaming consumption around 200w) and m2 SSD.

I will measure with a wattmeter, I will write the results here. Thank you everyone.

You should be fine, but you are at the limit of the supply for spikes and added USB loads like charging and disk drives. I would also note, Asus recommends a 650W supply minim with the RTX 4070 dual.

Can we understand from the file I shared?

Yes, the supply is 80 Plus tested, but that does not mean much if you read spec on how they test the supplies and by the data sheet, it should be fine.

I would get the free hardware info 64 monitor and have it log while you are running a game and see what the 12 Volt rail is doing while you are playing. If the rail drops below 11.750 while playing a game, I would start to consider getting a new supply in the 650 to 750 watt range, with the 750 allowing you to add more ram and a faster CPU over time.

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[Sithaer]

Like it was said before the issue is not the wattage but more like the quality of the PSU.
This is my 500W Seasonic Core GM handling my system while playing Cyberpunk with high-ultra settings and Ultra RT+ DLSS Quality:


Still well within the specs of my PSU and the fan is not loud either.
An RTX 4070 draws about the same power so I could safely upgrade if I wanted to along with a 13400F or maybe a 14400 CPU upgrade.

 

[evernessince]

How many years has this PSU been in service? This PSU was originally released back in 2009 and that can play a factor in regards to it's total wattage output. Capacitor aging will trim a small amount, up to 10%, off the total wattage. In your situation that may well be a factor.

No idea about the quality of parts inside the unit as well which is going to be the most important part. How good the topology is, how good the protections are, the quality of the caps (particularly the bulk cap), and things like all the parts being properly cooled are all up in the air. If the unit has caps rated for 85c and poor circulation that could be a huge problem. Might be the OCP doesn't even work, impossible to tell without a review.

I've had cheapo PSUs like this one fail on me. In fact every cheap PSU I've purchased failed, the best being a HEC unit that lasted 3 years. Mind you that was paired with cheap computer parts and I lost some of them on one of those failures. There's no way anyone dropping $600 a 4070 should be using a PSU of this quality. PSU problems can be obvious like it smoking and taking the other parts with it or silent and it slowly killing your parts with poor voltage regulation. This is why I hope the cybernetics certifications become popular, they provide way more information on a PSU above the very basic report provided by the 80+ certification.

 

[freeagent]

If you have a light system, I would go with the rec. minimum of 650w..

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think it will work.

and I think not only it won't work, but it's very likely that it will result in an electrical fire. You don't run a 12VHPWR GPU on a 14 year old, group regulated power supply that barely reaches 80 Plus white on a 230V AC outlet. To do so is extremely irresponsible. And I'll go a step beyond, anyone pressing on and saying it'll be fine is setting OP up in bad faith by giving rubbish advice.

The only good, sensible advice you should give someone looking to install a graphics card on any computer that has an underdimensioned and/or low-quality power supply (OP's is both) is: do not skimp on the power supply.

Maxfly caught it:

I think this is one of the many threads where a new member is looking for validation rather than good advice unfortunately. He/She will inevitably be back soon wondering why they can't run their favorite game with their new shiny 4070

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

For what it's worth, I had a system build that ran the Ryzen 2700X and the 5700XT on a 500W eVGA PSU. Never an issue with it. The 4070 only needs one 8 pin, where the 5700XT had an 8 and 6. I don't see the 5600 using more power than the 2700X. Not sure how good OP's 500W is though.

 

[Athlonite]

For what it's worth, I had a system build that ran the Ryzen 2700X and the 5700XT on a 500W eVGA PSU. Never an issue with it. The 4070 only needs one 8 pin, where the 5700XT had an 8 and 6. I don't see the 5600 using more power than the 2700X. Not sure how good OP's 500W is though.

Yes you had an eVGA PSU good quality the op has a junk maker (HighPower)500W shitbox that was designed 14 years ago it was junk back then and it's even worse junk for a modern system

 

[iameatingjam]

and I think not only it won't work, but it's very likely that it will result in an electrical fire. You don't run a 12VHPWR GPU on a 14 year old, group regulated power supply that barely reaches 80 Plus white on a 230V AC outlet. To do so is extremely irresponsible. And I'll go a step beyond, anyone pressing on and saying it'll be fine is setting OP up in bad faith by giving rubbish advice.

The only good, sensible advice you should give someone looking to install a graphics card on any computer that has an underdimensioned and/or low-quality power supply (OP's is both) is: do not skimp on the power supply.

Maxfly caught it:

Well I trust you more than I do me when it comes to this stuff.

I've just had incredible luck with supposedly garbage psus before like that 530w raidmax I bought in 2013 for $30 that ran a 1070 for 6 years and still works, and the 600w apevia that ran a 3070 (then later a 4070) and a 11600k, and that still works, so I'm a little biased. The only psu I ever did run into problems with, was a supposedly 'good' brand name antec psu that caused artificating.

But if you say it wont work, I believe you.

 

[R0H1T]

The "minimum requirement" of a graphics card is always for the worst case scenario.

That doesn't really take into account the quality of the PSU, I'd assume whatever the manufacturers put out there it should at least be a decent Bronze rated one otherwise why even bother!