Windows 11 General Discussion

[windwhirl]

has there ever been an instance where installing a new OS on old hardware ever avoided decreased performance ?

I don't think so. Just looking at the minimum system requirements you get the idea they have only gone up over time, with some big jumps along the way (XP to Vista/7, to name one).

Unless Microsoft is taken over by one person that controls the entire company on their own and says "all this AI bloatware, all these background services bloatwares, this shit and that other shit, all of that shit must be turned right the fuck off yesterday", assume the requirements will continue going up. Performance increases, if they ever happen, are merely fixes to performance lost along the way due to frankly useless or irritating background services and bells and whistles the user doesn't care about, or terrible coding practices, or AI-generated code that's poorly optimized.

 

[lexluthermiester]

run through CTT

What is this?

 

[mechtech]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/02/tech/microsoft-layoffs-9000-employees

"Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said earlier this year that 20% to 30% of the company’s code was being generated by AI..."

So all MS software should be at least 30% cheaper then??

And what do we do when the entry level code jobs are all gone, and no one is left to promote into the jobs that need to validate and fix bugs in AI generated code? Such moves kill advancement potential, cutting off your own feet in the future.

Apologies for the off topic...........but ya this happened back in late 80s till not long ago as in a lot of companies stopped doing/taking on apprenticeships for tradespeople.........now we have a shortage of tradespeople...............classic..................and now the company's are we don't have any skilled people what happened!?!? just wow...............

Installed W11 24H2 today and...

I'm back on W10.

Even something as basic as CPU-Z showed performance drop (losing around 200 points during stress test).

And yes, it was standard iso run through CTT.

Guess you're paying for extended W10 updates?? I'm considering that as well............

 

[Chomiq]

What is this?

The Ultimate Windows Utility

Having Fun with Technology

christitus.com

Guess you're paying for extended W10 updates?? I'm considering that as well............

Well I guess the only thing at that point other than paying for extended support will be just giving in an accepting performance drop from updating to W11. For now I'm staying on W10 for as long as I can.

I don't think so. Just looking at the minimum system requirements you get the idea they have only gone up over time, with some big jumps along the way (XP to Vista/7, to name one).

Unless Microsoft is taken over by one person that controls the entire company on their own and says "all this AI bloatware, all these background services bloatwares, this shit and that other shit, all of that shit must be turned right the fuck off yesterday", assume the requirements will continue going up. Performance increases, if they ever happen, are merely fixes to performance lost along the way due to frankly useless or irritating background services and bells and whistles the user doesn't care about, or terrible coding practices, or AI-generated code that's poorly optimized.

This was with all the bloatware and telemetry already disabled, so without it it's probably worse.

The difference in CPU-Z was around 6500 multi score during stress test in W10 vs 6300 in 24H2.

 

[Shrek]

3% down, so probably not noticeable in practice.

 

[vigor]

Any help on how to debloat W11?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Any help on how to debloat W11?

Yes. Do you have a Win11 ISO ready to use? IF so, you would be best served by the following 4 things, the first two, most important.

While this is a response to @vigor, this info is for everyone to use.

1. Rufus https://rufus.ie/
Configure as follows if you're using a system that is older than supported hardware or if you have supported hardware but don't want to be forced into using microsoft's craziness;

2. You need an autounattend.xml file you can craft at the following site;
Schneegans autounattend.xml files for Windows 10/11
You'll need a bit of time deciding what you do and don't want, but it's mostly easy to understand.
Chime back in here if you get stuck on something(no shame if you do, a few of the options are somewhat complicated).
Once you've downloaded it and created your install USB drive, copy the autounattend.xml file into the root of that drive.
Then install as normal.

After installation has finished;

3. This next one is somewhat optional, but I highly recommend it; WinAeroTweaker;

Winaero Tweaker

The ultimate all-in-one tweaker for Windows 11, Windows 10, Windows 8, and Windows 7.

winaerotweaker.com

Again, this will take some time to go through and choose what options you wish to use, but is very effective in customizing.
There are options that will disable the automatic installed crap from the store app and control or disable all of the ad nonsense in the OS.

4. This might get some flak from some people but it perfectly safe and we're only using one function.
CCleaner Portable;

Download CCleaner builds | CCleaner Portable, Slim, and more

Download the latest build of CCleaner for FREE. Clean your PC of temporary files, tracking cookies, browser junk and more!

www.ccleaner.com

This uninstaller is the only option you really need from CCleaner. This a screenshot of a complete install, a fresh install will have very few items to be removed.
(To those who are tempted to chime in, yes powershell is an option, but this is arguably much faster, cleaner and easier.)

I personally remove the Edge browser first thing as I simply do not trust it.
Your mileage and preferences may vary.

Enjoy and again, chime in if you need pointers or help.

EDIT: Added in info for step 2.

 

[vigor]

Any help on how to debloat W11

Yes. Do you have a Win11 ISO ready to use? IF so, you would be best served by the following 4 things, the first two, most important.

While this is a response to @vigor, this info is for everyone to use.

1. Rufus https://rufus.ie/
Configure as follows if you're using a system that is older than supported hardware or if you have supported hardware but don't want to be forced into using microsoft's craziness;
View attachment 407012

2. You need an autounattend.xml file you can craft at the following site;
Schneegans autounattend.xml files for Windows 10/11
You'll need a bit of time deciding what you do and don't want, but it's mostly easy to understand.
Chime back in here if you get stuck on something(no shame if you do, a few of the options are somewhat complicated).
Once you've downloaded it and created your install USB drive, copy the autounattend.xml file into the root of that drive.
Then install as normal.

After installation has finished;

3. This next one is somewhat optional, but I highly recommend it; WinAeroTweaker;

Winaero Tweaker

The ultimate all-in-one tweaker for Windows 11, Windows 10, Windows 8, and Windows 7.

winaerotweaker.com

Again, this will take some time to go through and choose what options you wish to use, but is very effective in customizing.
There are options that will disable the automatic installed crap from the store app and control or disable all of the ad nonsense in the OS.

4. This might get some flak from some people but it perfectly safe and we're only using one function.
CCleaner Portable;

Download CCleaner builds | CCleaner Portable, Slim, and more

Download the latest build of CCleaner for FREE. Clean your PC of temporary files, tracking cookies, browser junk and more!

www.ccleaner.com

View attachment 407013
This uninstaller is the only option you really need from CCleaner. This a screenshot of a complete install, a fresh install will have very few items to be removed.
(To those who are tempted to chime in, yes powershell is an option, but this is arguably much faster, cleaner and easier.)

I personally remove the Edge browser first thing as I simply do not trust it.
Your mileage and preferences may vary.

Enjoy and again, chime in if you need pointers or help.

EDIT: Added in info for step 2.

I will get back to this. My PC is new I built it in April. Iam thinking about updating my bios 1st since I've read that there are some bad issues with AMD 9800x3d and Asrock mobos. Already installed Winaero but only checked few things in it and never came back to it.
Didn't know ccleaner can uninstall Edge doesn't Winaero do that too?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Didn't know ccleaner can uninstall Edge doesn't Winaero do that too?

WinAero doesn't have that functionality. WinAero can disable some of it's annoyances, but that's it.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

An epically major bug:

The July, 2025 patch-Tuesday update wrecks Windows 11!

It appears guaranteed to wreck Windows 11 with any previous updates that were installed. Will it still complete boot? Yes, but now, the updating components are broken, leaving people open to hackers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

An epically major bug:

The July, 2025 patch-Tuesday update wrecks Windows 11!

It appears guaranteed to wreck Windows 11 with any previous updates that were installed. Will it still complete boot? Yes, but now, the updating components are broken, leaving people open to hackers.

Article?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Article?

It's not an article, it's based on the unusual fact that the issue happened with both PCs and it doesn't look like any of the SSD or RAM hardware in the PCs.

See post #32: It's like post #32, but I found out the problem was worse. I checked CBS.log and I was shocked, TBF!

KB5062553 Windows 11 Cumulative Update build 26100.4652 (24H2) - July 8

Windows Blogs: July 8, 2025 - KB5062553 (OS Build 26100.4652) Windows Secure Boot certificate expiration Important: Secure Boot certificates used by most Windows devices are set to expire starting in June 2026. This might affect the ability of certain personal and business devices to boot...

www.elevenforum.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not an article, it's based on the unusual fact that the issue happened with both PCs and it doesn't look like any of the SSD or RAM hardware in the PCs.

See post #32: It's like post #32, but I found out the problem was worse. I checked CBS.log and I was shocked, TBF!

KB5062553 Windows 11 Cumulative Update build 26100.4652 (24H2) - July 8

Windows Blogs: July 8, 2025 - KB5062553 (OS Build 26100.4652) Windows Secure Boot certificate expiration Important: Secure Boot certificates used by most Windows devices are set to expire starting in June 2026. This might affect the ability of certain personal and business devices to boot...

www.elevenforum.com

And we have yet another reason to disable automatic updates.

@ microsoft, seriously WTAF are you folks doing? You do proper testing BEFORE you depoy. You don't use the general public as your vict...err... beta testers.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

And we have yet another reason to disable automatic updates.

@ microsoft, seriously WTAF are you folks doing? You do proper testing BEFORE you depoy. You don't use the general public as your vict...err... beta testers.

I wasted multiple hours, to figure out it wasn't the hardware of my PCs. On my daily driver, the WD Black SN850 1 TB SSD seemed suspiciously slow, it feels slow to me, and Beam NG randomly dropped to at or around 0 FPS for at least about 1000 ms!

I popped in a new Samsung 990 Pro SSD.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wasted multiple hours, to figure out it wasn't the hardware of my PCs.

Yeah, been there. It sucks.

 

[Chomiq]

Any help on how to debloat W11?

His tool has tweaker tab which basically let's you disable most of the stupid W11 bs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

His tool has tweaker tab which basically let's you disable most of the stupid W11 bs.

All of that is post install. The method I posted above prevents install of unwanted apps and OS components to begin with.

 

[Chomiq]

All of that is post install. The method I posted above prevents install of unwanted apps and OS components to begin with.

Yeah but video also has a how to for a clean install.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah but video also has a how to for a clean install.

To be fair, I hadn't watched the video. Not a big fan of the channel.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I wonder if GS is more reliable now. More reliable than default Windows 11.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

And we have yet another reason to disable automatic updates.

Tinywall blocks windows from phoning home for updates.

All i want is to move the taskbar to the top of the screen without using 3rd party software, is that so effin hard to do m$ ?? /s

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

This was the error I got with a fresh 11 installation from June! (post #53) Even when it didn't take hours, but it sure was slow for a PC like mine!

KB5062553 Windows 11 Cumulative Update build 26100.4652 (24H2) - July 8

Windows Blogs: July 8, 2025 - KB5062553 (OS Build 26100.4652) Windows Secure Boot certificate expiration Important: Secure Boot certificates used by most Windows devices are set to expire starting in June 2026. This might affect the ability of certain personal and business devices to boot...

www.elevenforum.com

It was only normal after a new install from yesterday!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Folks, this happened.

I've been talking about & recommending WinAeroTweaker for years.
Jay walks through a good portion of it, including the AutoUpdates problems. Very much worth a watch!

 

[Onasi]

I've been talking about recommending WinAeroTweaker for years.
Jay walks through a good portion of it, including the AutoUpdates problems. Very much worth a watch!

WinAero is incredibly based. One of the best tools for Windows tweaking and the site itself is also full of great info. The fact that all that is a work of one guy and that Sergey runs all of it from mostly ad revenue is just mind boggling. I do encourage people who find the tool useful to throw a couple of bucks his way via donations.

 

[Octopuss]

Sorry for useless comment, but what is it based... based on what? Or? I'm confused.