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A guy named walkingdog tested and made comparisons on [H] , thanks dude !

Here it is for you to enjoy . Not only does the ATI AA look better, but ATI cards perform better with AA. Looks like Nvidia may be sacrificing Image quality in order to not take too much AA hit.

Original Topic can be found here

I find that Ati’s AA is better than NV,
but while enjoying a game you may ignore the difference.
Generally speaking, more than 4AA setting in game will be hard to discover the difference, but if you have some patience to take a look, you will find they are not always the same!

I use two computers to test the AA quality of ATI and NV,
but with the same monitor(benq fp737s).
computer 1:
E6300, 2GB RAM, HD4850
computer 2:
E8400, 2GB RAM, MSI 8800GT OC

The games I tested were TES4:OBLIVION and Two Worlds,
AF was set to 8x by driver,and AA set to 2x、4x、8x,
so I can compare the difference.
Although the drivers of ATI and NV both have advanced settings in AA,
I ignore them. I only test the general settings of AA that everybody may use in game,
and many benchmarks found on www may be the same!

oblivion
2aa


4aa


8aa


two worlds
2aa


4aa


8aa


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oblivion


4xaa



8xaa




Two worlds


4aa



8aa



-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The following is the AA test of crysis!
Under windows xp sp2, the video quality all set to high.
(It’s a pity I can’t use 8xq and 16xq in crysis with my 8800gt,
the AA setting will become 0AA when applied)
ATI’s TENT and EDGE AA mode should be switched by driver!
The following is the comparison of 4AA and 8AA,
and you should take a look on the frame of the window.

Original (no AA)


4AA


8AA


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AA test of facing lightsource
Original ( no AA)


ATI




NV



You can find the variation of FPS by different AA settings.
ATI’s box mode has the best efficiency,
but its Tent mode will cause a big drop on FPS,
still it can smooth the edge of the lightsource and other textures perfectly!
NV’s 16AA is better than 8AA, but not so easy to make out.







Please Leave a thanks !
 

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After reading all that, and playing games myself on both, IMO there is no IQ difference between the two at this point, or the gap as at least been narrowed to the point where the difference is not noticeable.

Looking at a bunch of stills, and zooming so far you can't tell what you are looking at, might show a slight difference, but in the real world, while you are playing the game, there is no difference.
 
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I agree with ya newtekie...the thing that should be looked at more-so than differences in stills is overall performance at AA levels. Both cards do a great job at IQ from what I've seen. At this point in time, performance with constantly improving IQ @ higher resolutions should be more important.

Interesting results none-the-less! :toast:
 

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Even the original auther seems to agree with me. Now I wish people would give up on this stupid argument and stop wasting the time that could be used for better things, like actually playing the games.
 
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The Oblivion shots are at different angles and it does make a difference. The Two Worlds shots only show a small difference in 4X AA shot (ATI smoother), but in general the ATI image quality seems less detailed and with less contrast (a little more "bland"). Can't really tell a difference in the apples to apples Crysis shots. The various "flavors" available to one card only aren't a good comparison point.

That's basically the point of AA - and AF as well - in video card types. One might be slightly smoother and one might have better contrast. The difference is pretty much imperceptible to most people that don't count the number of hairs on their heads. ;) I'm not expecting them to behave identically.
 

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I agree...it is really hard to notice any difference.
 
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No difference.
So what's with the thread title?
 
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maybe there is not too much different but the point is ati AA better than nvidia AA and we see this is true , don't matter about how much , and future games care too much with AA and maybe will be see different with next games , score for ati in AA , nice thread wolf
 
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I find it funny the people who own nVidia cards are up in arms about this thread and there's barely any ATi owners paying attention.

From these screens I can't see the difference between the two plus it's hard to compare because of the angles are different in each comparison screenshot.

In saying this my brother who owns a 8800GTX discovered my HD4850 gives detailed reflections in rearview and side mirrors in GRID when he was watching me play it, while the relections with his GTX is blocky.

I'll have to get screenshot off him just to prove I'm not just saying this.
 

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I find it funny the people who own nVidia cards are up in arms about this thread and there's barely any ATi owners paying attention.



we are son's of this day, today ati 48xx better , im got 8800gt when ati release 38xx , but i see in tests the 8800gt better so im got it ,now im really think about got 4870 but it is cost me high cuz i want to change my mobo too , so the point is nvidia better when they release the 8800xx , but now ati better with 48xx , just like it was was better before with x19xx


and Widjaja can you give us the picture's , it will be good , thanx
 
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I've always prefered ATi's image quality and AA compared to nVIDIA's, and I have to have AA enabled in games otherwise I feel odd and my mind starts playing tricks on me.

Arrrh multiple post attack from hayder.master... -500.

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After reading all that, and playing games myself on both, IMO there is no IQ difference between the two at this point, or the gap as at least been narrowed to the point where the difference is not noticeable.

Looking at a bunch of stills, and zooming so far you can't tell what you are looking at, might show a slight difference, but in the real world, while you are playing the game, there is no difference.
And on that note

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By the time you leisurely stare at the edge of a window counting jags, your enemy would have pwned you.
 
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I've always prefered ATi's image quality and AA compared to nVIDIA's, and I have to have AA enabled in games otherwise I feel odd and my mind starts playing tricks on me.

Arrrh multiple post attack from hayder.master... -500.

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hahaha , sorry that's mistake im remove one ;)
 
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Taking another look at the nV vs ATi AA screenshots, all I can see is a difference in the lighting which has nothing to do with the AA.
Thats it.
AA is absolutely the same in all screens otherwise IMO.

@Haydermaster
emailed my bro so hopefully I can get some decent screenshots of GRID running on his card tonight so I can show you the unusual reflections difference.
 
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Taking another look at the nV vs ATi AA screenshots, all I can see is a difference in the lighting which has nothing to do with the AA.
Thats it.
AA is absolutely the same in all screens otherwise IMO.

@Haydermaster
emailed my bro so hopefully I can get some decent screenshots of GRID running on his card tonight so I can show you the unusual reflections difference.


ok , that's also good
 
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Good one;) I have considered this post in a different light than most here. Try to think of this...How much greater would the final benchmarks of ATI's cards be if they lowered their image quality to Nvidias.:cool:
 

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Good one;) I have considered this post in a different light than most here. Try to think of this...How much greater would the final benchmarks of ATI's cards be if they lowered their image quality to Nvidias.:cool:

Well, considering that both have the same IQ, I'd say not much.
 

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OMG the same old argument came back!!

OK let's forget about that any small difference that has to be seen on still images with 8x zoomed in is not a difference and that IQ is subjective and let's make a short list of differences:

- Ati AA is superior.
- Nvidia AF is superior and/or Ati's AA reduces texture detail and accuracy.

It's been the same since the G80 and I have always conclude that higher (what people call better) AA in Ati cards make them blur some bit the textures and viceversa. That being said the IQ is exactly the same, just a bit different in one way or another. People need to understand for once that IQ is subjective and what for some is better for others is worse, you can't cuantify all the factors and conclude one is better. In fact, IMO Ati renders the image a bit "washed out" and "bland" in comparison with Nvidia, I completely agree with Jeffredo here. Because I suspect that AA is the reason for this, IMO, to the very extreme conditions that one could say Ati's AA is better, I honestly believe Nvidia's AA is better. But as I said, both are quantitatively of the same quality, the difference is so small.

Before we start a flame war, my opinion has nothing to do with the hardware I have (this is true for everyone in the thread BTW). If anything, the hardware I have has to do with my opinion.

Good one;) I have considered this post in a different light than most here. Try to think of this...How much greater would the final benchmarks of ATI's cards be if they lowered their image quality to Nvidias.:cool:

LOL. Maybe I am very wrong on this, but the same calculations are made by both, meaning there'd be no difference at all. The only difference is that Ati in their algorithms weights the pixels in a different manner and use a slightly different position for them, that's all.
 

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Unless one prefers art galleries to cinema halls, level of img quality becomes pointless after a certain level. For example anything beyond 4x AA for 1280x1024 isn't going to make it look "ZOMG better" instead it's going to hit frame rate. Focus on the gameplay, not how pretty your enemy looks.
 
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I really don't think one has a better IQ over the other.

I think each one performs a little more than the other depending on the game.
From what I have seen they are usually little things which you would never notice unless you nitpick.
 

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OK, firstly, read the links I post below. I post them not to fanboy it up, but more to educate. AA in ATIs current solutions are superior, if you simply go by a "apples to apples" comparison. This link http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49008&page=15 was partly influenced by this link http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=869. When the folks a B3D saw that at madshrimps, they responded. These are both reputable sites, and for learning about gfx, theres hardly a better place to go than B3D, as seen by the last line in the MadShrimps conclusion, which added the B3D info. Essentually, whats being said in these links is that yes, if you lower the ATI settings, youll get the same IQ that nVidia does, thus creating less stress on the ATI cards, and more fps. Keep that in mind when you view reviews
 
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