AMD's plan to overcome Conroe

[POGE]

With Conroe crushing all current AMD processors in benchmarks, it isn't looking good for AMD. But AMD may have a few tricks left up their sleeves. They may release an uberclocked FX chip and/or a Quad core AM2 processor. The FX chip would be a cherry picked dual core. Personally, I'm guessing that it would be clocked at around 3.2Ghz, if AMD wants to put up a real fight. AMD's other option is to go quad core. There are a few issues with this, and there a few ways AMD could attempt to manage them. AMD's obvious option will be to simply slap two dual core processors on one die, and have one slave off of the other. AMD's second option will be to run each dual core half on its own HT connection, basically a dual processor system with one processor socket. This would theoretically better, but latency issues could be an issue.

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[NamesDontMatter]

we shall see, I doubt it will work, even with quad core its going to be slower because of the latency/slave issues. Without multithreading I don't see quad core beating dual core for gamers? Unless you like to run virus scan, burn DVDs, and compress media files while playing your favorite game . . . I don't know many gamers that do that? It's just like NVIDIAs Quad SLI . . . it's practically useless in the eyes of many enthusiasts.

 

[POGE]

AMD is also working on a reverse hyper threading technology that will allow multiple cores to act as one. Thus, multi-threaded code won't be needed to get all the juice of of multiple cores.

 

[NamesDontMatter]

that would be badass , but I'm putting my money on the fact that Intel is working on the same thing.

 

[RickyG512]

why cant they make a real quad core and not 2 dual cores stuck togeather, or dual socket

all we can do is get conroe for the time beeing

i like e6600, cheapest 4MB and $350 or £150. thats cheaper than x2 3800 which is £200

but i have no idea how to overclock an intel, those weird numbers confuse me, amd overclocking is simple, u can even work out how fast your ram will be with a divider in your head

 

[POGE]

It wouldnt be dual socket... that was just a comparison. It will run similar to a dual socket if they choose the second option.

 

[RickyG512]

amd should just make a better and new architechure

 

[b1lk1]

AMD has still not switched to a 65nm process too. Once they do that, they will certainly stomp out the Conroe. As for Conroe price and performance, stop looking at these engineering samples that people have now and wait for the real deal when they are released before forming opinions. Who knows what price/perfromance the retail Conroe will have. Also, the AMD platform is going to be AM2 accross the board so that simplifies everything for future AM2 CPU's. This whole arguement about AM2 VS Conroe is just off base. Intel is sure to be performance king this summer. By winter time, AMD will have their answer. Anyone foolish enough to jump ship now deserves to buy expensive new tech that may have issues. Don't forget that Intel boards are expensive and require DDR2 ram as well. Keeping your current rigs and waiting 6 months to see AMD's real answer is the smartest move anyone can make.

 

[v-zero]

AMD is also working on a reverse hyper threading technology that will allow multiple cores to act as one. Thus, multi-threaded code won't be needed to get all the juice of of multiple cores.

Not reverse, inverse. It doesn't take one "Real" core and one "Fake" core and turn them into a single core... lol. It just streams data to both cores, as if to one, and then collects it - making sense of all the data is the tricky part, and is one of the reasons that Sony's Cell chip is so limited to what it can be applied to...

 

[v-zero]

AMD has still not switched to a 65nm process too. Once they do that, they will certainly stomp out the Conroe.

Inevitabley there is a little FanBoy in all of us... Please do your best to get rid of such remarks when you next deffocate - they are neither correct, nor fitting with the rest of your self-contradicting piece...


[Sorry fot the double post, yes I'm a jackass.... whatever]

amd should just make a better and new architechure

How, Magic beans?

 

[NamesDontMatter]

AMD has still not switched to a 65nm process too. Once they do that, they will certainly stomp out the Conroe. As for Conroe price and performance, stop looking at these engineering samples that people have now and wait for the real deal when they are released before forming opinions. Who knows what price/perfromance the retail Conroe will have. Also, the AMD platform is going to be AM2 accross the board so that simplifies everything for future AM2 CPU's. This whole arguement about AM2 VS Conroe is just off base. Intel is sure to be performance king this summer. By winter time, AMD will have their answer. Anyone foolish enough to jump ship now deserves to buy expensive new tech that may have issues. Don't forget that Intel boards are expensive and require DDR2 ram as well. Keeping your current rigs and waiting 6 months to see AMD's real answer is the smartest move anyone can make.

V-Zero

I agree with v-zero how can you say say don't look at conroes engineering samples when you say 65 nm AMD will rock it? 65 nm AMD is a long way down the road at least intel has something solid for us to see.

AMDs FX has been beaten by the cheaper more affordable INTEL Conroe, get used to it. Who said going INTEL is jumping ship? I guess I was never onboard then. Also Conroe is not "expensive new technology" it is much cheaper and more powerful then any current AMD solutions, what they call better "bang for the buck."

Your right though AM2 vs Conroe is off base because AM2 is esentially Last gen, conroe is Next gen. " Don't forget that Intel boards are expensive and require DDR2 ram as well." . . . Intel boards cost about the same as AMD . . . and DDR2 costs the same if not cheaper then DDR, AM2 is DDR2 aswell just to let you know AND it requires a new motherboard so I don't understand your point.

Don't chose a side unless you have solid reasoning. All the things you mentioned are just not true.

P.S. I INTEL + AMD

 

[wazzledoozle]

I dont really care what brand it is, if it gets me the most bang for the buck. I have a feeling by the end of summer I will be in possession of a Core Duo 2 laptop.

 

[CjStaal]

AMD has still not switched to a 65nm process too. Once they do that, they will certainly stomp out the Conroe. As for Conroe price and performance, stop looking at these engineering samples that people have now and wait for the real deal when they are released before forming opinions. Who knows what price/perfromance the retail Conroe will have. Also, the AMD platform is going to be AM2 accross the board so that simplifies everything for future AM2 CPU's. This whole arguement about AM2 VS Conroe is just off base. Intel is sure to be performance king this summer. By winter time, AMD will have their answer. Anyone foolish enough to jump ship now deserves to buy expensive new tech that may have issues. Don't forget that Intel boards are expensive and require DDR2 ram as well. Keeping your current rigs and waiting 6 months to see AMD's real answer is the smartest move anyone can make.

Such a naive fanboy.

 

[emd]

AMD has still not switched to a 65nm process too. Once they do that, they will certainly stomp out the Conroe. As for Conroe price and performance, stop looking at these engineering samples that people have now and wait for the real deal when they are released before forming opinions. Who knows what price/perfromance the retail Conroe will have. Also, the AMD platform is going to be AM2 accross the board so that simplifies everything for future AM2 CPU's. This whole arguement about AM2 VS Conroe is just off base. Intel is sure to be performance king this summer. By winter time, AMD will have their answer. Anyone foolish enough to jump ship now deserves to buy expensive new tech that may have issues. Don't forget that Intel boards are expensive and require DDR2 ram as well. Keeping your current rigs and waiting 6 months to see AMD's real answer is the smartest move anyone can make.

I better wait for a complete revision and afterall the store prices, I guess I will change my athlon xp-m 2600+ for a socket 939 system when the price slash comes

 

[xylomn]

I agree brand shouldn't matter, whats important is which is the best value for money. If I'm completely honest I was a little bit of an amd fanboy, but until recently that has been in some respecs for good reason as the amd processors stomped all over intel's. However with seeing what these conroe processors can do I'm seriously considering moving to intel, especially beacse of the very nice predicted prices. I'm looking forward to seeing the prices on realease day and am considering the e6600 at £150 (hopefully). But we'll see I think this release from intel is going to be good in general for us. Hopefully will bring down the prices of good performance processors in general from the rediculous prices some of them are atm.

 

[RickyG512]

its so funny that the e6600 which is £150 beats an FX-62 which is £700

 

[ryboto]

personally, I enjoy the competition, it should drive the price/performance/watt and give the consumer better products. I just don't understand all of the people who devote themselves to a brand. I must admit, I'd rather root for the underdog, but, just because intel finally caught up/surpassed amd's product doesn't mean AMD is going to be extinct. Besides, they held the peformance crown for a very long time. as for myself, I don't have any reason to burn my money this summer. I'm waiting for the R600 to build my next system.

 

[emd]

personally, I enjoy the competition, it should drive the price/performance/watt and give the consumer better products. I just don't understand all of the people who devote themselves to a brand. I must admit, I'd rather root for the underdog, but, just because intel finally caught up/surpassed amd's product doesn't mean AMD is going to be extinct. Besides, they held the peformance crown for a very long time. as for myself, I don't have any reason to burn my money this summer. I'm waiting for the R600 to build my next system.

Does this r600 supports direct 10x? I`m kind of curious about these new gpu cards and I don`t know exactly how it works or the differences with actual (direct 9x) cards