GTX 260+q6600 bottleneck?

[a_ump]

bummer, well something just came up and i'm going to cut my budget to 150 or so thinking 9800GTX+ or HD 4850, only problem is all the reviews online are from when the HD 4850 first came out, has there been much optimization in drivers on the HD 4850 to push it's performance past the 9800GTX+?

 

[spearman914]

bummer, well something just came up and i'm going to cut my budget to 150 or so thinking 9800GTX+ or HD 4850, only problem is all the reviews online are from when the HD 4850 first came out, has there been much optimization in drivers on the HD 4850 to push it's performance past the 9800GTX+?

The 8.12 drivers increased framerate by a lot.

 

[Prash]

bummer, well something just came up and i'm going to cut my budget to 150 or so thinking 9800GTX+ or HD 4850, only problem is all the reviews online are from when the HD 4850 first came out, has there been much optimization in drivers on the HD 4850 to push it's performance past the 9800GTX+?

Yup, in almost all games. Go for the 4850 itself.
Take a look at the numbers yourself here, http://firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_radeon_4850_x2_review/default.asp

 

[a_ump]

thx, and i have my eye on an HD 4850 1GB from asus with better cooling and a 2000mhz mem clock. the 1gb doesn't always do better but for 10 bucks more why not, and it will help with AA and whatnot. thx again guys

 

[raptori]

I've read 2 reviews yesterday in most of games GTX260 is a winner over the 4870 with a small margin especially if they are modern games also 4870 need a hotfix driver more than GTX260 for new games so stay with your Q6600 even @ 3.0GHz +GTX260=beating every game and giving you a future proof and don't forget you can push your Q6600 to 3.6GHz in future if you need ..... and about the mobo sure P45 will give a very good field for overclock .... take GIGABYTE OR ASUS mobo they're best of the best I'd give the priority for the GTX260 then the mobo.

 

[phanbuey]

one 260 will not be bottlenecked by a q6600 at all...

 

[a_ump]

yea thx guys, whether i can get a GTX 260 or not is still up in the air just gotta see where money is needed before i buy the wants, if not then i'm getting an HD 4850 1GB. But yea, i'm going to get one or the other, hopefully GTX and then the gigabyte P45 US3R mobo when cash allows it. thx

 

[boredgunner]

I'd recommend a 9800GTX+ over the HD 4850 for several reasons. The 9800GTX+ performs better in most benchmarks, it uses less power, remains cooler, and you have a good NVIDIA motherboard so CrossFireX won't work on it. I don't see why you'd upgrade your MOBO unless you have SLI or i7 plans. EVGA has a 1 GB 9800GTX+ on newegg. As for the original question, a Q6600 at stock speeds will bottleneck even a 9800GTX+.

 

[Hayder_Master]

no bottlenick when q6600 run on 3.0ghz or more , i see bootlenick with my 4870 on 2.4ghz , when 3.0ghz work fine

 

[Solaris17]

I have an Asus Striker, P45, q6600, e8600, 4870 and 280gtx. In all possible combinations i tried i came to the following conclusion.

The E8600 + 280GTX in P45 was the winner, followed by the 4870. The E8600 had no issues reaching 5Ghz+ from 3.33.

The Q6600 + 280GTX in P45 fell behind in game testing due to the lower clock speeds of the CPU. Followed by the Q6600 + 4870 in P45 which had the same issue. The Q6600 had no issues reaching 3.6Ghz+ from 2.4.

The 680 Striker held back the Q6600, inturn giving lower results.

I recommend you stick with the Q6600 because its a damn fine CPU, even thou most games dont utilize more then a single core. Upgrade the motherboard so that you are able to reach your CPU, ram and gfx limits where possible ( Do you have a G0 stepping Q6600 ?) in combination with the 4870 as soon as they drop the price (AMD/ATi said they will, i forgot where i was reading that.) You will find the 4870 a greater value for money with great performance compared to the 280GTX. Especially if your only playing counterstrike.

what voltage were you using on your Q6600 to get 3.6? my ES chip wont do it stabaly but i havent tweaked the rest of the board much yet so thats probably it but im running at about 1.47 at 3.2Ghz atm..

 

[Solaris17]

sorry i killed the thread

 

[CDdude55]

A OCed Q6600 and a GTX 260 should run fine.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

I have an Xigmatek S1284 Heatsink for my CPU, and its greak. I suggest you lap your heatsink first, because my heat sink was slightly rough on the bottom.

 

[trt740]

well xmas is coming near and my gdad always gives me 300 bucks and i already got 100 from my foster parents, and i want to upgrade my computer. i was looking at the XFX GTX 260 Black Edition which is faster than a stock GTX 280, but if i get that i wouldn't be able to get a P45, i only want to spend ~325 max since i support my css clan's scrim server($65). Now my question is will my q6600 @3ghz bottleneck the GTX 260 at 1680x1050?, or would you guys recommend just going with an HD 4870 and a Gigabyte P45 UD3R to improve my cpu oc and eliminate any bottleneck i'd get. open to other suggestions as well, not going i7 or waiting for phenom 2

to answer that question no.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

what voltage were you using on your Q6600 to get 3.6? my ES chip wont do it stabaly but i havent tweaked the rest of the board much yet so thats probably it but im running at about 1.47 at 3.2Ghz atm..

I got to 3.6GHz on my Q6600, and you need a good amount of voltage on the NB, as well. (8x450) I was running about (i think 1.35v check DFI on the right) on my Q6600. DFI Standards it was a 1.25v with a VID of +187m. However if your Q6600 is a higher VID they your max will be about 3.4GHz. The chips were fixed by intel because many people report issues getting past 3.4GHz with decent voltage. And so when my Q6600 went i went with an Xeon X3220, which is basically a hand picked Q6600.

 

[a_ump]

sorry i killed the thread

Thanks...dick jk

and thx guys for all the posts.

 

[insider]

I got to 3.6GHz on my Q6600, and you need a good amount of voltage on the NB, as well. (8x450) I was running about (i think 1.35v check DFI on the right) on my Q6600. DFI Standards it was a 1.25v with a VID of +187m. However if your Q6600 is a higher VID they your max will be about 3.4GHz. The chips were fixed by intel because many people report issues getting past 3.4GHz with decent voltage. And so when my Q6600 went i went with an Xeon X3220, which is basically a hand picked Q6600.

The above report is verified correct by many owners of the later Q6600 batches, Intel did something in the manufacturing process that deliberately downgraded the quality of the die of the later Q6600 batches, 4GHz on good air cooling was possible with the earlier G0 batches at very low vcore, the Q6600 chips now could barely reach 3.6GHz without high volts and liquid cooling.

My Q6600 tops out at a sucky 3.4GHz with 1.4v, the temps also rocket right to 80C under full load running Intel Burn Test...

 

[a_ump]

The above report is verified correct by many owners of the later Q6600 batches, Intel did something on the manufacturing process that downgraded the quality of the die of the later Q6600 batches, 4GHz on good air cooling was possible with the earlier G0 batches at very low vcore, the Q6600 chips now could barely reach 3.6GHz without high volts and liquid cooling.

My Q6600 tops out at a sucky 3.4GHz with 1.4v, the temps also rocket right to 80C under full load running Intel Burn Test...

i agree, i got mine last jan around the 25th or so, though i won't know if it is my chip or mobo htat holds me back, i'm thinking the northbridge just can't take the strain or something for a higher FSB.

 

[ShadowFold]

The bracket is so much easier! Do it!

 

[cisco kidd]

I have a P182 case w a Xeon 3220 B3 currently running 8x400 for 3.2 @ 1.29~v in windows, it is paired to 2x2gb Crucial Ballistix epp PC8000 and a GTX 260, the system I am guessing will play anything I throw at it I just have not had lots of time to game it up, but have started Far Cry 2. I ran prime for 10hrs, 2 cores reached a max of 77-78 and the other 2 hit max of 70-72 I have not played around with anyting more but I am sure I can get 3.4 for 24/7

I also have a GSkill GBPK PC 6400 2x2GB 4,4,4,12 kit that will run in system as well just trying to figure which is the better 4 gb kit. I am on air using a Scythe Ninja 2 - 6 Heat Pipe CPU Cooler with "Slip Stream" 120mm Fan

Previous I had a x3210 which hit 3.4 , sold it off downgraded to AMD X2 5000 BE then quad 9500 and ran both for while till I realized I made a mistake and should have kept the G0 3210.....

I have not clocked the gtx 260 it is running stock and I have yet to benchmark system as I have it 100% stable now then will push a tad more

 

[pepsi71ocean]

The above report is verified correct by many owners of the later Q6600 batches, Intel did something in the manufacturing process that deliberately downgraded the quality of the die of the later Q6600 batches, 4GHz on good air cooling was possible with the earlier G0 batches at very low vcore, the Q6600 chips now could barely reach 3.6GHz without high volts and liquid cooling.

My Q6600 tops out at a sucky 3.4GHz with 1.4v, the temps also rocket right to 80C under full load running Intel Burn Test...

thats hot, even by my standards, did you lap that puppy? and what are you using for cooling? its this very reason i went with a X3220 over a new Q6600.

i agree, i got mine last jan around the 25th or so, though i won't know if it is my chip or mobo htat holds me back, i'm thinking the northbridge just can't take the strain or something for a higher FSB.

it could very well be, Coretemp i think can tell you your VID, mine was like 1.33 or something.

I have a P182 case w a Xeon 3220 B3 currently running 8x400 for 3.2 @ 1.29~v in windows, it is paired to 2x2gb Crucial Ballistix epp PC8000 and a GTX 260, the system I am guessing will play anything I throw at it I just have not had lots of time to game it up, but have started Far Cry 2. I ran prime for 10hrs, 2 cores reached a max of 77-78 and the other 2 hit max of 70-72 I have not played around with anyting more but I am sure I can get 3.4 for 24/7

I also have a GSkill GBPK PC 6400 2x2GB 4,4,4,12 kit that will run in system as well just trying to figure which is the better 4 gb kit. I am on air using a Scythe Ninja 2 - 6 Heat Pipe CPU Cooler with "Slip Stream" 120mm Fan

Previous I had a x3210 which hit 3.4 , sold it off downgraded to AMD X2 5000 BE then quad 9500 and ran both for while till I realized I made a mistake and should have kept the G0 3210.....

I have not clocked the gtx 260 it is running stock and I have yet to benchmark system as I have it 100% stable now then will push a tad more

i would get some decent aftermarket cooling first. 70c under load is the most i would ever consider pushing an intel chip, even though they have been know to throttle down to prevent damage. i would say the most you should push a Quad core for 24/7 usage would be 58-65c the highest core shouldn't exceed that. I find it promoted longevity. the number one killer of a chip is heat not voltage, well the newer 45nm's fall into the voltage catigory as well from what i hear. Voltage wise your doing good.Under full load im reporting 1.26v for cpu voltage.

 

[cisco kidd]

I am not too worried about the load temps I saw as I question how accurate core temp is anyways within windows, any other progs that one can recommend. The heatsink I am using is second to the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme in tests/reviews I have found , you really are not gonna do much better. Prior I was using a CoolIT Freezone CPU Tec cooler but I thnk the pump was on its way out

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/scythe_ninja2/4.htm

Check out the reviews, in addition there are also 3 additional case fans in my P182 , cooling is more than adequate. Personally I think people worry way too much about temps over 70 under load because in most 24/7 usage the chip is never 100 percent under load for 10-15 hours like it is when one runs intel test burn or orthos. Thanks for the tips though and I will look into it a bit more to find best prog to show what real max load temps are plus my Artic Ceramique should settle in closer to the 75-100 mark and a further drop should take place as it has only been on the chip for a little over the 10 hrs I tested

 

[Bigjohn]

Real temp. That's the one I use. The guy did extensive testing and calibration when the 45nm C2d's came out...

 

[insider]

thats hot, even by my standards, did you lap that puppy? and what are you using for cooling? its this very reason i went with a X3220 over a new Q6600.

Unlapped cooled with a Thermalright Ultima 90i with dual 120mm 75CFM fans in push/pull setup, it reaches as high as 85C~ when running the Intel Burn Test.

 

[cisco kidd]

Well I ran Real Temp prog vs Core temp and I see a big diff on my DFI P35 T2RS, all of a sudden after 6 hrs Orthos/prime 25.7 I am seeing max load temps rangin from 58-67 dependent on the core

I plan to run a new bios shortly as I am on 0818 and then see what happens when I push for 3.4-3.5 over the 3.2 I am also sure I can drp vcore to 1.27 over the 1.29 I am running current