NVIDIA Designs New GTX 260 PCB, Further Reduces Manufacturing Costs

DarkMatter · Feb 8, 2009

EarlZ said:
The op does say $15

I meant that $15 is a lot actually. Keep in mind that a good chunk of the retail price is for the retailer and I mean 25% or more. Another good chunk is for the vendor, but I can't estimate how much, because I never worked for one. You have to extract the price of the packaging and bundles... In the end the manufacturing cost of a PCB can't exceed $50 too much. In this case we could be talking about $65 to $50 reduction, which is a lot.

Hayder_Master · Feb 8, 2009

the gtx 260 it is best chose for nvidia and if it become more cheap it will be stranded chose like 8800gt,gts before

Mussels · Feb 8, 2009

hayder.master said:
the gtx 260 it is best chose for nvidia and if it become more cheap it will be stranded chose like 8800gt,gts before

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

see video card description.

almost 12% of steam users (which is a hell of a lot of people) have the 8800 series cards. Its the most popular card overall, and almost 23% of people running DX10 hardware are doing so on an 8800 series card.

DarkMatter · Feb 8, 2009

Mussels said:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

see video card description.

almost 12% of steam users (which is a hell of a lot of people) have the 8800 series cards. Its the most popular card overall, and almost 23% of people running DX10 hardware are doing so on an 8800 series card.

Wow! Successful chip this G92. If you add 9800 results it's 15.6% and almost 30% respectively, which is very impressive indeed. 1 out 3 DX10 cards are G92. :rockout:

iamverysmart · Feb 8, 2009

btarunr said:
^Length.

I don't understand, why the hell would nvidia reduce the height of the card. Unless they are after a low profile card they would make the height shorter but shrinking it 1.5cm does nothing except probably makes the card unbalanced.

I'm pretty sure expreview just made a mistake during the translation.

Mussels · Feb 8, 2009

iamverysmart said:
I don't understand, why the hell would nvidia reduce the height of the card. Unless they are after a low profile card they would make the height shorter but shrinking it 1.5cm does nothing except probably makes the card unbalanced.

I'm pretty sure expreview just made a mistake during the translation.

making it smaller in any dimension makes it cheaper to produce. thats all there is to it.

DaedalusHelios · Feb 8, 2009

iamverysmart said:
I don't understand, why the hell would nvidia reduce the height of the card. Unless they are after a low profile card they would make the height shorter but shrinking it 1.5cm does nothing except probably makes the card unbalanced.

I'm pretty sure expreview just made a mistake during the translation.

Makes the card unbalanced??? Are you going to use it as a graphics card or a door stop?

btarunr · Feb 8, 2009

iamverysmart said:
I don't understand, why the hell would nvidia reduce the height of the card. Unless they are after a low profile card they would make the height shorter but shrinking it 1.5cm does nothing except probably makes the card unbalanced.

I'm pretty sure expreview just made a mistake during the translation.

Both Expreview En and Cn websites stated the figure at 1.5 cm (~0.6"), which is too much height to lose, from what the pictures show. It can't be 1.5 mm (eradicating a typo) either, as that would be too less a height to lose. They basically shed the extra height the first iteration of the GTX 260 55nm PCB had, near the VRM area. So the figure isn't 1.5 cm, but is a significant amount nonetheless.

Mussels · Feb 8, 2009

it could be 1.5"

that'd be around 3-4CM

Valdez · Feb 8, 2009

DarkMatter said:
Wow! Successful chip this G92. If you add 9800 results it's 15.6% and almost 30% respectively, which is very impressive indeed. 1 out 3 DX10 cards are G92.

I don't think it's a good thing. G92 is not a good chip for dx10.

DaedalusHelios · Feb 8, 2009

Valdez said:
I don't think it's a good thing. G92 is not a good chip for dx10.

LOL The G92 is as good or better than the 3870 you have. Unless you don't think its good for DX 10 either.

Laurijan · Feb 8, 2009

I hope some manufactures are staying with the old disign to allow customers better OC abilities.. the 1 phase design probably makes OCing more difficult..

Mussels · Feb 8, 2009

Valdez said:
I don't think it's a good thing. G92 is not a good chip for dx10.

i certainly have no problems with my G92 card in DX10. It had a lot less issues when it was launched than the ATI 3xx0 series cards did, with DX10 compatibility.

at least my card does AA properly.

Valdez · Feb 8, 2009

DaedalusHelios said:
LOL The G92 is as good or better than the 3870 you have. Unless you don't think its good for DX 10 either.

r600 is better for dx10. But we will see when the first dx10 app comes out.

Valdez · Feb 8, 2009

Mussels said:
i certainly have no problems with my G92 card in DX10. It had a lot less issues when it was launched than the ATI 3xx0 series cards did, with DX10 compatibility.

at least my card does AA properly.

There are no native dx10 games on the market as i know.

Laurijan · Feb 8, 2009

Valdez said:
There are no native dx10 games on the market as i know.

Whats with Crysis?

Valdez · Feb 8, 2009

Laurijan said:
Whats with Crysis?

DaedalusHelios · Feb 8, 2009

You get extra effects with directX 10 effects enabled in most modern games now.

Its a good feature set to support well.

Unless thats removed from the hungarian versions for some reason.

btarunr · Feb 8, 2009

Return to topic.

Nitro-Max · Feb 8, 2009

This is not good ok they might be able to offer them to us cheaper which is good but who wants cheaply made hardware id rather pay that bit more for quality tbh.

a thinner pcb means more chance of flexing and damage .

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Feb 8, 2009

You get extra effects with directX 10 effects enabled in most modern games now.

DX10 is a joke. Basically just wrapped the existing dx9 api and added few, non-groundbreaking, stuff. Nothing compared to what dx8 vs dx9 showed. Clearly it was just a filler api built to lure gamers into Vista. It has been like 3 years already and still performance is a joke. DX9 was just out for a few months and we saw a leap.

In anycase, Galaxy uses this new design on the first gen GTX260.. really cuts the price off.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Feb 9, 2009

iamverysmart said:
Why not just call it length.

Im not even going to say it...

Mussels · Feb 9, 2009

lets end discussions of DX9 vs DX10. keep it about these cards... anyone seen retail prices for these yet?

DarkMatter · Feb 9, 2009

Valdez said:
I don't think it's a good thing. G92 is not a good chip for dx10.

I would like to see proofs of that. :laugh:

If there's no DX10 apps, how do you know if it's good o not? :roll:

Valdez said:
r600 is better for dx10. But we will see when the first dx10 app comes out.

3Dmark Vantage IS DX10, Unigine, FarCry 2, Crysis Warhead (let's say Crysis was not, this one IS) and many other games and apps are DX10. G92 does just well on those apps, much better than the R600/RV670 in most cases, so nice try.

Kursah · Feb 9, 2009

Valdez said:
There are no native dx10 games on the market as i know.

Not enough DX10 users out there to justify the risk of a DX10 only game at this point in time, would be a bad move for profits.

But with cards as powerful as the 4870's and GTX260's dropping in price, these could very well end up being next-gen mid-range cards that could make DX10+ performance better in games and maybe start to justify the costs of DX10 only games. Sure I would like to see it, but I also like the fact that you can do DX9 too if you don't have the hardware or performance capabilites for 10. And if the AMD/ATI and NV units I mentioned earlier were to become a midrange GTS350 and HD5430 or whatever have you, at an easier price point, bang for the buck would be there. Pretty much a pipe dream at this point, but the prices these cards are at now for this generation is pretty sweet. I'm curious to see how this card does, I have a feeling it will do quite well overall, there will be some that don't care if it's got less power phases or can't support voltage change via hardware, when it flat out runs like a champ. The 260 is no slouch at stock.

:toast:

Processor	Intel C2Q Q6600 @ Stock (for now)
Motherboard	Asus P5Q-E
Cooling	Proc: Scythe Mine, Graphics: Zalman VF900 Cu
Memory	4 GB (2x2GB) DDR2 Corsair Dominator 1066Mhz 5-5-5-15
Video Card(s)	GigaByte 8800GT Stock Clocks: 700Mhz Core, 1700 Shader, 1940 Memory
Storage	74 GB WD Raptor 10000rpm, 2x250 GB Seagate Raid 0
Display(s)	HP p1130, 21" Trinitron
Case	Antec p180
Audio Device(s)	Creative X-Fi PLatinum
Power Supply	700W FSP Group 85% Efficiency
Software	Windows XP

System Name	MASTER
Processor	Core i7 3930k run at 4.4ghz
Motherboard	Asus Rampage IV extreme
Cooling	Corsair H100i
Memory	4x4G kingston hyperx beast 2400mhz
Video Card(s)	2X EVGA GTX680
Storage	2X Crusial M4 256g raid0, 1TbWD g, 2x500 WD B
Display(s)	Samsung 27' 1080P LED 3D monitior 2ms
Case	CoolerMaster Chosmos II
Audio Device(s)	Creative sound blaster X-FI Titanum champion,Creative speakers 7.1 T7900
Power Supply	Corsair 1200i, Logitch G500 Mouse, headset Corsair vengeance 1500
Software	Win7 64bit Ultimate
Benchmark Scores	3d mark 2011: testing

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

Processor	Intel C2Q Q6600 @ Stock (for now)
Motherboard	Asus P5Q-E
Cooling	Proc: Scythe Mine, Graphics: Zalman VF900 Cu
Memory	4 GB (2x2GB) DDR2 Corsair Dominator 1066Mhz 5-5-5-15
Video Card(s)	GigaByte 8800GT Stock Clocks: 700Mhz Core, 1700 Shader, 1940 Memory
Storage	74 GB WD Raptor 10000rpm, 2x250 GB Seagate Raid 0
Display(s)	HP p1130, 21" Trinitron
Case	Antec p180
Audio Device(s)	Creative X-Fi PLatinum
Power Supply	700W FSP Group 85% Efficiency
Software	Windows XP

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

NVIDIA Designs New GTX 260 PCB, Further Reduces Manufacturing Costs

DarkMatter

New Member

Hayder_Master

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

DarkMatter

New Member

iamverysmart

New Member

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

DaedalusHelios

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

Valdez

DaedalusHelios

Laurijan

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

Valdez

Valdez

Laurijan

Valdez

DaedalusHelios

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

Nitro-Max

Bjorn_Of_Iceland

CrAsHnBuRnXp

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

DarkMatter

New Member

Kursah

Super Moderator

System Name	Cosmos F1000
Processor	i9-9900k
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z370XP SLI, BIOS 15a
Cooling	Corsair H100i, Panaflo's on case
Memory	XPG GAMMIX D30 2x16GB DDR4 3200 CL16
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 2080 ti
Storage	1TB 960 Pro, 2TB Samsung 850 Pro, 4TB WD Hard Drive
Display(s)	ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q 27"
Case	CM Cosmos 1000
Audio Device(s)	logitech 5.1 system (midrange quality)
Power Supply	CORSAIR HXi HX1000i 1000watt
Mouse	G400s Logitech
Keyboard	K65 RGB Corsair Tenkeyless Cherry Red MX
Software	Win10 Pro, Win7 x64 Professional

System Name	RBMK-1000
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard	ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling	DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory	2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s)	Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage	Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s)	BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case	Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s)	ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply	Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse	ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard	Gamdias Hermes E2
Software	Windows 11 Pro

Processor	AMD Phenom II X4 955BE
Motherboard	Asus M4A785TD-V Evo
Cooling	Xigmatek HDT S1283
Memory	4GB Kingston Hyperx DDR3
Video Card(s)	GigaByte Radeon HD3870 512MB GDDR4
Storage	WD Caviar Black 640GB, Hitachi Deskstar T7K250 250GB
Display(s)	Samsung SyncMaster F2380M
Audio Device(s)	Creative Audigy ES 5.1
Power Supply	Corsair VX550
Software	Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64

System Name	Enslaver :)
Processor	Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	ASUS TUF Gaming B650-Plus
Cooling	CPU: Noctua NH-D14 with LED fans, Case: 2 front in - 1 rear out
Memory	2x16GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB 6000MHz
Video Card(s)	ASUS TUF RTX 4070Ti OC
Storage	Samsung Evo Plus 1TB NVMe , internal WD Red 4TB for storage, WD Book 8TB
Display(s)	LG CX OLED 65"
Case	Lian Li LANCOOL II Mesh C Performance
Audio Device(s)	HDMI audio powering Dolby Digital audio on 5.1 Z960 speaker system
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x
Mouse	Logitech G700
Keyboard	ASUS Strix Tactic Pro
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64

System Name	Hells Core.
Processor	Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard	Asus Crosshair hero viii (wifi) x570
Cooling	AlphaCool Aurora 420mm
Memory	Patriot Viper Gaming RGB Series DDR4 DRAM 4133MHz 32GB Kit
Video Card(s)	MSI Gaming X Trio 3070
Storage	Sabrent 1TB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0 M.2
Display(s)	Acer Predator XB271HU
Case	Thermaltake Core X71
Power Supply	Corsair RM850 80 plus gold
Software	Windows 10

System Name	Thakk
Processor	i7 6700k @ 4.5Ghz
Motherboard	Gigabyte G1 Z170N ITX
Cooling	H55 AIO
Memory	32GB DDR4 3100 c16
Video Card(s)	Zotac RTX3080 Trinity
Storage	Corsair Force GT 120GB SSD / Intel 250GB SSD / Samsung Pro 512 SSD / 3TB Seagate SV32
Display(s)	Acer Predator X34 100hz IPS Gsync / HTC Vive
Case	QBX
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC1150 > Creative Gigaworks T40 > AKG Q701
Power Supply	Corsair SF600
Mouse	Logitech G900
Keyboard	Ducky Shine TKL MX Blue + Vortex PBT Doubleshots
Software	Windows 10 64bit
Benchmark Scores	http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12108888

Processor	Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan
Motherboard	Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code
Cooling	6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC
Storage	Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5
Display(s)	Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K
Case	Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s)	Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB
Power Supply	Corsair HX850w Platinum Series
Mouse	Logitech G604s
Keyboard	Corsair K70 Rapidfire
Software	Windows 11 x64 Professional
Benchmark Scores	Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670

System Name	Kursah's Gaming Rig 2018 (2022 Upgrade) - Ryzen+ Edition \| Gaming Laptop (Lenovo Legion 5i Pro 2022)
Processor	R7 5800X @ Stock \| i7 12700H @ Stock
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming BIOS 6203\| Legion 5i Pro NM-E231
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S Push-Pull + NT-H1 \| Stock Cooling
Memory	TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32GB (2x16) DDR4 4000 @ 3600 18-20-20-42 1.35v \| 32GB DDR5 4800 (2x16)
Video Card(s)	Palit GeForce RTX 4070 JetStream 12GB \| CPU-based Intel Iris XE + RTX 3070 8GB 150W
Storage	4TB SP UD90 NVME, 960GB SATA SSD, 2TB HDD \| 1TB Samsung OEM NVME SSD + 4TB Crucial P3 Plus NVME SSD
Display(s)	Acer 28" 4K VG280K x2 \| 16" 2560x1600 built-in
Case	Corsair 600C - Stock Fans on Low \| Stock Metal/Plastic
Audio Device(s)	Aune T1 mk1 > AKG K553 Pro + JVC HA-RX 700 (Equalizer APO + PeaceUI) \| Bluetooth Earbuds (BX29)
Power Supply	EVGA 750G2 Modular + APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 \| 300W OEM (heavy use) or Lenovo Legion C135W GAN (light)
Mouse	Logitech G502 \| Logitech M330
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Core RGB \| Built in Keyboard (Lenovo laptop KB FTW)
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64 \| Windows 11 Home x64