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I cant play crysis warhead due to the install limit - so people arent allowed to reformat harddrives / invest in new motherboards? So what did I do? Downloaded a cracked .exe. OMGOSH! The world cries about it. But, no, they shouldnt, because I purchased the game legally, I have the disc, I have the activation code, its just because pathetic "Anti piracy" systems decide you install a game "x" number of times and thats your limit - Im sorry but if I buy a game, its mine and I own control over it, and I should be able to install it however many damn times I want.


I agree with you 100%. I also feel the same with operating systems too. Once I buy a computer with windows installed on it, why do I have to buy another copy of windows for my next PC? As long as I'm only using one PC at a time (ie the old PC is no longer in use) why do I have to pay again for an operating system I've already paid for?
 
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You do have free usage. However you also agreed to the EULA when you installed it the first time.

Again you keep for some reason going back to the law when really the law is in this case impractical. Stipulations should not be so numerous they would require you longer to read than to play the game. 3 simple bullet points ought to cover it, and it should be the law.
 

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And do you honestly sit and read page after page of size 8 font? Of course you don't, you click accept and get into your game.

/unsubscribed, im fed up already haha.

So I guess its the developers fault you don't like to read. :laugh: Anyway they make it pretty clear about the install limit in most games. And if you happen to miss it you can easily contact the developer and register your game. However I guess being lazy you would be pissed the Pirate Bay is being closed.

FYI I aint saying your lazy.
 

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You do have free usage. However you also agreed to the EULA when you installed it the first time.

The problem comes with the fact that such restrictions are not made clear upon purchase of the item, say you do read the EULA and disagree. You wont be able to get your money back as nearly everywhere refuses returns on games.

And have you ever tried contacting a dev to get the activation limit lifted?
 
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So I guess its the developers fault you don't like to read. :laugh: Anyway they make it pretty clear about the install limit in most games. And if you happen to miss it you can easily contact the developer and register your game. However I guess being lazy you would be pissed the Pirate Bay is being closed.

FYI I aint saying your lazy.

Excuse me? Being lazy means not wanting to sit for around an hour reading page after page of fine print, when the producers of the game could have simply printed a page off in the manual that has roughly 5 bullet points stating what you can / cannot do?

Are you honestly telling me now that you sit and read the terms / agreements of every single game you purchase? Thought not. Stop being a hypocrit.
 

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No I don't read the EULA. However I don't justify theft ether because I don't read the EULA. I simply contact the developer and regester my game. Doing anything else (Going to TPB) is being lazy.

The problem comes with the fact that such restrictions are not made clear upon purchase of the item, say you do read the EULA and disagree. You wont be able to get your money back as nearly everywhere refuses returns on games.

And have you ever tried contacting a dev to get the activation limit lifted?
Yes I have and it was a bitch. However it was the right thing to do.
 
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Did I even say I used TBP for this .exe? Re read, slow down.

You still havent retaliated to my previous question either, are you feeling ill? off the pace a bit?
 
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well tbh, if it wernt for torrent sites then alot of films/bands/games wouldnt be as popular as they are atm and thus would have less sales, ive recomened numerious games films and bands to my friends from me playing.listening.watching them after i downloaded them from torrent sites and my freinds have then gone out and purchased albums/films/games or rented them, and if i do find a game i really love that ive downloaded from a torrent i will usually buy the game full retail after... same with films and some albums...
 

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So what do you do when your activations run out? Just keep spending $50 again and again on a game you already paid for? Or should you just get a cracked exe, which is better anyways because it's one less disc to swap out, and enjoy what you paid for once already?

I always find some way of circumventing the cd protection. Either I find a nocd crack or I make an image of the disc and mount it in alcohol 52%
 

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Did I even say I used TBP for this .exe? Re read, slow down.

You still havent retaliated to my previous question either, are you feeling ill? off the pace a bit?

What is this then?

I cant play crysis warhead due to the install limit - so people arent allowed to reformat harddrives / invest in new motherboards? So what did I do? Downloaded a cracked .exe. OMGOSH! The world cries about it. But, no, they shouldnt, because I purchased the game legally, I have the disc, I have the activation code, its just because pathetic "Anti piracy" systems decide you install a game "x" number of times and thats your limit - Im sorry but if I buy a game, its mine and I own control over it, and I should be able to install it however many damn times I want.

You downloaded a cracked .exe from a TPB like service. You took the lazy way out thus justifying the install limit.

Also where did you ask if I was feeling ill? I don't get it?

So what do you do when your activations run out? Just keep spending $50 again and again on a game you already paid for? Or should you just get a cracked exe, which is better anyways because it's one less disc to swap out, and enjoy what you paid for once already?

I always find some way of circumventing the cd protection. Either I find a nocd crack or I make an image of the disc and mount it in alcohol 52%

Hey Hat. Nice Avy :laugh:

Anyway you never have to buy the game again. Read a few posts up for the legit way to do things. :toast:
 

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IMO, I still see it as boycotting the system, when Devs see that people will pay for DRM free but crack DRM games, I would hope they would see sense.

Like I say, I know source all my Music legally due to the way the music industry has gone DRM free, not locked out wma files, and no more encrypted Audio CDs

Plus like I keep trying to say, TPB isnt all illegal software. Hell most of it is legal other than a tiny file which negates the need for a cd key.
 
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I do have to say if it wasn't for torrents i believe Metal would be a lot bigger than it is now. Torrents can help promote bands though, it does cost money to make cds and distribute them. Torrents circumvent this.
 
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No I don't read the EULA. However I don't justify theft ether because I don't read the EULA. I simply contact the developer and regester my game. Doing anything else (Going to TPB) is being lazy.

I didnt say I had used TPB, neither did I suggest it was a similar service. Did I even mention TPB in that paragraph? no. Slow down man, your going so fast your tripping over your own feet.

I asked, no I guaranteed that your not the "Anti torrent saint" that you seem to be making out - be 100% brutally honest with us here - have you ever downloaded software, music, whatever, illegally?
 

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IMO, I still see it as boycotting the system, when Devs see that people will pay for DRM free but crack DRM games, I would hope they would see sense.

Like I say, I know source all my Music legally due to the way the music industry has gone DRM free, not locked out wma files, and no more encrypted Audio CDs

Plus like I keep trying to say, TPB isn't all illegal software. Hell most of it is legal other than a tiny file which negates the need for a cd key.

You call it boycotting and I call it justifying their fears and breaking the law. The bottom line is there is all this static about installation limits because of piracy. Will it stop piracy? No. But stealing in protest does nothing but put more limits on legit users.

I didnt say I had used TPB, neither did I suggest it was a similar service. Did I even mention TPB in that paragraph? no. Slow down man, your going so fast your tripping over your own feet.

I asked, no I guaranteed that your not the "Anti torrent saint" that you seem to be making out - be 100% brutally honest with us here - have you ever downloaded software, music, whatever, illegally?

I don't think you are reading all my posts all the way. I already answered your question about me pirating things. Also you said you DL a cracked .exe. Weather you downloaded off of TPB or somewhere else is a null point.
 
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Will it stop piracy? No. .

Not only will it not, it only encourages it (some people do steal ONLY because of DRM, and I'm not sure anyone who's even somewhat computer literate (those who would play PC games) would have any problem going around it). You can preach all you want about your morality and the law and the RIAA can sue all they want and developers can load all the DRMs they want but IT ISN'T WORKING. And to stubbornly say that well, that's not working so let's do some more of it, is just silly. New solutions need to be found.
 

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You call it boycotting and I call it justifying their fears and breaking the law. The bottom line is there is all this static about installation limits because of piracy. Will it stop piracy? No. But stealing in protest does nothing but put more limits on legit users.

Thats your opinion, which I respect, but like I keep saying it worked for the Music Industry and I believe in time it will work for the Game Industry.

What will get more notice, letters and emails that they can delete asking them to stop DRM? Or a nice big wad of money they never got?

I can see this argument going round in circles, with you having a reponse and counter to everything everybody writes. I am going to agree to disagree with you, I have said my piece and will only return to this thread to moderate it.

At the end of the day, you will never stop Piracy, but like record labels have, companies need to go the right way about reducing it, a reasonable price and its hassle free, I'm happy (aka Music Industry),IMO slapping DRM all over something to a hacker/pirate is like a RED rag to a bull.

alexp999 out :p
 
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I can see this argument going round in circles, with you having a reponse and counter to everything everybody writes. I am going to agree to disagree with you, I have said my piece and will only return to this thread to moderate it.

He hasn't responded to my last 3 or 4 posts, but I'm not sure if that's for lack of retort or exasperation w/ perceived ignorance. :laugh: It shouldn't be too hard to moderate, pretty good convo so far.
 
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Or the poor guy is getting hammered by the majority and has no time to answer everyone
 
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Or the poor guy is getting hammered by the majority and has no time to answer everyone

I think he's done w/ me on account of my intellectual property views (I got too radical :D), but yeah, it's tough to take on everyone else. If you're in a business and everyone else is you're customer you probably won't do so good. But if you can adjust to demands and still find a way to make money, you're golden.
 

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Thats your opinion, which I respect, but like I keep saying it worked for the Music Industry and I believe in time it will work for the Game Industry.

What will get more notice, letters and emails that they can delete asking them to stop DRM? Or a nice big wad of money they never got?

I can see this argument going round in circles, with you having a response and counter to everything everybody writes. I am going to agree to disagree with you, I have said my piece and will only return to this thread to moderate it.

At the end of the day, you will never stop Piracy, but like record labels have, companies need to go the right way about reducing it, a reasonable price and its hassle free, I'm happy (aka Music Industry),IMO slapping DRM all over something to a hacker/pirate is like a RED rag to a bull.

alexp999 out :p
Theft is not my opinion. What you said you do is breaking the law. I just want to make that clear. There is no justification for it. But Ill leave you to your own poisons :toast:

Not only will it not, it only encourages it (some people do steal ONLY because of DRM, and I'm not sure anyone who's even somewhat computer literate (those who would play PC games) would have any problem going around it). You can preach all you want about your morality and the law and the RIAA can sue all they want and developers can load all the DRMs they want but IT ISN'T WORKING. And to stubbornly say that well, that's not working so let's do some more of it, is just silly. New solutions need to be found.
New solutions need to be found. I agree. Install limits are just annoying. However in no way does it justify theft.

He hasn't responded to my last 3 or 4 posts, but I'm not sure if that's for lack of retort or exasperation w/ perceived ignorance. :laugh: It shouldn't be too hard to moderate, pretty good convo so far.
Read above. There ya happy :laugh:

Or the poor guy is getting hammered by the majority and has no time to answer everyone

Meh I knew that going in to this. Some fight the good fight by theft. I fight it via the pen. :laugh: I just hope no one here thinks I'm being a troll. I'm pretty sure you guys know me better than that. :toast:
 
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New solutions need to be found. I agree. Install limits are just annoying. However in no way does it justify theft.

Read above. There ya happy :laugh:

Yes, I am. :D

Meh I knew that going in to this. Some fight the good fight by theft. I fight it via the pen. :laugh: I just hope no one here thinks I'm being a troll. I'm pretty sure you guys know me better than that. :toast:

What good is a thread like this if there isn't a point counter-point, I'm glad someone takes that side. Some tend to say I don't want any part of arguing and debating, but I think that's one of the best ways to really learn something like this. Agree-fest doesn't learn anything new. If I can't argue with somebody about it, then it probably isn't worth my attention.
 

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There isn't really a good way of getting games companies to here our complaints about DRM. They usually get ignored and they release it with DRM then remove it after its been cracked a few days too late. I for example hate CoH recent introduction of DRM. Usually I can't log in or it tells me my code is invalid and such. Also most games that use steam can be played on multiplayer using hamachi servers.

Ever since I've been young I've been offered to buy pirated games, films etc and nowadays most people know how to pirate these things themselves and the original pirates who charged money to do this in the first place lose out.
 

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I have a scenario. Another review site breaks an NDA or someone in China sneaks a new vid card off of the production line and leaks a review out. If TPU reports on their findings and provides a link are they guilty of breaking their own NDA? Are they ‘assisting in making <insert legally correct word> content available’?

Firstly, someone has to sign an NDA in order to respect it. Most sources in Asia use their influences to get a hold of a sample/some slides/documents and then leak it. When Guru3D received a RV740XT sample, luckily for them, AMD didn't push them to enter into an NDA. As a result, they were able to publish a (p)review. Also, it isn't hard for a company's PR dept to crack down on the source of the NDA leak. The people behind it make it hard by hiding bar-code values, special markings, etc. The most a company can do if it zeroes in on the source of the leak is to not provide NDA-protected content/samples any more. Anyway, that is not piracy.

And no, if we relay their content through our news, we aren't breaking our NDA, since we are mentioning where we got our dig from.
 
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Ok on your first point about CEOs and politicians in the same bed together is nothing new. That will never change. Now you doing the good fight by stealing is very honorable but stealing is stealing. Again music, games, movies etc are all a luxury and are not applicable to the laws a gouging. You are stealing something you do not need. There is nothing honorable about that. If you were taking bread for poor family's from the evil MGM studios than you can use my house to store it in. As for the Facebook rule I think its 100% far. People should read user agreements before they agree. Sorry but I have no sympathy for its "clients".



What about my other points that build up to my main point, picking one sentence does not elaborate what I was getting at, the whole paragraph makes my statement. Just to refresh your memory here it is again. No where in my paragraph do I state to steal. That is your assumption.

In a close to perfect world I might have a bit more sympathy to your arguments. When CEO's and the politicians, who write the laws, which as you probably know and see are romping around in the same bed, what can consumers do but fight back in the only ways they can. Its a fine line called civil disobedience. Take a look around whats happening in the USA and start to connect the dots in the financial district. Can you or I Hire a Lobbyist to fight on our behalf, no but corporations can and do. Years ago Lobbying was called Influence Peddling, which was against the law. Some politicians got together and watered the old laws down and gave them a new name Lobbyists. Gave them some new regulations, another name for that is Legalized Influence Peddling. So until I see some changes in Legalized Influence peddling, I will in some way do some civil disobedience. Because the way were headed it's all I have left.
By the way TheMailMan78 did you hear that FaceBook is now laying claim to everything that is on their servers. Every sentence, picture, that you or anybody has uploaded. When Facebook first started did they have a disclaimer upfront telling you that what is put on their servers is copyrighted material that they now own. So if they decide to use your mugshot in an ad making money on their site you have no rights to it. TheMailMan78 is this what you call fair. Because the average person can't afford to fight this, they will do so and get away with it. Maybe with your legalistic point of view you might want to go and straighten Facebook out about the abuse of copyright.
 
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