AMD Changes the Game with ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, Harnessing the Most Powerful GPU

FreedomEclipse · Sep 23, 2009

PP Mguire said:
*yawn*

*throws smarties @ Mguires open mouth*

PP Mguire · Sep 23, 2009

I love smarties

Valdez · Sep 23, 2009

FreedomEclipse said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/Z/224243/original/Left 4 Dead No AA.png

& the 5870 crossfire gets beaten back by a single 4870X2 (BuRn!!!!!!!!) though im sure its just a driver issue - 5xxx series drivers havent had time to mature yet

This benchmark is cpu limited, don't you see?
You have to stress those cards severely (highres, high aa) to get correct outcome, or you'll get cpu limit.

mechtech · Sep 23, 2009

FreedomEclipse said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/Z/224243/original/Left 4 Dead No AA.png

& the 5870 crossfire gets beaten back by a single 4870X2 (BuRn!!!!!!!!) though im sure its just a driver issue - 5xxx series drivers havent had time to mature yet

I believe that Left 4 Dead is a CPU limited game.

WarEagleAU · Sep 23, 2009

Fastest single GPU card ever, about damn time they got back to form. Very awesome in the review too. Cannot wait for prices to come down as I will gladly sell my 4870 to get one of these. Second that for jizzing in the pants

imperialreign · Sep 24, 2009

mdm-adph said:
You guys are really putting too much faith in the things you read at TomsHardware.

I go there for information every now and then, but when they're doing their testing and reviews, it's apparent that often they don't know what the hell they're doing.

I kinda agree on Tom's . . . for the most part, until I see numbers posted here at TPU, I'm always skeptical

Either way, from the reviews I've seen - it's looking round abouts that one 5870 is on par with one 4870x2 (which is pretty insane, IMHO) . . . and throwing in the AA/AF and this new monster takes the lead over everything else . . .

Y'know, I really didn't believe ATI could pull off such an impressive feat two series in a row - nearly doubling the performance versus the now displaced models - and I'm getting the feeling nVidia will have been caught with their pants down (I guess we'll see once the new 300 is out). It's just simply impressive to see ATI tip that crown again, and be able to stout being the first to market with DX11 support (not surprising, considering they're the first to embrace all new goodness).

Alrighty, then . . . putting aside lootage for a pair of 5870x2s once they're to market! :toast:

DaedalusHelios · Sep 24, 2009

imperialreign said:
Alrighty, then . . . putting aside lootage for a pair of 5870x2s once they're to market!

An i7 upgrade plus a single 5870x2 would be a better idea.

imperialreign · Sep 24, 2009

DaedalusHelios said:
An i7 upgrade plus a single 5870x2 would be a better idea.

Naw - not until I'm run this 9650 into the ground. Besides, as far as what I do is concerned, and how hard I currently push everything, I won't see much of any real benefit from an i7 setup.

DaedalusHelios · Sep 24, 2009

imperialreign said:
Naw - not until I'm run this 9650 into the ground. Besides, as far as what I do is concerned, and how hard I currently push everything, I won't see much of any real benefit from an i7 setup.

Multi-GPU scaling is CPU hungry from my experience.

Even your 4870X2's would see a serious difference in frames with an i7 920 at 4Ghz.

i7 is not that expensive if you buy used too. :cool:

Your parts sold that would be replaced by i7 parts would maybe be a $100 difference in price. But its your choice, I would think it would be a good management of funds.

Hayder_Master · Sep 24, 2009

FreedomEclipse said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/Z/224243/original/Left 4 Dead No AA.png

& the 5870 crossfire gets beaten back by a single 4870X2 (BuRn!!!!!!!!) though im sure its just a driver issue - 5xxx series drivers havent had time to mature yet

FreedomEclipse said:
& Also to correct myself......shadedshu:shadedshu

http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/Y/224242/original/Left 4 Dead 8x AA.png

where AA & AF are involved...

why you pick left4dead test did you thing this game even worth 4850 to run it , wht about real games crysis warhead , stalker clear sky

wahdangun · Sep 24, 2009

FreedomEclipse said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/Z/224243/original/Left 4 Dead No AA.png

& the 5870 crossfire gets beaten back by a single 4870X2 (BuRn!!!!!!!!) though im sure its just a driver issue - 5xxx series drivers havent had time to mature yet

it's definitely, CPU bottleneck, what a masive powa :rockout:

imperialreign · Sep 24, 2009

DaedalusHelios said:
Multi-GPU scaling is CPU hungry from my experience.

Even your 4870X2's would see a serious difference in frames with an i7 920 at 4Ghz.

i7 is not that expensive if you buy used too.

Your parts sold that would be replaced by i7 parts would maybe be a $100 difference in price. But its your choice, I would think it would be a good management of funds.

I completely understand what you're saying, although, with my own testing, the real system bottleneck for GPUs is the BUS - and past a certain point, the performance increase becomes rather marginal (at least on my setup) . . . can't remember if it was a BUS of 450 or 475 . . .

Anyhow, it might be completely different with the 5000 series . . .

Asides, I don't use many programs that would greatly benefit from the i7, perhaps Sound Forge, but everything is already pretty blazing fast with my current CPU and clock speeds . . .

Perhaps into next year, as I've given it some thought, as I'm planning on building a second rig . . .

PP Mguire · Sep 24, 2009

The i7s are faster clock for clock though so at 4ghz it would be able to feed your gpu more information.

imperialreign · Sep 24, 2009

PP Mguire said:
The i7s are faster clock for clock though so at 4ghz it would be able to feed your gpu more information.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's not so much the CPU that holds up the GPU(s), but the BUS - sure, CPU clock speed does factor in, but so does your DRAM clock speeds, and your BUS speeds more-so.

Let's also not forget this interesting article that was written a little over a year ago: http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/1

Not saying any of y'all are wrong, as the CPU/mobo combo does factor in, but past a certain point, it truly doesn't matter what CPU you're packing - the higher the resolution you're running, the more you're bound to your GPUs limitations.

That being said, I don't see much of a point (ATM in time) to upgrade to an i7 setup . . . I'm already pushing a C2Q at heretical 24/7 speeds, not to mention how hard I push my system overall (y'all know how I like to slaughter my DRAM

). Perhaps in the next year I'll make that jump, as I start building up a secondary system with all these spare parts I have laying around . . . but ATM, I don't feel I'd see much benefit (aside from the upgraded e-peen and bragging rights).

Meizuman · Sep 26, 2009

Would definitely be nice to see some benchmarks with lower end CPU's... Thing I would like to see is how the old 9950 handles games with these beasts and how much boost there would be from going 4850 -> 5850. At least on TPU's simulated single 5850 give almost 100% boost compared to 4850. But that was with i7 920, IIRC. I want to see how much there would be CPU bottlenecking... It really wouldn't matter much if minimum FPS doesn't drop to unplayable numbers... (that with high res and high AA/AF). One thing I would want to do with 5800 series is enable the Global illumination on S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

DaedalusHelios · Sep 27, 2009

I had a stock E2160 with 4GB of ram and a GTX 280. On CODWAW it dropped to 20FPS on medium settings 1600x1200 with a bunch of zombies on screen... It basically took a dump.

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