Which BIOS is superior for overclocking 5850, ASUS or MSI?

The Sauce · Feb 10, 2010

Just flashed my HIS 5850 to the MSI BIOS. I know this gives you higher clock limits in CCC but I was wondering if one was superior to the other in any other ways for overclocking.

wolf · Feb 10, 2010

In the case of a reference design card, there should be no real differences aside from the clock limits, unless different 5850's use different memory...

DTV DRAGON · Feb 10, 2010

The Sauce said:
Just flashed my HIS 5850 to the MSI BIOS. I know this gives you higher clock limits in CCC but I was wondering if one was superior to the other in any other ways for overclocking.

geez wish I had the nerve to flash my 5850, I would like to try the 5870 bios though as others have had nice results with it DRagon

The Sauce · Feb 11, 2010

If I knew where to get a 5870 BIOS, I would flash it.

Solaris17 · Feb 11, 2010

The Sauce said:
If I knew where to get a 5870 BIOS, I would flash it.

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/...ufacturer=&model=HD+5870&interface=&memSize=0

let us know

DTV DRAGON · Feb 11, 2010

I have the 5870 bios that I was given bu a bunch of gys that did theres, if ya want it let me know DRagon

The Sauce · Feb 11, 2010

Solaris17 said:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/...ufacturer=&model=HD+5870&interface=&memSize=0

let us know

I love you. I was looking for that. I'll get on it as soon as I can. The 5870 BIOSs have higher voltage as well, right? Does flashing a 5870 on a 5850 cause any screw-ups with the missing shaders that anyone knows of?

belitsky · Feb 12, 2010

The Sauce said:
I love you. I was looking for that. I'll get on it as soon as I can. The 5870 BIOSs have higher voltage as well, right? Does flashing a 5870 on a 5850 cause any screw-ups with the missing shaders that anyone knows of?

Yes, it is uses higher voltages. Shaders locked hardware, so bios has nothing to do with this issue.
Why you need really need it?
I tried it with succes, but for now i don't want to use bios from 5870 on my 5850, cause higher voltages and temps. I just use new Afterburner profiles with unlocked MSI 5850 bios. It works like a charm. And only when i really need it.

DTV DRAGON · Feb 12, 2010

so whats the purpose then flashing with the unlocked 5850 bios? because with the stock bios and afterburner set to go to higher freq, i can still go that high as well? or is there another benifit of flashing to the 5850 unlocked that i do not know about? please let me know as iam building up confidence to flash mine lol Dragon

belitsky · Feb 12, 2010

I was unable to change voltage and set up freqs more then 775 with Afterburner. That was my reason.

erocker · Feb 12, 2010

belitsky said:
I was unable to set up freqs more then 775 with Afterburner. That was my reason.

You don't need a new bios to do that. A different bios won't make any difference. To overclock past the CCC limits using afterburner, you need to go into the afterburner .cfg file and change the overclocking limit value from 0 to 1.

Different 5850's use different memory. While the clocks may be the same the timings/latencies could be different and you could mess your card up by flashing it.

DTV DRAGON · Feb 12, 2010

yeah right now i have mine at 885/1172 voltage 1.187 and stable to go higher i will need to raise voltage abit more,and from what other peeps have i can go to at least 1.25 Dragon

DTV DRAGON · Feb 12, 2010

with being able to o/c my 5850 this high would i see any benifit of selling this card of mine ang going to a 5870? because i sold my second new 5850 the other day and now a friend wants to buy the 5850 iam useing so i was thinking of selling it as well and getting in a 5870, but I dont know how good of a o/cer the 5870 are,would love a 5970 but way outa scope for me DRagon
also i dont know how good this psu of mine realy is sigma shark 635 watt. I have my q9650 o/ced to 3.9 a hd5850 o/ced ,2-750 gig drives,4-120mm fans,1-240mm fan,and a sound card on the way, do you think that i might need a better psu?

erocker · Feb 12, 2010

DTV DRAGON said:
yeah right now i have mine at 885/1172 voltage 1.187 and stable to go higher i will need to raise voltage abit more,and from what other peeps have i can go to at least 1.25 Dragon

I use that exact voltage to run 950/1250 on my 5850's. I did make sure to take the cooler off my card to check what kind of RAM it had. The same Samsung GDDR5 as on the 5870 in my case.

DTV DRAGON · Feb 12, 2010

erocker said:
I use that exact voltage to run 950/1250 on my 5850's. I did make sure to take the cooler off my card to check what kind of RAM it had. The same Samsung GDDR5 as on the 5870 in my case.

raly wellthats good to know as i actually never tried to go higher at that voltage just was reading from what others have done, but i guess ya never know till you try as each is different,..thanx I will try soon to see what i can get mine to

belitsky · Feb 12, 2010

erocker said:
You don't need a new bios to do that. A different bios won't make any difference. To overclock past the CCC limits using afterburner, you need to go into the afterburner .cfg file and change the overclocking limit value from 0 to 1.

Different 5850's use different memory. While the clocks may be the same the timings/latencies could be different and you could mess your card up by flashing it.

Cool, thanks for mention this issue. I read about it previously, but don't used it. Now i flash my original bios back and use Afterburner only for OC.

Just start testing stability with 900/1100 on 1.118 vcore. - update: it failed. Need to up vcore.

DTV DRAGON · Feb 12, 2010

Belitsky please keep us updated on your o/cing progress for your 5850 as I will too and see where we can get these at stable Dragon

belitsky · Feb 12, 2010

DTV DRAGON said:
Belitsky please keep us updated on your o/cing progress for your 5850 as I will too and see where we can get these at stable Dragon

Sure, looks like i found maximum practical numbers for my card, it's the same 950/1100 with 1.25 vcore. I can run 1000/1200 on it, but it is not stable and freezes sometimes.
All this things with default HIS HD5850 bios from september of 2009.
Will try latest ATI bios (from here) with same numbers, interesting if it's will affect on benchmarking results.
What about you? Any news?

DTV DRAGON · Feb 13, 2010

iam at 900/1175 ran 3dmark06,vantage, and videocard stability test and all well Dragon woops 1.20 vcore

belitsky · Feb 13, 2010

DTV DRAGON said:
iam at 900/1175 ran 3dmark06,vantage, and videocard stability test and all well Dragon woops 1.20 vcore

What about cooling? Do you use manual settings? What max temp was on your gpu?

I found that Crysis Warhead bench, on cargo flythrough demo, maximum res (1920x1080 for now) load my card really good. I run it 9 times. This demo have lowest minimum fps from all demos in this bench for me, so i decide that it will be best for my needs as stability tester.

DTV DRAGON · Feb 13, 2010

i would like to try that crysis warhead bench can you point me to it, my max temp was 62 at 99% load and i have fan setting setup in afterburner Dragon

belitsky · Feb 13, 2010

DTV DRAGON said:
i would like to try that crysis warhead bench can you point me to it, my max temp was 62 at 99% load and i have fan setting setup in afterburner Dragon

http://downloads.guru3d.com/Crysis-WARHEAD-Benchmark-Tool-BETA-download-2072.html

Do you use manual fan settings? Or you use default automatic settings?

DTV DRAGON · Feb 13, 2010

thanx!! and i use the user defined settings i made in afterburner Dragon...I will download that bench right now!

DTV DRAGON · Feb 13, 2010

ok i downloaded that file but cant seem to find what it looking for, do i need the game on my puter first? or does the benchmark work all on its own because it said its looking for an .exe file that cant be found yeah looks like i need the game first wich i dont have lol thanx anyways Dragon

The Sauce · Feb 13, 2010

erocker said:
You don't need a new bios to do that. A different bios won't make any difference. To overclock past the CCC limits using afterburner, you need to go into the afterburner .cfg file and change the overclocking limit value from 0 to 1.

I did need a new BIOS to do that. Even after changing the .cfg file Afterburner still choked for me. Any clock I set would get reset to default when I hit "Apply." At best it was quirky until I flashed the BIOS. Even when I did get it to take the clocks it would then reset them on boot-up so I would have to manually reset them every time I booted. No more with the new BIOS and using CCC.

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