Help with New gaming rig that is most needed

[JrRacinFan]

I am not swayed I still say go with an X6 1055T. Another thing i want to mention, with new tech coming out so quickly in this modern age, you may have to upgrade your video cards in about year and half 2 years. With that said, go with a single gpu.

 

[HoboBob]

Is there any plus to go with the Black Edition type of CPU? I mean, I've read that some RAM would do more, but, what would I lose if I go with the 1055 over the 1090 ?

If I go with the CH IV, what GPU would be best, a 5850 to start and add more along the run?

Thx, (trying to look at a AMD rig atm)

HoboBob

 

[JrRacinFan]

Is there any plus to go with the Black Edition type of CPU? I mean, I've read that some RAM would do more, but, what would I lose if I go with the 1055 over the 1090 ?

If I go with the CH IV, what GPU would be best, a 5850 to start and add more along the run?

Thx, (trying to look at a AMD rig atm)

HoboBob

What's the budget again, I'll price you up a little rig pretty quick.

 

[HoboBob]

1500$ Keep in mind that it's in $CAN and that I might have to buy it from a retailer since newegg.ca have not all the deals, rebates and free shipping than its US cousin.

Thx a lot guys,

HoboBob

 

[HoboBob]

I came up for with a decent AMD rig. Altho, you guys might think it is a bit too pricey, esp. since it is using a CH IV. But I think I'll add another 5850 along the run... yeah I know, I know not my fault if all the board are ugly blue and the CH IV is red n black and fits the rest of the rig...

Case = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133086
CPU = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851
Mobo = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644
RAM = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226123
PSU = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011
GPU = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375
Cooling = http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150

Under $CAN 1300, minus the shipping and the taxes

What say you!

Thx,
HoboBob

 

[JrRacinFan]

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106334
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139002
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.457336

Now video card ....

This:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127500
or
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333

Cart minus video card

EDIT:

If you don't mind buying used
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=127163

 

[Dent1]

HoboBob there is no point buying a Crosshair IV and the 5850 unless you have decided to make the commitment to buy 4 of them for CrossfireX. Otherwise you're flushing $100-150 down the toilet.

JrRacinFan's choice of motherboard is better given that its alot cheaper for the same CrossfireX specification.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

only 1 issue with that ram JR its tall heatsink and since hes using AMD that means most decent HSF wont fit properly unless he uses the other slots and that would rule out more ram later on etc if he plains to stick to 4gigs then no big deal tho then again for the price of the combo id just hack saw the heatsinks lol or remove them if possible and replace them with something else thats low profile

 

[Wulfgar]

Why people buy new rigs to play Crysis is beyond me. It's just a mediocre FPS...

Anyway, that GTX 460 won't be enough for Crysis (did I mention it's poorly coded ?) at full HD resolutions.
Metro 2033 might run well on DX10 mode but you can forget about DX11 without a GTX 480. It's a much better game however.

 

[Dent1]

Why people buy new rigs to play Crysis is beyond me. It's just a mediocre FPS...

Anyway, that GTX 460 won't be enough for Crysis (did I mention it's poorly coded ?) at full HD resolutions.
Metro 2033 might run well on DX10 mode but you can forget about DX11 without a GTX 480. It's a much better game however.

I think you're exaggerating slightly. I see no reason why a GTX460 couldnt max out Crysis at full settings and @ full HD with 2x/4xAA, people have been doing it with lesser video cards and processors for years.

I can max Crysis out at full settings on my rig easily, granted its not full HD because it's only a 19" screen but its beyond 720p. The OP shouldnt have a issue with games at all.

But I would agree that building any rig just for Crysis or just for one game isnt wise.

 

[HoboBob]

@ Wulfgar Hahaha I'm with you on this, altho, I said Crysis and Metro since they are the games to beat fps wise (I know there's a couple more).

Thx, for the info guys. I'll be right back later tonight to check the rig.

Any input on a RAM that is not too tall, cuz I think the Frio might try to hump the heatspreader/fan with a tall ram.

ttyl, thx

HoboBob

 

[phanbuey]

Why people buy new rigs to play Crysis is beyond me. It's just a mediocre FPS...

Anyway, that GTX 460 won't be enough for Crysis (did I mention it's poorly coded ?) at full HD resolutions.
Metro 2033 might run well on DX10 mode but you can forget about DX11 without a GTX 480. It's a much better game however.

FINALLY!!! Yes.

If you're spending $1500 on a GAMING RIG and not at least getting a 5970 or a 480, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Dent1]

FINALLY!!! Yes.

If you're spending $1500 on a GAMING RIG and not at least getting a 5970 or a 480, you're doing it wrong.

He isnt American so $1500 gets you alot less in Canada. $1500 isnt even needed for a gaming rig, a GTX 460 1GB is still high end and can squash any game in its path.

Right because Q U A D F I R E was so much better... retard.

I never recommended quadfire. I said its a possibility if the buys a quadfire board, I was opposed to the Crosshair IV board.

Edit: Sorry about the palm face, I couldnt resist.

 

[phanbuey]

Right because Q U A D F I R E was so much better...

but seriously... a 6-core and a midrange card is just a rig. It won't play games well at all... you're much better off with a lower processor board and ram and something like a 480 or 5970.

If i put a 5970 in YOUR rig right now... with your AMD Athlon X4, that rig will game 2x better than what you just recommended him and will probably cost less. You would need a new PSU but thats about it.

 

[Dent1]

The GTX 460 1GB falls a little bit higher than midrange, its only a little bit slower than the 5850. I would say midrange would be the ATI 5830, 5770 or Nvidia's upcoming GTS 450.

In some respects you are right, if $1500 is being spent then a faster video card is within budget than the 480 or 5970 could be bought. My dispute is that the performance of the GTX 460 1GB shouldn’t be downplayed because its a beast of a card and can handle anything in its path. I actually think the $1500 budget is too much for what he requires.

Also bear in mind the OP has his heart on crossfire or SLI. A single 5970 is $700 in Canada whereas a single GTX 460 1GB is $240 or $480 in SLI.

The OP will save about $200 if he gets the SLI GTX 460 and will enjoy better performance than a single 5970!

 

[JrRacinFan]

@pb & dent

Posted those 2 video cards being a bare minimum to go with.

 

[ebolamonkey3]

No need for a GTX 480 or 5970 and skimp out on the CPU. A GTX 460 for now and one more later will be plenty fast for a while, it's not like OP's trying to stay on the cutting edge anyways.

Also, since OP said he doesn't want to upgrade too often and just stick with what he's got for a number of years, a pair of GTX 460s right now will stay that way - can't do tri-SLI or anything of that sort. Whereas if he got a GTX 480 now he might be tempted to buy a second one later, and have to upgrade his PSU so something in the 1000w range.

I'd say get a 1055T now and pair it w/ something like the 890FXA-UD5 and overclock it. Most will OC to 3.8~4ghz and it will provide similar gaming experience as the i5 750 at similar clocks. But the upside here is that it will do better in video/photo editing due to having more cores, and when Bulldozer rolls out, upgrading to that will be an option as the first ones are supposed to be AM3 socket or at least backward compatible with AM3.

So the only bummer is no SLI support on decent AMD mobos, so maybe try the SLI hack? I'm sure you can do it on the UD5 though I haven't done it on mine, but there's a 200+ page thread on OCN dedicated to the UD5 and I'm sure somebody over there has figured it out by now

 

[phanbuey]

No need for a GTX 480 or 5970 and skimp out on the CPU. A GTX 460 for now and one more later will be plenty fast for a while, it's not like OP's trying to stay on the cutting edge anyways.
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From OP: USE: Gaming. high-end one mostly. Looking at you Crysis and Metro!

You are recommending the rig in ur specs with a GTX 460.

For high-end gaming you need a high end gaming gfx setup. Nothing less than a 480 or 5870 will do. GTX 460 SLI is the best suggestion, but he will need it off the bat. Also SLi hacking is not something I would recommend. That's all IMO - if you want a general purpose rig then that is fine too... I just thought we was gaming

 

[ebolamonkey3]

But there is also a budget to consider. You don't need the best and latest in GPU technology to have a good experience in gaming. Crysis and Metro are two examples that brings even the most powerful cards down to their knees (less so for Crysis now since it's 3yrs old). Hell, if OP gets a 30" monitor and wants to turn up all the eye candy, not even SLI 480s will be enough to play Metro.

The CPU I suggested is more generalized, since the OP mentioned that his gf might use it for other things as well. Plus, overclocked to 4ghz, it'll offer the same perceivable performance as the i5s and i7s. Intel will bench higher all day, but if you can't see the difference w/ your eyes, I would rather keep the change.

The point isn't to make a PC that's all out gaming w/o regard to anything else, it's to build the best performing PC (w/ an emphasis toward gaming) that fits under the budget. For the best gaming experience the OP should get an i5 670 and OC it to 5ghz and buy a 5970, but that would cripple his PC's multi-threaded performance and he'd probably have to skimp on some other area like the case or PSU or HD.

So personally, I feel that AM3/X6 offers more expandability in the CPU area due to bulldozer and future software optimization (for 6 cores) whereas LGA1156 is done, which is why I went with it and recommended it. However, an i7 860 is plenty fast and will probably last him a good while (dunno about 6 years). I don't see the reason to go w/ LGA1366 though unless OP really wants 24gb of RAM down the road.

 

[HoboBob]

Wow thx a lot guys!!!

Just came back home, sry for the lack of reply!

It sucks that no farking AMD board would do a basic 2SLI. srsly... I would love to go AM3 and not be forced to buy a new bloody mobo next year, but at what cost? Going with a 5870 and hoping that they magically come up with xfire that does not suck scalling wise (looking at how awesome the GF104 scales :shadedshu )

And yes it is for high-end gaming, so a min of 1920 is in plan. And yes, buying parts in canada is more expensive. So far the low cost rig is nice but will it last me long, I dunno. I don't have to buy the rig tomorrow. Should I wait a bit or is it pointless? What say you!?!

Thx again for your wonderful replies,

HoboBob

 

[ebolamonkey3]

Bob, you already got a monitor right? If not you gotta add that into your budget as well. Over here a decent 1080p monitor is around $200, so budget accordingly.

You have to buy tomorrow? Why in such a big hurry?

 

[HoboBob]

No I wasn't planning on going for 24mb mostly because I read good things about the i7 920. I'm slowly changing my mind and might finally go with the AM3.

Now let's drop a bomb, should I wait for the CH IV Extreme or is it just but a dream? (read no ETA and too costly for your budget )

Thx guys,
HoboBob

 

[HoboBob]

You have to buy tomorrow? Why in such a big hurry?

No, sry for the misunderstanding, like I said, I don't have to buy it tomorrow, so I can wait and talk about it more and research a bit more on AM3 rigs?

Thx,
HoboBob

 

[Dent1]

ebolamonkey3,

5GHz overclock

Other than that I agree with your post +1

they magically come up with xfire that does not suck scalling wise

Do not get confused, crossfire's scaling is fine. Crossfire has been exploited by gamers for years and will continue to be. The issue is with CrossfireX which is 4 video cards, this is when the scaling becomes dodgy, and even so the CrossfireX could be fine now for all we know since reviews tend to feature beta drivers.

Now let's drop a bomb, should I wait for the CH IV Extreme or is it just but a dream?

It's a dream. Price/performance they suck.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

i have 2 5850 scaling still sucks dent in reality in most games i need the performance boost scaling sucks in games a single 5850 already slaughters crossfire scales well point being if scaling isnt decent till long after im done with the game it dosent help much just tossing that out there nvidia tends to have better scaling period currently crossfire isnt bad but sli has the edge still