Official AMD Radeon 6000 Series Discussion Thread

[Fishymachine]

fudzilla says the 6970 is about 10-20% faster than the 480 but slower then the 570
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fudzilla's fuddin it up again

Interesting claims given that the GTX570 is 1-4% faster,and even the 580 is less than 15% above the GTX480

 

[Benetanegia]

fudzilla says the 6970 is about 10-20% faster than the 480 but slower then the 570
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fudzilla's fuddin it up again

Its is posible. They are only claiming that GTX570 is (or might be) faster on VANTAGE. Read the article again and you'll see how they are only talking about Vantage (in that paragraph, when the claim is made).

Here's some Vantage results:

GTX570 is in fact 12% faster than the GTX480 on Vantage so it is posible. And they also mention their own numbers which could have been obtained with different drivers (most probably their respective launch drivers) and that could mean a significant difference between GTX480 results the day that GTX480 was launched (their GTX480 numbers) and GTX480 results the day the GTX570 was launched which is what you see in the chart above.

When we compare our own GTX 480 results and add 20 percent on top of that it turns that Cayman XT loses to both GTX 570 and especially GTX 580.

What I'm trying to say is that they are not trying to mislead anyone imho, they are just doing an maybe not so accurate assesment because of the data they have on their hands.

It's like how many people say that HD6870 is almost as fast as HD5870 because of W1zzard's HD6870 review? Now look what happens when both cards are using the latest drivers:

There's a significant difference, but for 99% of people, in their minds, the relative performance of the HD6870 is the one that was seen on release day and will most probably talk about and quote those numbers forever.

 

[erocker]

Fuad saw a graph yesterday that the rest of us saw and deemed Photoshopped. Don't put too much effort into defending what FUD has to say, we get it. No more, no less. But yes, it is entirely possible along with it being 40% faster than GTX 580 and being released next year sometime and not on the 15th... or is it 13th. Hell if I care anymore.

 

[the54thvoid]

No erocker - you got it all wrong.

The HD 6970 is a 1920sp 2GB card with 900Mhz clock speed that runs at 30-50% faster than a 6870 but is slower than a 570 but is 20-40% faster than a 580 but was out on the 22nd November but is released next week (ish) and is going to kill Nvidia who have got the crown with the 580 as it is the bestest card ever but only until the 6970 comes out unless it's not as good as the 580 but it's definitely better than the 6950 but its late too because yields are so good the 6970 parts are in abundance but BIOS tweaks have affected the drivers and ATI are scared of NV unless they're not because they're card is not as good because they thought 580 would be shit but it's not but it's not as good as their 6970 but only if you read something written but someone who knows nothing or something.

Clear?

 

[MoonPig]

No erocker - you got it all wrong.

The HD 6970 is a 1920sp 2GB card with 900Mhz clock speed that runs at 30-50% faster than a 6870 but is slower than a 570 but is 20-40% faster than a 580 but was out on the 22nd November but is released next week (ish) and is going to kill Nvidia who have got the crown with the 580 as it is the bestest card ever but only until the 6970 comes out unless it's not as good as the 580 but it's definitely better than the 6950 but its late too because yields are so good the 6970 parts are in abundance but BIOS tweaks have affected the drivers and ATI are scared of NV unless they're not because they're card is not as good because they thought 580 would be shit but it's not but it's not as good as their 6970 but only if you read something written but someone who knows nothing or something.

Clear?

My head hurts.

 

[erocker]

No erocker - you got it all wrong.

The HD 6970 is a 1920sp 2GB card with 900Mhz clock speed that runs at 30-50% faster than a 6870 but is slower than a 570 but is 20-40% faster than a 580 but was out on the 22nd November but is released next week (ish) and is going to kill Nvidia who have got the crown with the 580 as it is the bestest card ever but only until the 6970 comes out unless it's not as good as the 580 but it's definitely better than the 6950 but its late too because yields are so good the 6970 parts are in abundance but BIOS tweaks have affected the drivers and ATI are scared of NV unless they're not because they're card is not as good because they thought 580 would be shit but it's not but it's not as good as their 6970 but only if you read something written but someone who knows nothing or something.

Clear?

Crystal clear. At least someone gets it.

 

[the54thvoid]

Its is posible. They are only claiming that GTX570 is (or might be) faster on VANTAGE. Read the article again and you'll see how they are only talking about Vantage (in that paragraph, when the claim is made).

Yeah but the point is he's referring to the slide thats been shown to be complete BS:

http://d.imagehost.org/0065/fakeenhanced.png

It's all very well to state this and that but to base it on a well dodgy and amateurish slide is pretty piss poor.

You shouldn't go about defending Fuad Ben, you'll lose credibility

Fuad also tends to write stuff and not link it. Hell even the guys on this forum do a better job. Fuad is to NV as CD is to AMD.

 

[erocker]

I visit Fudzilla for the pictures.

 

[the54thvoid]

I 'read' porn for teh same reasons.

 

[SNICK]

enough with the propaganda in favor of nvidia...ENOUGH...!!!...blasphemy rumors all the time...

hd6970 will be equal or faster on all aspects in comparison with gtx580...keep that in mind...did you forget that official good working drivers are the 10.12.? f*ck the leaked benchs, are ALL fake with "ghost" drivers...i will be laughing until the morning when i'll see the benchmark results...

the difference between 6950 and 6970 is 20%(2gb version, dont mention the 1gb version)...now are you sure, that gtx 580 and gtx570...are exactly a match to them...???...keep that in mind... and stop burying hd69xx as nvidia and fudzilla want to make people buy sooner than expected more gtx5xx...hahahaha...it's nonsense...!!!

link http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3801765&postcount=74

a quote from someone who actually has the card.

 

[20mmrain]

It's like how many people say that HD6870 is almost as fast as HD5870 because of W1zzard's HD6870 review? Now look what happens when both cards are using the latest drivers:

I own two 6870's and no matter what any Review says..... it is almost as fast as a 5870. It is actually about on par with a GTX 470. Which again a GTX 470 is almost as fast as a 5870.

Just clearing it up. But I will admit the latest drivers do put some lag and performance loss on these cards. That's why I use Von Mod Drivers But even with out those mod drivers the original drivers are faster performing then the current 10.10e .... but the original drivers also have more gaming bugs hence the Hot fix.

 

[Goodman]

link http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3801765&postcount=74

a quote from someone who actually has the card.

No! he does not , Hilbert Hagedoorn he's the one who got the cards & he's not telling anything so far...

i"ll bet W1z got his right now?

 

[Benetanegia]

Yeah but the point is he's referring to the slide thats been shown to be complete BS:

http://d.imagehost.org/0065/fakeenhanced.png

It's all very well to state this and that but to base it on a well dodgy and amateurish slide is pretty piss poor.

You shouldn't go about defending Fuad Ben, you'll lose credibility

Fuad also tends to write stuff and not link it. Hell even the guys on this forum do a better job. Fuad is to NV as CD is to AMD.

Well we can't confirm that he is talking about that slide or that he is not correct about the numbers even if he took them out of his arse. Anyway, I was not defending Fuad*. I was "defending" the claim that something can be 10-20% faster than GTX480 in Vantage and still be slower than a GTX570 (10%) and/or GTX580 (20%) respectively, because that claim is true.

*he is not like CD by any means tho, he is not even 1/10 as bad a "journalist" as CD is and he is not so biased. CD and Fuad are enemies and in that game Fuad goes against CD which means he usually sides with Nvidia, but I have never seen Fuad denigrating AMD and/or AMD employees with false BS at that.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Read Fudzilla, now read this response to someone who claims to have the slide. BTW, that person is said to be in the "know". LOL, if what neliz says turns out to be true. Which would explain why you shouldn't believe fudzilla.

 

[Benetanegia]

Read Fudzilla, now read this response to someone who claims to have the slide. BTW, that person is said to be in the "know". LOL, if what neliz says turns out to be true. Which would explain why you shouldn't believe fudzilla.

I always take Fudzilla with a truckload of salt, but on the other hand isn't this neliz guy kind of confirming that what Fudzilla is saying today comes from actual AMD slides? And hence objective (non.interpretable) data is true? i.e Cayman 880 Mhz 1536 SP. There's no posible interpretation to that.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I always take Fudzilla with a truckload of salt, but on the other hand isn't this neliz guy kind of confirming that what Fudzilla is saying today comes from actual AMD slides? And hence objective (non.interpretable) data is true? i.e Cayman 880 Mhz 1536 SP. There's no posible interpretation to that.

no

 

[the54thvoid]

Fuad today:

"It is unknown if the card is slower of faster than the GTX 580"

Fuad two days ago:

"Our sources indicate that Geforce GTX 580 should end up faster than Radeon HD 6970"

Make up your mind man........ I lol as he does this all the time.

 

[Benetanegia]

no

No what?

Anyhow I read a little bit of that thread and apparently: YES.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1501085&postcount=5692

Originally Posted by A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y View Post
Radeon HD 6970 runs at 880MHz and has only 1536 ALU streaming processors not the 1920 that has been widely quoted in this forum.

True or False?

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...runs-at-880mhz

Not false, Fuad conveniently leaves out the low TDP at which this is achieved, let's say it's not even close to the 300W the NV propaganda machine promoted.

Fuad today:

"It is unknown if the card is slower of faster than the GTX 580"

Fuad two days ago:

"Our sources indicate that Geforce GTX 580 should end up faster than Radeon HD 6970"

Make up your mind man........ I lol as he does this all the time.

That's actually a little bit of good journalism, which some others lack, and Fudzilla itself usually lacks. Not this time though. "Our sources indicate" is not the same as saying that it IS, it is just informing that their sources whoever they are, say it is not faster. But since these sources cannot be confirmed... "It is unknown if the card is slower of faster than the GTX 580".

He is not saying two different things. Not at all.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Fuad today:

"It is unknown if the card is slower of faster than the GTX 580"

Fuad two days ago:

"Our sources indicate that Geforce GTX 580 should end up faster than Radeon HD 6970"

Make up your mind man........ I lol as he does this all the time.

This is why one should disregard anything they say. Apparently they will say both good and bad, high or low, etc as they believe one of the 2 will be right :shadedshu. It's like throwing 2 darts at the same time.

 

[the54thvoid]

...He is not saying two different things. Not at all.

Fudzilla (Fuad more specifically) has a long and cherished history of stating this and that, often with opposite meaning.

It is NOT good journalism at all. Using sources to cover all bases and printing opinions on it that change each day is not good journalism. It's called backtracking and he does it most of the time. His main problem is that he often states "opinion A" one day and then "opinion B" the next day - both being his ever changing opinion. It's a tech website, not a blog. Big difference.

He also rarely links articles so we are meant to take what he says as some sort of commandment from his techy gods with no 'proof'.

No, Fuad is not a good journalist.

You can believe he is if you want, that is your opinion.

Proper Objective Journalism:

I have evidence A (truth or not it doesnt matter.) I print an article and say "A is so".
Next day i come across evidence B. I then should print an article stating that in contrast to my recent info i have received this new info which states B. I conclude to my honoured readers that there is no clear cut evidence until we see it.

Fuad doesn't do this. It's either "A" one day or "B" the next. With a slight twist of green.

 

[Benetanegia]

Fudzilla (Fuad more specifically) has a long and cherished history of stating this and that, often with opposite meaning.

It is NOT good journalism at all. Using sources to cover all bases and printing opinions on it that change each day is not good journalism. It's called backtracking and he does it most of the time. His main problem is that he often states "opinion A" one day and then "opinion B" the next day - both being his ever changing opinion. It's a tech website, not a blog. Big difference.

He also rarely links articles so we are meant to take what he says as some sort of commandment from his techy gods with no 'proof'.

No, Fuad is not a good journalist.

You can believe he is if you want, that is your opinion.

Proper Objective Journalism:

I have evidence A (truth or not it doesnt matter.) I print an article and say "A is so".
Next day i come across evidence B. I then should print an article stating that in contrast to my recent info i have received this new info which states B. I conclude to my honoured readers that there is no clear cut evidence until we see it.

Fuad doesn't do this. It's either "A" one day or "B" the next. With a slight twist of green.

1- I'm not saying he is a good journalist. I don't even consider him a journalist. But he is not as bad as you make him to be and he does not do what you say AT ALL.

2- You are most likely confusing Fuad with Charlie Demerjian, because he does what you say, unlike Fuad who has backtracked and appologized PLENTY OF TIMES.

i.e. http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/21128-radeon-hd-6970-is-10-20-faster-than-gtx-480

Update:

It appears that our usually well informed source failed us, and forwarded a photoshopped roadmap. So, we plainly got served. We are in the process of gathering more reliable info on Cayman performance and we will write an update as soon as we get something worthwhile. It will clearly end up quite a bit faster and we apologize for the inconvenience.

Maybe you should read him better and more often before going all crazy about him. Like I said he does not usually do good journalism, he is not even a journalist by my standards, but when it comes to these specific claims, he has been objective and did a good journalism work.

 

[the54thvoid]

Maybe you should read him better and more often before going all crazy about him. Like I said he does not usually do good journalism, he is not even a journalist by my standards, but when it comes to these specific claims, he has been objective and did a good journalism work.

Like Bright Side of News and The Inquirer, I really dont have time for Fudzilla and dont mistake my critique with 'crazy' (you wanna see crazy, give me a nuns dress and an aubergine). I habituate TPU, Hexus, Anand, HardOCP (ocassionally) and read the forums on S/A. I garner my sources from across the divide.

Granted, he did well to 'update' the article.

And to appease your anti CD stance, S/A fails dramatically to praise NV for good products. I generally use the forums for uodates as the guys on there often find info from across the globe. CD's articles are generally too long, too spiteful and too one sided (that's why i stopped reading the Inq. but ironically i find S/A useful).


Back on track!!!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&subid=1752

Just a teaser!

 

[Benetanegia]

Like Bright Side of News and The Inquirer, I really dont have time for Fudzilla and dont mistake my critique with 'crazy' (you wanna see crazy, give me a nuns dress and an aubergine). I habituate TPU, Hexus, Anand, HardOCP (ocassionally) and read the forums on S/A. I garner my sources from across the divide.

Granted, he did well to 'update' the article.

And to appease your anti CD stance, S/A fails dramatically to praise NV for good products. I generally use the forums for uodates as the guys on there often find info from across the globe. CD's articles are generally too long, too spiteful and too one sided (that's why i stopped reading the Inq. but ironically i find S/A useful).

The Inq, Fudzilla, BSN, SA... all the same. I read them all (well the Inq not so much), and take them with a grain of salt always, but I think I'm smart enough to differentiate rumors from news and I usually do a good job at reconstructing the truth out of them. I try to filter the info on those sites and eventually they do post some good and reliable info. The key is to appreciate the difference of when they say things like "our sources told us" from other more objective sentences.

Back on track!!!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&subid=1752

Just a teaser!

Sorry, but no products are currently available within this category.

Shrt lived.

Any screenshot? Or at least tell us what was there?

 

[the54thvoid]

Sorry dude, the web page only has that info* but at least it's concrete that they have them. Gibbo (the guy at OcUK) has already stated on the OcUK forums that they have a load on order.

If the 6970 isn't as good as the 580 i'll be pissed as the 580 supply in the UK is piss poor.


*...Damn... missed my chance to lie and say "Yeah, they were like 950 core and had 2000+ shaders and like 250 GB/s bandwidth"

 

[bear jesus]

*...Damn... missed my chance to lie and say "Yeah, they were like 950 core and had 2000+ shaders and like 250 GB/s bandwidth"

It's all lies they have 4480 stream processors with a 1mb GDDR5 bus and 7gb/s chips giving over 1tb/s bandwidth

Sorry i could not resist

To be honest I'm not so worried anymore as i now can't order anything for at least a month or more so i get to relax and watch it all play out