Sata III HDD's still a gimmick???

FreedomEclipse · Oct 8, 2011

yeah I was considering using that feature too - getting a 60Gb Sata III and a new 1tb Spinpoint F3

mediasorcerer · Oct 9, 2011

crazyeyesreaper said:
eitherway an HDD performs the same on Sata 1 Sata 2 or Sata 3, there might be a small limitation on Sata 1 on some drives like the Samsung F4 320gb but otherwise there is no difference in an HDDs performance

only thing currently benefiting from Sata 2 and Sata 3 are SSDs

i think your right,as ive learned.the difference is very minimal,

Completely Bonkers · Oct 10, 2011

FreedomEclipse said:
I got my eye on a 120GB Corsair Force 3 SSD anyhoo. 550MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write baby!! so long as i manage to sell off my current SSD or just sit on my ass and wait till i save some more money

Careful with that particular model. Check personal use reviews. The 120GB Corsair Force is a high-fail model. Not worth the risk IMO.

FreedomEclipse · Oct 10, 2011

Completely Bonkers said:
Careful with that particular model. Check personal use reviews. The 120GB Corsair Force is a high-fail model. Not worth the risk IMO.

Earlier batch had a lot of failures - they did a global recall. the new batch is fine

crazyeyesreaper · Oct 10, 2011

not exactly freedom

the sandforce 2280 series controllers still have issues with newer Intel chipsets that cause BSODs and system hangs etc newer firmware helps but the problem still isnt fixed yet and all sandforce 2280 based drives are affected

that means

Corsair
Adata
OCZ
Kingston Hyper X
and many many more are still impacted by these issues

only Samsung, Crucial. Intel are free and clear as far as i am aware. in terms of chipset compatibility

qubit · Oct 10, 2011

FreedomEclipse said:
Ive been told that going from Sata II to Sata III with hard drives is a waste of time.

However, more and more Sata III hard drives are appearing on the market. and im wondering If hard drives are still struggling to make use of all that bandwidth.

If i dont get a new SSD to use as boot drive, then I will most likely get one of these....

WD 750GB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black Hard Drive - 7200RPM 64MB Cache

Seagate 1TB 3.5" Barracuda SATA-III 6Gb/s Hard Drive - 7200RPM 32MB Cache

though Im leaning towards the WD more as it has 64mb cache which should improve performance a fair bit

Has anyone had any experience with Sata III hard drives? If possible id like to see some Atto runs if youd be kind enough to upload some.

SATA 3 is a gimmick for mechanical hard drives yes, as they can't even max out a SATA 2 connection (and I think even the original SATA 1, but don't quote me). However, where you see the old v2 and the new v3 on offer for about the same price, then go for the v3, as it might have better long term chipset compatibility.

For SSD's you will see a benefit to going SATA 3.

FreedomEclipse · Oct 10, 2011

Blah, Im caught in a catch 22 then. I have a Marvell 6GB/s controller on mt board. but i have heard a people saying its limited to 450MB/s

Samsung SSDs arent as widely available here - not yet anyway
as for the Crucial M4's, they seem to have 2 different versions. one that has a R&W of 415MB/s and the other 550MB/s.

the 550MB/s is a lot more expensive then the 120GB Force 3 i was looking at.

INFRNL · Oct 10, 2011

I would just go with the best price for the size drive you want. you will most likely not feel a difference in real world use. SF based drives are still having some issues and will be hit or miss if your drive is affected.
New intel drives coming next month as well, but are SF based; not sure if they will have the same issues though.

Benchmarks look good and appear to show big differences, but is totally different in the realworld.

crazyeyesreaper · Oct 10, 2011

FreedomEclipse said:
Blah, Im caught in a catch 22 then. I have a Marvell 6GB/s controller on mt board. but i have heard a people saying its limited to 450MB/s

Samsung SSDs arent as widely available here - not yet anyway
as for the Crucial M4's, they seem to have 2 different versions. one that has a R&W of 415MB/s and the other 550MB/s.

the 550MB/s is a lot more expensive then the 120GB Force 3 i was looking at.

get the M4 128gb

flash it to the 009 firmware and presto 500+ mb/s read speeds 280mb/s write speeds

and it uses the same controller as the C300 series just tweaked its rock solid stable

its what i was going to get but...

newegg as the Adata S510 120gb SSD on sale for $160 for 120gb of SF 2280 550 read 510 write MIR brings it to $140 for a 120gb SSD i couldnt pass it up if it was for that awesome price id have bought the M4 128 for $195

FreedomEclipse · Oct 10, 2011

crazyeyesreaper said:
get the M4 128gb

flash it to the 009 firmware and presto 500+ mb/s read speeds 280mb/s write speeds

and it uses the same controller as the C300 series just tweaked its rock solid stable

its what i was going to get but...

newegg as the Adata S510 120gb SSD on sale for $160 for 120gb of SF 2280 550 read 510 write MIR brings it to $140 for a 120gb SSD i couldnt pass it up if it was for that awesome price id have bought the M4 128 for $195

Lol nowhere in the UK are you gonna get a M4 for that price unless it was secondhand or a refurb.

128GB M4 goes for $265.

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I wonder why the write speeds are so low though

dr emulator (madmax) · Oct 17, 2011

FreedomEclipse said:
Lol nowhere in the UK are you gonna get a M4 for that price unless it was secondhand or a refurb.

128GB M4 goes for $265.

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I wonder why the write speeds are so low though

same thoughts here, i was going to go with a patriot wildfire but someone here said the sandforce chips seem to have a mind of their own, plus like you i have a marvel controller, so i'm going to wait a while to see how many people here have problems with them, although i'm using xp atm, and have heard the bsod don't seem to bother that o/s (might be that most xp users don't want to splash out that much cash on a ssd :laugh:

)

only time will tell

FreedomEclipse · Oct 17, 2011

dr emulator (madmax) said:
View attachment 43980same thoughts here, i was going to go with a patriot wildfire but someone here said the sandforce chips seem to have a mind of their own, plus like you i have a marvel controller, so i'm going to wait a while to see how many people here have problems with them, although i'm using xp atm, and have heard the bsod don't seem to bother that o/s (might be that most xp users don't want to splash out that much cash on a ssd)

only time will tell

the 009 firmware for the M4 brings the speeds upto 515MB/s and even higher according to the feedback on crucials forums. writespeed is also boosterd but i cant remember how fast people were saying it was.

Tatty_Two · Oct 17, 2011

Go for middle ground, get a Seagate Momentus XT 500GB, size with some decent speed, if you can live with the little idiosyncrasies of course.

FreedomEclipse · Oct 17, 2011

Tatty_One said:
Go for middle ground, get a Seagate Momentus XT 500GB, size with some decent speed, if you can live with the little idiosyncrasies of course.

In that case I might as well make use of the disk caching feature my Z68 board has. all i need is a cheaper Sata III 60GB SSD.

Im considering doing that. but I might need to do a reinstall and thats something i want to avoid

claylomax · Oct 17, 2011

crazyeyesreaper said:
Samsung F4 320gb can hit 140-150mb.s read and average around 110-115mb/s

F3 has an average around 110mb/s

I have that drive. Actually it's just as fast as my WD 600Gb Velociraptor, the only difference is the access time: 13.2 vs 6.9.

Ferrum Master · Oct 17, 2011

FreedomEclipse said:
the 009 firmware for the M4 brings the speeds upto 515MB/s and even higher according to the feedback on crucials forums. writespeed is also boosterd but i cant remember how fast people were saying it was.

I have a 64GB M4... It works flawlessly... read speed indeed boosted to ~500MB with 009 F/W.

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