• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Review Consensus: AMD FX Processor 8150 Underwhelming

Joined
Jul 19, 2008
Messages
1,180 (0.21/day)
Location
Australia
Processor Intel i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Deluxe
Cooling Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120
Memory Corsair Dominator 1866Mhz 4X4GB
Video Card(s) Asus R290X
Storage Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB/Samsung 840 Evo SSD 1TB
Display(s) Samsung S23A950D
Case Corsair 850D
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek
Power Supply Corsair AX850
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Windows 10 x64
AMD seems satisfied to be second best. BUlldozer CPUs will drop in price in the next couple of months, making them more attractive to some people.
 

dieterd

New Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2011
Messages
120 (0.03/day)
System Name The "Average Joe's after work gaming and porn browsing PC"
Processor i5-760 @stock speed
Motherboard Asus P7P55-whatever
Cooling Scythe Mugen2
Memory 2x2GB
Video Card(s) HD6850 Asus
Storage 1TB 7200
Display(s) 23'' samsung
Case Nexus one
Audio Device(s) nope
Power Supply Nexus RX-630(0)
Software Win 7 HP 64bit
damit you AMD, no Sandy price drop hopes for me now! and surely I can expect Sandy-E pricing like ing bad old, competition less, days!
this (Buldozzer) does not even deserve such a name like "Phenom III", because it (FX-8150) can not even beat 1100T and it costs lot more, I think AMD should EOL Bulldozer by the end of this year, rather than Phenom II!
 
Joined
May 7, 2008
Messages
934 (0.16/day)
Location
Texas
System Name Dell inspiron 5570
Processor Intel® Core™ i7-7500U Processor
Motherboard Dell Inc.
Memory SK Hynix 4GB DDR4 SDRAM PC4-19200
Video Card(s) Intel(R) HD Graphics 620
Storage Intel Optane+932GBHDD w/ External Crucial M500 240GB ssd
Display(s) 15.6" w/ Extended display Samsung 27"
Audio Device(s) Realtek Audio
Mouse ONN Wireless
Software Microsoft Windows 10 Home (x64)
Benchmark Scores HaHa yeah right :p
I don't think it is horribly bad. However the power consumption is not what I would have thought. And to me the real kicker is the price I see on the egg. It is somewhat close to the 2500K performance but priced possibly as though Win8 and its hopeful 10-15% gains are already showing. Sort of like having automobiles before gasoline was being refined. :laugh: If possible AMD IMO should put the price equal to the 2500K. If Win8 gives it a gain worth mentioning and more software and games are optimized for heavy multi threading it should sell for quite a bit longer even as newer chips arrive. At least as long as the consumer isn't power conscious. :ohwell:

I really wanted to go back AMD but glad I didnt keep waiting as it appears. Hopefully next version will be more refined. It does appear they may be on to something if they have some good insight to what the developers and so forth are doing the trend may go in their favor.

One question though. Has anyone seen a bench with Bad Company 2 runs? I know BC2 uses multiple cores so it should perform well but would be interested in how it stacked up vs the 2500K.
 
Joined
Dec 8, 2008
Messages
1,334 (0.24/day)
Lesson: don't upgrade to a new board when you don't even know the performance of that new processor you're waiting for.
 
Joined
May 16, 2011
Messages
1,430 (0.30/day)
Location
A frozen turdberg.
System Name Runs Smooth
Processor FX 8350
Motherboard Crosshair V Formula Z
Cooling Corsair H110 with AeroCool Shark 140mm fans
Memory 16GB G-skill Trident X 1866 Cl. 8
Video Card(s) HIS 7970 IceQ X² GHZ Edition
Storage OCZ Vector 256GB SSD & 1Tb piece of crap
Display(s) acer H243H
Case NZXT Phantom 820 matte black
Audio Device(s) Nada
Power Supply NZXT Hale90 V2 850 watt
Software Windows 7 Pro
Benchmark Scores Lesbians are hot!!!
Lesson: don't upgrade to a new board when you don't even know the performance of that new processor you're waiting for.

But I don't regret the board at all. It's the best board for a Phenom II there is. Vishera still has a chance at being decent too, so I still have an upgrade path with it.
 
Joined
Jan 31, 2011
Messages
2,202 (0.46/day)
System Name Ultima
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard MSI Mag B550M Mortar
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 rev4 w/ Ryzen offset mount
Memory G.SKill Ripjaws V 2x16GB DDR4 3600
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 4070 12GB Dual
Storage WD Black SN850X 2TB Gen4, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB , 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD sata,
Display(s) ASUS TUF VG249Q3A 24" 1080p 165-180Hz VRR
Case DarkFlash DLM21 Mesh
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek ALC1200 Audio/Nvidia HD Audio
Power Supply Corsair RM650
Mouse Steelseries Rival 3 Wireless | Wacom Intuos CTH-480
Keyboard A4Tech B314 Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
Joined
Jul 10, 2010
Messages
1,229 (0.25/day)
Location
USA, Arizona
System Name SolarwindMobile
Processor AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling It's Copper.
Memory 2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s) ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s) ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC255
Power Supply PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)
I would love to get 8 Sempron Cores in my system but for $280 no thanks
 
Joined
Jan 11, 2005
Messages
1,491 (0.21/day)
Location
66 feet from the ground
System Name 2nd AMD puppy
Processor FX-8350 vishera
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper TX2
Memory 16 Gb DDR3:8GB Kingston HyperX Beast + 8Gb G.Skill Sniper(by courtesy of tabascosauz &TPU)
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+;1450/2000 Mhz
Storage SSD :840 pro 128 Gb;Iridium pro 240Gb ; HDD 2xWD-1Tb
Display(s) Benq XL2730Z 144 Hz freesync
Case NZXT 820 PHANTOM
Audio Device(s) Audigy SE with Logitech Z-5500
Power Supply Riotoro Enigma G2 850W
Mouse Razer copperhead / Gamdias zeus (by courtesy of sneekypeet & TPU)
Keyboard MS Sidewinder x4
Software win10 64bit ltsc
Benchmark Scores irrelevant for me
maybe were better for amd to improve the 6 core line instead of launching a 8 core desktop cpu

we have many examples of console game ports to pc , bad ports and seems the analogy can be applied in this case from server to desktop;they should focus on quad or six cores and improved them step by step to get closer to intel perf. now they'll loose a lot of money if people due the reviews won't buy.

a home user don't really need 8 cores is like hawing a race car in garage and just running the engine daily inside but never go on track
 
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
1,581 (0.23/day)
Location
Maribor, Slovenia, EU
System Name Core i9 rig / Lenovo laptop
Processor Core i9 10900X / Core i5 8350U
Motherboard Asus Prime X299 Edition 30 / Lenovo motherboard
Cooling Corsair H115i PRO RGB / stock cooler
Memory Gskill 4x8GB 3600mhz / 16GB 2400mhz
Video Card(s) Asus ROG Strix RTX 2080 Super / UHD 620
Storage Samsung SSD 970 PRO 1TB / Samsung OEM 256GB NVMe
Display(s) Dell UltraSharp UP3017 / Full HD IPS touch
Case Coolermaster mastercase H500M
Audio Device(s) Onboard sound
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 1700 watt / Lenovo 65watt power adapter
Mouse Logitech M500s
Keyboard Cherry
Software Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Joined
Jun 20, 2008
Messages
2,859 (0.50/day)
Location
Northants. UK
System Name Bad Moon Ryzen
Processor Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard Asrock B450M Pro4-F
Cooling Vetroo V5
Memory Crucial Ballistix 32Gb (8gb x 4) 3200 MHz DDR 4
Video Card(s) 6700 XT
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1Tb, Samsung 860 Evo 500Gb,WD Black 8Tb, WD Blue 2Tb
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG270bmiix & 4K Samsung TV
Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact w/Dark Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply MSI MPG A850GF (850w)
VR HMD Rift S
Oh dear, oh dear....looks like I'm going Intel for the big build at the start of the year. It's a shame, healthy competition always sparks great pricing.
 
Joined
Feb 19, 2007
Messages
12,453 (1.99/day)
Location
Yankee lost in the Mountains of East TN
Processor 5800x(2)/5700g/5600x/5600g/2700x/1700x/1700
Motherboard MSI B550 Carbon (2)/ MSI z490 Unify/Asus Strix B550-F/MSI B450 Tomahawk (3)
Cooling EK AIO 360 (2)/EK AIO 240, Arctic Cooling Freezer II 280/EVGA CLC 280/Noctua D15/Cryorig M9(2)
Memory 32 GB Ballistix Elite/32 GB TridentZ/16GB Mushkin Redline Black/16 GB Dominator
Video Card(s) Asus Strix RTX3060/EVGA 970(2)/Asus 750 ti/Old Quadros
Storage Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB/WD Black M.2 NVMe 500GB/Adata 500gb NVMe
Display(s) Acer 1080p 22"/ (3) Samsung 22" 1080p
Case (2) Lian Li Lancool II Mesh/Corsair 4000D /Phanteks Eclipse 500a/Be Quiet Pure Base 500/Bones of HAF
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 850G(2)/EVGA Supernova GT 650w/Phantek Amps 750w/Seasonic Focus 750w
Mouse Generic Black wireless (5)
Keyboard Generic Black wireless (5)
Software Win 10/Ubuntu
Ugh. I keep waiting for a reason to go back to AMD. Looks like now is not the time. Power. Consumption. Fail. They had way to long to design this chip to put out a subpar product. I really hope they get their act together. If they don't, we all lose, AMD and Intel fanboys alike.
 
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
5,965 (0.99/day)
Location
New York
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5950x, Ryzen 9 5980HX
Motherboard MSI X570 Tomahawk
Cooling Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4(With Noctua Fans)
Memory 32Gb Crucial 3600 Ballistix
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3080, Asus 6800M
Storage Adata SX8200 1TB NVME/WD Black 1TB NVME
Display(s) Dell 27 Inch 165Hz
Case Phanteks P500A
Audio Device(s) IFI Zen Dac/JDS Labs Atom+/SMSL Amp+Rivers Audio
Power Supply Corsair RM850x
Mouse Logitech G502 SE Hero
Keyboard Corsair K70 RGB Mk.2
VR HMD Samsung Odyssey Plus
Software Windows 10
We can only pray that intel dosen't pull its old game and try to ram up their cpu's prices if piledriver is fail too. :(
 
Joined
Mar 24, 2011
Messages
2,356 (0.50/day)
Location
VT
Processor Intel i7-10700k
Motherboard Gigabyte Aurorus Ultra z490
Cooling Corsair H100i RGB
Memory 32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200MHz
Video Card(s) MSI Gaming Trio X 3070 LHR
Display(s) ASUS MG278Q / AOC G2590FX
Case Corsair X4000 iCue
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair RM650x 650W Fully Modular
Software Windows 10

Take a look at this page;
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_gameplay_performance_review/5

If you can't spot the problem, god save you. I refuse to believe ~30% OC causes an 8% decrease in Average FPS. Clearly something is funky with their testing.

We can only pray that intel dosen't pull its old game and try to ram up their cpu's prices if piledriver is fail too. :(

When have they ever done that? Intel always starts their CPU's out at higher price points because they offer better performance. Sandy Bridge at this point was still a wiser upgrade choice than BD is\was.
 
Joined
Oct 13, 2011
Messages
28 (0.01/day)
Ok, i only want processor for rendering, using Blender with internal, Cycles and LuxRender on Linux.

Where are linux tests anyway ? And some real renders, not that c-bench(why even bother with it, it lies so much).

Where i live i7 2600k is 305$ without cooler(though maybe i'll buy without oc feature). Is it worth to pay about 100$(proc+mb) more for i7 ?

The reason i want some real tests(no benchmarks) on both linux and windows is the real difference most of times is pretty big:



 
Joined
Sep 4, 2009
Messages
974 (0.18/day)
System Name Grond
Processor Ryen 5 3600x PBO ~ 4.4GHz / fabric at 1900
Motherboard MSI b550 Tomahawk
Cooling XSPC Raystorm CPU w/ am4 mounting bracket+ 2 RX360 radiator + xspc Razor R9-290 w/ backplate
Memory 32gb Crucial Ballistix @ 3800
Video Card(s) XFX R9 290 w/ XSPC Razor full cover block and backplate
Storage WD SN850 1tb-OS, SN750 1tb, Samsung 860 Evo 1tb, WD blue hdd 4tb
Display(s) Samsung 23" 120hz 3d LCD w/ 3d glasses, using 'lightboost' trick
Case NZXT H630 white watercooling case
Audio Device(s) Onboard realtek ALC 1200+ Sennheiser HD 598
Power Supply XFX Pro 850 XXX semi-modular
Mouse Logitech G703 Wireless
Keyboard Steelseries 6 v2
Software Windows 10 Pro (Had some mystery error on Win7 and decided to go W10)
Most of these enthusiast sites are Windows only.
You may need to wait for Phoronix or someone else to put the FX chip through its paces in a Linux environment. Looks like they didn't get a review sample, though.

But they did link back to this thread for their members to see what Bulldozer is like on Windows.
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
26,956 (3.71/day)
Processor Ryzen 7 5700X
Memory 48 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 4080
Storage 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
Am I missing something here? Don't you think a million dollar company and the only competing company for intel would have ran some tests and seen the performance? I think so too! So either AMD is F***ing retarted or they had a plan.

amd's plan is to release what they released now. this will make intel engineers fall asleep, cash in on their stock options or go for early retirement. once intel is at its weakest, amd will unleash the real bulldozer cores (via software update) and catch intel with a netburst-athlon64 left-right combo. intel stock price drops to negative values so amd can buy intel and gets money for saving humanity.

now the secret is out and amd secret service will come and kill me for revealing their plan for world domination
 

Wrigleyvillain

PTFO or GTFO
Joined
Oct 13, 2007
Messages
7,702 (1.28/day)
Location
Chicago
System Name DarkStar
Processor i5 3570K 4.4Ghz
Motherboard Asrock Z77 Extreme 3
Cooling Apogee HD White/XSPC Razer blocks
Memory 8GB Samsung Green 1600
Video Card(s) 2 x GTX 670 4GB
Storage 2 x 120GB Samsung 830
Display(s) 27" QNIX
Case Enthoo Pro
Power Supply Seasonic Platinum 760
Mouse Steelseries Sensei
Keyboard Ducky Pro MX Black
Software Windows 8.1 x64
If only this were true.
 
Joined
May 18, 2010
Messages
3,427 (0.68/day)
System Name My baby
Processor Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.5GHz, 1.45v, NB @ 2700Mhz, HT @ 2700Mhz - 24hr prime95 stable
Motherboard Asus M4A785TD-V EVO
Cooling Sonic Tower Rev 2 with 120mm Akasa attached, Akasa @ Front, Xilence Red Wing 120mm @ Rear
Memory 8 GB G.Skills 1600Mhz
Video Card(s) ATI ASUS Crossfire 5850
Storage Crucial MX100 SATA 2.5 SSD
Display(s) Lenovo ThinkVision 27" (LEN P27h-10)
Case Antec VSK 2000 Black Tower Case
Audio Device(s) Onkyo TX-SR309 Receiver, 2x Kef Cresta 1, 1x Kef Center 20c
Power Supply OCZ StealthXstream II 600w, 4x12v/18A, 80% efficiency.
Software Windows 10 Professional 64-bit

nINJAkECIL

New Member
Joined
Oct 18, 2007
Messages
233 (0.04/day)
Processor i7 3770K@4.7ghz
Motherboard MSI Z77A-GD65
Cooling Thermalright Venomous X black
Memory V-GEN 4x4GB DDR3
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX-560Ti
Storage Crucial M4 64GB | WD Green 1TB | Seagate 1TB | Seagate 500GB
Display(s) Viewsonic VA2013WM
Case Corsair Carbide 400R
Audio Device(s) Audigy 2ZS Platinum
Power Supply Corsair AX750W
Software Win7 x64
Benchmark Scores http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=371985
amd's plan is to release what they released now. this will make intel engineers fall asleep, cash in on their stock options or go for early retirement. once intel is at its weakest, amd will unleash the real bulldozer cores (via software update) and catch intel with a netburst-athlon64 left-right combo. intel stock price drops to negative values so amd can buy intel and gets money for saving humanity.

now the secret is out and amd secret service will come and kill me for revealing their plan for world domination
I don't even wanna imagined when AMD dominate the world of cpu.

Seriously, I can tolerate the performance of BD compared to SB. I already sense that AMD can't deliver, judging from the over-hype marketing. But, that power consumption is what I can't tolerate.

Oh, I see now why the RED color on AMD FX cpus are for.

They should also change the color of their logo, from green to red.
 

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,280 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
26,956 (3.71/day)
Processor Ryzen 7 5700X
Memory 48 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 4080
Storage 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
If it were, I'd be helping w1z setup his hideout/cottage in the Himalayas.

but mr. witness protection ... i want sun, beach and bikinis :(
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2010
Messages
2,972 (0.61/day)
System Name Old Fart / Young Dude
Processor 2500K / 6600K
Motherboard ASRock P67Extreme4 / Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 DDR3
Cooling CM Hyper TX3 / CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 16 GB Kingston HyperX / 16 GB G.Skill Ripjaws X
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti / INNO3D RTX 2060
Storage SSD, some WD and lots of Samsungs
Display(s) BenQ GW2470 / LG UHD 43" TV
Case Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced / Thermaltake Core v31
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar D1/Denon PMA500AE/Wharfedale D 10.1/ FiiO D03K/ JBL LSR 305
Power Supply Corsair TX650 / Corsair TX650M
Mouse Steelseries Rival 100 / Rival 110
Keyboard Sidewinder/ Steelseries Apex 150
Software Windows 10 / Windows 10 Pro
amd's plan is to release what they released now. this will make intel engineers fall asleep, cash in on their stock options or go for early retirement. once intel is at its weakest, amd will unleash the real bulldozer cores (via software update) and catch intel with a netburst-athlon64 left-right combo. intel stock price drops to negative values so amd can buy intel and gets money for saving humanity.

now the secret is out and amd secret service will come and kill me for revealing their plan for world domination

As we speak right now half of the Intel engineers that are not sent in a paid vacation to Hawaii, so the ones that still have to be at work but are bored to death, have found a new occupation while pretending to work on Ivy Bridge. From their fat wages and bonuses they managed to put some money aside and bought some FX 8150 (that's why there's no availability) and while at work they compete in overclocking these new beasts.
 
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
4,355 (0.94/day)
Location
Mexico
System Name Dell-y Driver
Processor Core i5-10400
Motherboard Asrock H410M-HVS
Cooling Intel 95w stock cooler
Memory 2x8 A-DATA 2999Mhz DDR4
Video Card(s) UHD 630
Storage 1TB WD Green M.2 - 4TB Seagate Barracuda
Display(s) Asus PA248 1920x1200 IPS
Case Dell Vostro 270S case
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Dell 220w
Software Windows 10 64bit
Hardware Heaven shows Bulldozer in a positive light. They give it 9/10 overall.

In particular it shows Bulldozer beating the i7 2600k in games. How can this be?

Deus EX
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...i7-2600k-review-deus-ex-human-revolution.html

F1 2011
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...rocessor-vs-core-i7-2600k-review-f1-2011.html

Shogun Total War 2
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...-core-i7-2600k-review-total-war-shogun-2.html


The FX-8150 is faster in some and slower in others. That is to be expected given the number of threads. What people didn't expect was that even the older Phenom II manages to beat it in lot of benchmarks.

If the 8150 had beaten the old Phenom II X6 consistently and traded blows with the 2500K/2600K I'm sure that people would be pleased, but its erratic performance prevents people from making a full recommendation. Whenever you'd want to get an FX will depend on what you want to do with it.

Not to mention the power consumption but with so much cache I think it was unavoidable.
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
17,866 (3.00/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Black 4TB | WD Blue 6TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) | Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair AX1600i
Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard Yes
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
As we speak right now half of the Intel engineers that are not sent in a paid vacation to Hawaii, so the ones that still have to be at work but are bored to death, have found a new occupation while pretending to work on Ivy Bridge. From their fat wages and bonuses they managed to put some money aside and bought some FX 8150 (that's why there's no availability) and while at work they compete in overclocking these new beasts.

Ah, so deeply, deeply cynical. Brilliant. :D

Yeah, I'm pretty pissed off too that BD isn't what it should be. Giving the product such a hard-nut codename makes it all the more embarrassing, too.
 
Top