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Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample Silent FX w/ 24/8 pipes/vertex

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Hello,

(Uploaded Photo Of Card Memory In My Last Post)

I need to do a cleanup on my well used Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample Silent FX AGP graphics card but unfortunately I only have the card I'm using in my computer at the moment and no money to buy a new card to replace while I'm cleaning...putting down new thermal compound, cleaning dust from fan, etc. The thermal pads on the VRAM (512MB) are dirty and falling apart so I realized I needed to replace the thermal pads but I never measured the vram chip dimensions that last time I took apart the card to clean and put down new thermal compound for better cooling results.

I see that computer supply stores have small sheets of the thermal compound pads in all kinds of different measurements. Since I only have one G card I'm unable to take out the card and measure the vram without going without my computer...which is not possible since I work from home on my computer...and do not have a backup Comp. Right now money is tight but I should buy a small inexpensive laptop in the near future to use just in case I need to do work on my desktop and this puts it out of commission.

Does anyone here know what the measurement is for a single DDR (VRAM) memory chip on the Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample Silent FX AGP graphics card? Any help would be truly appreciated. Cheers

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you dont need to know the dimensions. the thermal tape is a compressible material - if its too thick, it squishes out of the way. if its too thin, use two pieces.

just make sure you get the 'pad' style and not the adhesive (paper thin) kind, since i doubt it uses that.
 
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Hey m1dg3t,

What software is telling you that the memory for the Gainward 7800GS+ is 14mm x 14mm? I'd certainly like to check it out.

I noticed that the thermal pads I viewed online are only made of silicone...no tape or adhesive on each side to adhere to chip and heatsink. The compound gets drippy as temp rises so heatsink could easily slip off. I think that these thermal pads are used when the heatsink is attached by pushpins or screws so that no adhesive needs to be used to keep the heatsink connected to the pad and the pad to the chip.

The pads I found online measure 14mm x 14mm so they would be fine for mem of 15mm x 15mm I think. Although I'd rather get the thermal pads with adhesive on both sides to ensure nothing becoming loose or falling off.

I do notice that the pads on the Gainward 7800GS+ have tape or paper of some sort on both sides and the thermal paste is in the middle. I'm wondering what thermal solution one would use if graphics card used the single large pushpin heatsinks to cover all 4 chips...no tape would be needed but I'm also wondering why one would not just squeeze a small amt of some arctic thermal paste onto the chips and then attach the pushpin heatsink? Instead of using the thermal pads, one's with or without adhesive.

I'm thinking that the pads are designed to protect the memory chips from the pressure of a copper plate on top of the chip...a sort of cushioning effect. And not necessarily to allow for more efficient heat transfer from the memory chip to the thermal pad (silicone) and through to the top of the heatsink blades.

Maybe if you have pushpin heatsinks for memory chips it is better to use just a tiny bit of arctic paste on the chip and then pushpin down the heatsink on top. But I'd be worried about pressue if the heatsink did not fit over the entire row of 4 chips evenly due to slight warping of pcb board over time. Maybe the thermal pads exist to fill in small gaps due to slight PCB board warping so contact is made along entire surface of mem chips with heatsink?

I find it strange though that many of the agp cards I've viewed leave the memory chips without any heatsink coverage or thermal pads at all, even some 512MB agp cards I've viewed have completely uncovered memory chips. To cover the gpu but not the memory chips seems a bit weird to me, since both the gpu and the memory chips get hot.

I've also been wondering about how I can boost the fan speed for the cooler to 100%. The fan speed settings are in the bios but since rivatuner can OC the card, I'm surprised that I've been unable to find a way for rivatuner to boost fan speed to 100%. Esp since this card was designed by Gainward for OC'ing. How to safely overclock the card when you are unable to get the fan speed to 100% seems a serious issue. And the silent FX cooler does a poor job of keeping the gpu cool. I'm running on standby at 55 degrees Celsius...seems like it should be closer to 45 than 55 when barely being used.

Maybe you know of a software that I can use to set the cards fan speed to max (100%). I'd rather keep the card as cool as possible than worry about fan noise. I usually have earphones on listening to music when programming, web designing and whatnot so the noise I do not hear at all.

I viewed a page describing how one can alter the card bios to allow for higher clock MHz and greater fan speeds...OC'ing the card through altering the bios, but I'd feel much more comfortable with doing this if I had a backup agp card with the same power to exchange without issue just in case bios alter when awry.

Thank you for your response to my initial question. Any other suggestions you may have regarding the above questions would also be truly appreciated. It's certainly time for me to upgrade to a newer computer. But since money is tight at the moment, I'll have to look into selling off some of my belongings to pay for new comp. Cheers


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Hey Mussels,

I wanted to know what the L x W of the memory so as to get a pad and heatsink that will exactly cover the chips without manipulation or extra pressure. The thickness I was not concerned about although the original pads on the copper plate for the card look like standard 1mm thickness. But thank you for your response. Learn something new every day.
 

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Hey Mussels,

I wanted to know what the L x W of the memory so as to get a pad and heatsink that will exactly cover the chips without manipulation or extra pressure. The thickness I was not concerned about although the original pads on the copper plate for the card look like standard 1mm thickness. But thank you for your response. Learn something new every day.

if its too big, cut it with a pair of scissors. if its too small, it probably wont matter.


as you've already said - most times the RAM runs naked anyway without any trouble. it gets hot because its not cooled by airflow at all, GPU's put out heaps more heat.
 
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The old GDDR3 chips can get rather hot by themselves, unless I volt modded the ones on my old 7800 GS too high. But yeah, I'd say they are roughly the size of GDDR5 chips if I remember right.
 

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Hey Jstn7477,

I thought so...regarding how hot the memory chips get. Do you think I should use the thermal pads (14mm x 14mm x 1mm) with the memory chips and individual heatsinks for each chip or go for the single pushpin heatsinks that are designed to cover 4 memory chips...should I use the pads with the single large pushpin heatsink or use arctic thermal compound?
 
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I had a BFG 7800 GS 256MB (G70 based) and it had a backplate with thermal pads for the four chips on the back, and that got burning hot. Some independent BGA heatsinks should be alright I suppose, if you have decent airflow going over them.
 

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Hey Jstn7477,

I've seen the bga copper heatsinks. I noticed there are two types available...high profile and low profile. Which due you think I should use?

Enzotech BMR-C1 BGA Copper Heatsinks and

Enzotech BCC9 (BMR-C1L) Low Profile Copper BGA Heatsink
 

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Hello m1dg3t,

I took a few photographs of my card when I first cleaned it up and the memory is clearly not square (14mm x 14mm). I'd post a photo here but the jpeg is on my computer and I don't have a url to upload from. Does anyone here know what DDR3 memory dimensions are f for this Gainward 7800GS+ card from 2005?


http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52394&stc=1&d=1378022900

Use a ruler to measure :rolleyes:

Buy thermal tape, cut it to size, and continue from there. Most of the time they sell much more thermal tape than you need for an application anyway.

Length of the graphics card is about 1257 pixels, and the short side is about 70 pixels. Long side is about 83 pixels. Measure the length of your card, do the ratio and you will get a rough estimate. It doesn't need to be exact, you can buy slightly bigger to be safe.
 
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Hey guys,

If anyone knows the Length x Width measurement of the memory chips (DDR3) for the Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample Card It would be of great help for me to know this info.

I'm a partial quadriplegic so I don't have the hand dexterity to cut up large single thermal pads without making a serious mess. It's of big help to have pre-cut pads very close to the exact size of the memory chips due to the paralysis.

I would like to say thank you to all those members here that responded to my questions with advice and or answers. Truly appreciated.

Have a happy labor day!:)
 
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The package is 14mm*11mm according to the datasheet.
 

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Hey Jstn7477,

Could you email me the data sheet. I'd like to check out the other various specs. Also...Thank you so much for the info. What a relief. I was picturing myself trying to cut up a single large thermal pad with scissors and repeatedly dropping the scissors. Thanx again.

Sincerely,

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Hey Jstn7477, Revin,

Thank you for the help. The pdf you left a link to here Jstn7477, gave me all the info I needed. Thanx so much. knowing the exact chip measurement is going to be of great help. The thermal pad seller is willing to cut the pads to exact chip L x W for me. Saves me from fumbling with scissors.

:toast:Thank you to all the members here that responded to my initial questions with kindness. Cheers To All,

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Hello,

I've finished replacing thermal tape and cleaning and replacing thermal paste. The problem I found with the Gainward Bliss 7800+ is that gainward limited the cooling fan speed to 50% max in the bios.

I'll need to go into the bios and edit the bios to allow the cooling fan to run at 100% all the time. Can anyone here help me with doing this? Software I'll need to edit the bios fan speed and how exactly to do this?

My computer is already quite noisy so I don't mind any extra noise. Max Cooling is of paramount importance, esp from the graphics card.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't understand why Gainward would limit the cooling fan speed of a overclockable card to 50%. Actually I do know why...money I suppose.

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