New laptop choices

Gilletter · Sep 20, 2013

What would you choose between these 2 and why.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CU9GKUS/?tag=tec06d-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DWGT7KI/?tag=tec06d-20

shovenose · Sep 20, 2013

HP sucks. MSI doesn't. Problem solved.

Melvis · Sep 20, 2013

The MSI would be better quality and reliability over the HP. But it would all depend on which one would have the better GPU performance over all? Im not to sure to say if anyone else might know?

Id also look underneath of both machines to see the design to see what has better cooling, better accessibility to the hardware etc

Im very picky when it comes to laptops, I see WAY to many go through me that are Dead!!

jgunning · Sep 20, 2013

Gilletter said:
What would you choose between these 2 and why.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CU9GKUS/?tag=tec06d-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DWGT7KI/?tag=tec06d-20

I would go msi..I actually just bought the MSI GE40..been very happy with it. But the a10 is decent and also the speed of the hard drive in the msi is 7200 RPM where as the Hp's is only 5400 rpm on its 1tb..

JG :toast:

Arjai · Sep 20, 2013

MSI, the i7 is the shit, in the HP but... MSI and ASUS are much better in quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Gamers-G75VW-AH71-17-3-Inch-Gaming/dp/B009M2XB3U/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1379650207&sr=1-1&keywords=asus+gaming+laptop

RoG by ASUS, is the one I would get.

2 cents. :toast:

Mussels · Sep 21, 2013

just pitching in to say my HP laptop is awesome, and they arent as shit as people say. i do need to replace my CPU fan (it rattles when cold, bad bearing) but the laptop itself is wonderufl.

Arjai · Sep 21, 2013

Mussels said:
just pitching in to say my HP laptop is awesome, and they arent as shit as people say. i do need to replace my CPU fan (it rattles when cold, bad bearing) but the laptop itself is wonderufl.

Aside from an annoying rattle from the CPU fan buried inside my laptop, it's GREAT!

Does anybody else see the irony? :wtf:

Gilletter · Sep 22, 2013

leaning towards the MSI, but I have to get the wife onboard with spending that much. She sees the $399 laptops and wonders why I can't get that... lol

shovenose · Sep 22, 2013

Mussels said:
just pitching in to say my HP laptop is awesome, and they arent as shit as people say. i do need to replace my CPU fan (it rattles when cold, bad bearing) but the laptop itself is wonderufl.

Not trying to be rude, but from the standpoint of an employee at a computer recycling center and repair shop, HP is the absolutely worst in terms of build quality, repairability, and reliability.

cameronh779 · Sep 22, 2013

Honestly i would see if you can justify spending the extra 250 on the MSI.

Kursah · Sep 22, 2013

A classmate of mine has an MSI very similar to that one. Got hit by a car last week. Laptop was in his pack. It was acting a little odd at first, but no visible signs of damage. Reseated the memory, and all seems to be fine at this point. I'm sure fractures will pop up in the PCB later-on though. I'd vote for MSI on that, and I've had more issues to fix with HP laptops hardware-wise than any other laptop...but maybe that's just because there's more of them out on the market?

I will note that my cheap $379 Asus K55N has been an amazing little laptop...gaming capable at mid to mid-hi settngs most newer games...the AMD APU is sweet! Nothing compared to what you're getting..but I didn't need the power for a homework laptop...just something to let me get my RTS on from time-to-time..play the good games when I get home.

:toast:

Mussels · Sep 22, 2013

Arjai said:
Aside from an annoying rattle from the CPU fan buried inside my laptop, it's GREAT!

Does anybody else see the irony?

it still works fine, and its only when the laptop is cold/first start up. seriously this is TPU, replacing a fan is not hard.

Kursah · Sep 22, 2013

Mussels said:
it still works fine, and its only when the laptop is cold/first start up. seriously this is TPU, replacing a fan is not hard.

That's the "can do" attitude and that's why I've been a returning visitor since the 2000's! If ya gotta fix it, then dammit take it apart and fix it! I don't mind getting payed decently to do it for those that don't wanna though. :rockout:

Arjai · Sep 22, 2013

Mussels said:
it still works fine, and its only when the laptop is cold/first start up. seriously this is TPU, replacing a fan is not hard.

I was just ribbing you a bit BUT, at the same time...a better quality build would include a non-rattling fan.

Just saying what a bunch of others, two? three?, have been saying. HP's are not of the best-est quality standards. I see them all the time, at the pawn shops, real cheap. Next to Acers pulling down good cash.

I had a work PC, briefly, that was an HP. It ran great but, felt cheap. I was always afraid it was gonna break! I hated that job and when I gave them back their HP, they wanted to charge me for scratching the back cover!

Well, I called a friend, a lawyer. End.

kiddagoat · Sep 22, 2013

To the OP,

I would lean more on the MSI than the HP but I would also take this into consideration... that 8970M is going to be gimped by that A10. It is not going to do Hybrid X-fire and the CPU really can't keep up with that GPU. I believe Anandtech and another site, I want to say, Hardwarecanucks both reviewed that unit and had the same results. The HP is actually more balanced but that GPU is more of a mid range GPU. HP does not use MXM GPU modules in their units just in case you ever wanted to upgrade it later. If you could get by with a 15 inch laptop, there is more balanced units available at similar or better prices.

That AMD APU holds that card back quite a bit. Over that is not a bad deal but I would look at something more balanced for a $1225-$1325 system. That GPU alone is about $500 on eBay (from Eurocom) when you upgrade a system.

I would look at something with an i7 and a 675M or possibly a 7970M for more balance. Just my two cents...

**SIDE NOTE** BTW I have noticed alot more laptop questions coming about... I would appreciate as a community if we wouldn't look down on the likes of HP and Dell just because... Laptops are not the custom desktops most of us here have. They are entirely different. As both an ASP for many vendors as well as modifying my own laptop, the vendors are all about equal. They do make good stuff and yes like every company there are those models that are like just... well... duds, every company has them.

Have you ever tried to order a part from ASUS for one of their laptops??? Nightmare, takes 2-3 weeks... Sony... their parts are about 4x more expensive than others... Toshiba and Acer are good value if you need to repair them, the parts aren't ridiculous. HP and Dell two day everything, Apple overnights everything. Work as an ASP or do some research before bashing a vendor..... damn fanboys. **END SIDE NOTE**

janeparker · Sep 24, 2013

I would say go for a MSI, these are better than HP.

AbbotAngus12 · Sep 27, 2013

Id also look for both devices to see the style. What has better quality in every aspect, better availability to the components etc.

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Gilletter · Oct 6, 2013

still leaning towards MSI but the wife isn't on board yet... go figure! thanks for the input, I was trying to show her that there is a difference and you get what you pay for... I hate HP but wanted to show it to her too

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 6, 2013

Mussels said:
just pitching in to say my HP laptop is awesome, and they arent as shit as people say. i do need to replace my CPU fan (it rattles when cold, bad bearing) but the laptop itself is wonderufl.

Yeah I don't see what people are saying about HP being crappy. Unless they have had one of their laptop and they weren't happy with it, they are being led blind. They seem pretty nice, especially some of their higher performing ultra books.

OP: Id go HP. I like the sleeker design of the HPs then the massive boat anchor of the MSI.

maksic87 · Oct 7, 2013

+1 on the bad quality of HP. Vote for MSI

No offense but i work in a PC repair shop and boy do the HP come. Have like 3 of 5 laptops coming for repair with the big old HP on them

Ja.KooLit · Oct 7, 2013

ill vote as well MSI.... had a bad experience with HP

it stop working after 1 year and 1 month..... just a month after 1 year warranty...

No more HP for me.....

kn00tcn · Oct 7, 2013

maksic87 said:
+1 on the bad quality of HP. Vote for MSI No offense but i work in a PC repair shop and boy do the HP come. Have like 3 of 5 laptops coming for repair with the big old HP on them

because more people buy HP & the masses dont treat their computers properly?

companywise, i vote for BOTH, i'm satisfied with the HP laptops i've tried & mine is an MSI

but look at the specs... 8970m vs 750m? although the cpu & hard drive are better on the envy

another thing to consider is the cooling, i'm not sure how hot that envy gets, while msi is roomy & has a 'max fan' button (i was using that earlier while playing bf4 beta, i7-2670m, gtx 570m)

System Name	Prebuilt - because covid...
Processor	Intel Core i7-11700F
Motherboard	Gigabyte b560 ds3h ac-y1
Cooling	Cooler Master 212 BE
Memory	16 GB
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3060 Ti
Storage	1 TB Wd, 500 SSD
Display(s)	27in Curved Samsung
Case	CyberpowerPC
Audio Device(s)	-
Power Supply	Antec NeoECO C 520 watt
Software	Win 8.1 Pro
Benchmark Scores	3DMark Score 7754.0 3DMarks Graphics Score 8392.0 Physics Score 6498.0 Combined Score 6062.0

System Name	Sierra ~ Server
Processor	Core i5-11600K ~ Core i3-12100
Motherboard	Asus Prime B560M-A AC ~ MSI PRO B760M-P
Cooling	CM 212 Black RGB Edition ~ Intel Stock Cooler
Memory	64GB (2x 32GB) DDR4-3600 ~ 32GB (4x 8GB) DDR4-3200
Video Card(s)	XFX Radeon RX 6950 XT ~ EVGA GeForce GTX 970
Storage	4TB Samsung 990 Pro with Heatsink NVMe SSD ~ 2TB Kingston NV1 NVMe SSD + 500GB WD Blue SATA SSD
Display(s)	2x Dell S2721QS 4K 60Hz ~ N/A
Case	Asus Prime AP201 - Open Frame Chassis
Power Supply	Thermaltake GF1 850W ~ Thermaltake Smart 500W
Software	Windows 11 Pro ~ Proxmox VE
Benchmark Scores	Laptops: Dell Latitude E7270, Dell Latitude 14 Rugged 5420.

System Name	Night Rider \| Mini LAN PC \| Workhorse
Processor	AMD R7 5800X3D \| Ryzen 1600X \| i7 970
Motherboard	MSi AM4 Pro Carbon \| GA- \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling	Noctua U9S Twin Fan\| Stock Cooler, Copper Core)\| Big shairkan B
Memory	2x8GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws 3600MHz\| 2x8GB Corsair 3000 \| 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s)	MSI AMD 6750XT \| 6500XT \| MSI RX 580 8GB
Storage	1TB WD Black NVME / 250GB SSD /2TB WD Black \| 500GB SSD WD, 2x1TB, 1x750 \| WD 500 SSD/Seagate 320
Display(s)	LG 27" 1440P\| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" \| 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case	LIAN LI PC-18 \| Mini ATX Case (custom) \| Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s)	Onboard \| Onbaord \| Onboard
Power Supply	Silverstone 850 \| Silverstone Mini 450W \| Corsair CX-750
Mouse	Coolermaster Pro \| Rapoo V900 \| Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard	MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 \| Creative Fatal1ty eluminx \| Some POS Logitech
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home

Processor	Intel® Core i5 6600
Motherboard	Asus H170 Pro Gaming
Cooling	Hyper 212 Evo
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 2400mhz
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Geforce GTX 960 G1 4GB Gaming
Storage	256GB Intel SSD 525 Series
Display(s)	24" LG LED Monitor
Case	Corsair Carbide 200R
Power Supply	Seasonic MK12II 620W
Mouse	Logitech G5
Keyboard	Logitech G110
Software	Windows 10 x64

System Name	Bay2- Lowerbay/ HP 3770/T3500-2+T3500-3+T3500-4/ Opti-Con/Orange/White/Grey
Processor	i3 2120's/ i7 3770/ x5670's/ i5 2400/Ryzen 2700/Ryzen 2700/R7 3700x
Motherboard	HP UltraSlim's/ HP mid size/ Dell T3500 workstation's/ Dell 390/B450 AorusM/B450 AorusM/B550 AorusM
Cooling	All stock coolers/Grey has an H-60
Memory	2GB/ 4GB/ 12 GB 3 chan/ 4GB sammy/T-Force 16GB 3200/XPG 16GB 3000/Ballistic 3600 16GB
Video Card(s)	HD2000's/ HD 2000/ 1 MSI GT710,2x MSI R7 240's/ HD4000/ Red Dragon 580/Sapphire 580/Sapphire 580
Storage	?HDD's/ 500 GB-er's/ 500 GB/2.5 Samsung 500GB HDD+WD Black 1TB/ WD Black 500GB M.2/Corsair MP600 M.2
Display(s)	1920x1080/ ViewSonic VX24568 between the rest/1080p TV-Grey
Case	HP 8200 UltraSlim's/ HP 8200 mid tower/Dell T3500's/ Dell 390/SilverStone Kublai KL06/NZXT H510 W x2
Audio Device(s)	Sonic Master/ onboard's/ Beeper's!
Power Supply	19.5 volt bricks/ Dell PSU/ 525W sumptin/ same/Seasonic 750 80+Gold/EVGA 500 80+/Antec 650 80+Gold
Mouse	cheap GigaWire930, CMStorm Havoc + Logitech M510 wireless/iGear usb x2/MX 900 wireless kit 4 Grey
Keyboard	Dynex, 2 no name, SYX and a Logitech. All full sized and USB. MX900 kit for Grey
Software	Mint 18 Sylvia/ Opti-Con Mint KDE/ T3500's on Kubuntu/HP 3770 is Win 10/Win 10 Pro/Win 10 Pro/Win10
Benchmark Scores	World Community Grid is my benchmark!!

New laptop choices

Gilletter

shovenose

Melvis

jgunning

Arjai

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

Arjai

Gilletter

shovenose

cameronh779

Kursah

Super Moderator

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator

Kursah

Super Moderator

Arjai

kiddagoat

janeparker

New Member

AbbotAngus12

New Member

Gilletter

MxPhenom 216

ASIC Engineer

maksic87

Ja.KooLit

kn00tcn

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

Processor	Ryzen 7 3700x 8 Core - No All Core OC, just PBO.
Motherboard	Asus Prime B450M-A II
Cooling	AresGame River 5 Single Tower Air Cooler
Memory	16GB DDR4 @ 3200MHz
Video Card(s)	PNY Blower 1080TI - Undervolted 800mv 1700mhz effective.
Storage	1TB Silicon Power A60 Boot Drive / 1TB HDD 7200RPM / 256GB Plextor SATA SSD
Display(s)	27'' Sceptre 165Hz 1080p
Case	Zalman Z3 ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply	Thermaltake Toughpower GX1 600W
Mouse	Razer Deathadder V2
Keyboard	Steelseries Apex 3 Membrane Keyboard
Software	Windows 10

System Name	Kursah's Gaming Rig 2018 (2022 Upgrade) - Ryzen+ Edition \| Gaming Laptop (Lenovo Legion 5i Pro 2022)
Processor	R7 5800X @ Stock \| i7 12700H @ Stock
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming BIOS 6203\| Legion 5i Pro NM-E231
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S Push-Pull + NT-H1 \| Stock Cooling
Memory	TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32GB (2x16) DDR4 4000 @ 3600 18-20-20-42 1.35v \| 32GB DDR5 4800 (2x16)
Video Card(s)	Palit GeForce RTX 4070 JetStream 12GB \| CPU-based Intel Iris XE + RTX 3070 8GB 150W
Storage	4TB SP UD90 NVME, 960GB SATA SSD, 2TB HDD \| 1TB Samsung OEM NVME SSD + 4TB Crucial P3 Plus NVME SSD
Display(s)	Acer 28" 4K VG280K x2 \| 16" 2560x1600 built-in
Case	Corsair 600C - Stock Fans on Low \| Stock Metal/Plastic
Audio Device(s)	Aune T1 mk1 > AKG K553 Pro + JVC HA-RX 700 (Equalizer APO + PeaceUI) \| Bluetooth Earbuds (BX29)
Power Supply	EVGA 750G2 Modular + APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 \| 300W OEM (heavy use) or Lenovo Legion C135W GAN (light)
Mouse	Logitech G502 \| Logitech M330
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Core RGB \| Built in Keyboard (Lenovo laptop KB FTW)
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64 \| Windows 11 Home x64

System Name	Desktop
Processor	Intel i7 13700K
Motherboard	MSI Z790 Tomahawk D4
Cooling	Corsair XC7 Block / Corsair XG7 Block EK 360PE Radiator EK 120XE Radiator 5x EK Vadar Furious Fans
Memory	64GB Corsair Dominator DDR4-3200
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio
Storage	1TB WD Black SN850 / 4TB Inland Premium / 8TB WD Black HDD
Display(s)	Alienware AW3821DW / ASUS TUF VG279QM
Case	Lian-Li Dynamic 011 XL ROG
Audio Device(s)	Razer Nommo Pro Speakers / Creative AE-9 w/ Beyerdynamic MMX 300
Power Supply	EVGA P2 1200W Platinum
Mouse	Razer Naga Pro
Keyboard	Deathstalker Pro

System Name	Ryzen Reflection
Processor	AMD Ryzen 9 5900x
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master
Cooling	2x EK PE360 \| TechN AM4 AMD Block Black \| EK Quantum Vector Trinity GPU Nickel + Plexi
Memory	Teamgroup T-Force Xtreem 2x16GB B-Die 3600 @ 14-14-14-28-42-288-2T 1.45v
Video Card(s)	Zotac AMP HoloBlack RTX 3080Ti 12G \| 950mV 1950Mhz
Storage	WD SN850 500GB (OS) \| Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (Games_1) \| Samsung 970 Evo 1TB (Games_2)
Display(s)	Asus XG27AQM 240Hz G-Sync Fast-IPS \| Gigabyte M27Q-P 165Hz 1440P IPS \| Asus 24" IPS (portrait mode)
Case	Lian Li PC-011D XL \| Custom cables by Cablemodz
Audio Device(s)	FiiO K7 \| Sennheiser HD650 + Beyerdynamic FOX Mic
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime Ultra Platinum 850
Mouse	Razer Viper v2 Pro
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition
Software	Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit

System Name	Black Dragon Chief
Processor	AMD Phenom II 955 (gift from a friend)
Motherboard	Asus M4A79 Deluxe (gift from a friendi)
Cooling	Stock Phenom II Cooler
Memory	Kingston 2x2gb
Video Card(s)	Sapphire 6670 1gb DDR3
Storage	Segate baracuda 500gb
Display(s)	Samsung SyncMaster SA100
Case	Chieftec BA-02B-B-B
Audio Device(s)	Realtek® ALC1200
Power Supply	Custom made by MC Steel
Software	Win7 Pro 64bit

System Name	Gen2
Processor	Ryzen R9 5950X
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair Viii Hero Wifi
Cooling	Lian Li 360 Galahad
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 64gb @ 3600 Mhz CL14-13-13-24 1T @ 1.45V
Video Card(s)	Sapphire RX 6900 XT Nitro+
Storage	Seagate 520 1TB + Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + lots of HDD's
Display(s)	Samsung Odyssey G7
Case	Lian Li PC-O11D XL White
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Super Flower Leadex SE Platinum 1000W
Mouse	Xenics Titan GX Air Wireless
Keyboard	Kemove Snowfox 61
Software	Main: Gentoo+Arch + Windows 11
Benchmark Scores	Have tried but can't beat the leaders :)